|
|
Post by muttleysback on Sept 6, 2022 7:16:29 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by timberdoodle on Sept 6, 2022 9:57:25 GMT -5
Here's your coat, here's your hat what's the hurry....C YA
|
|
|
|
Post by Dutch on Sept 6, 2022 12:28:01 GMT -5
I don't know the answer, I don't think there is one.
|
|
|
|
Post by muttleysback on Sept 6, 2022 14:29:56 GMT -5
There may have been an answer at one time in the past, but not today.
|
|
|
|
Post by davet on Sept 6, 2022 17:32:04 GMT -5
I lay a big chunk......and I'm talking 75%-85% of this "let's go kill school kids" carp at the feet of the Press. Yes. The same press that brings you the nightly news...local or national.
Back in the day the local newscast was 30 minutes. That's it. 30 minutes...over....all done. The national news (Huntely\Brinkly) was 15 minutes. Yes....15 minutes of national news. Hey.....if you can't cram it into 15 minutes then you're in the wrong biz. Just tonight I watched the same report 3 times in a 30 minuet window
Today it's not "News Reporting". Today it's "Revenue....Revenue....and oh by the way.....Revenue". They are no longer "News reporting"....they are "News Shows".
Everyone knows the names of Dillon and Clebold. (Spelling is wrong....but I'm not going to look it up because if I look it up, it's a "hit" to that web site and adds to their Revenues.)
So....any kid who didn't do well in school, was picked on and his parents were carp for brains, see's that they can be famous via stealing Uncle Joe's A\R and killing a bunch of defenseless toddlers. So...that dumb POS makes his statement of "THERE....HOW'S THAT FOR BEING AKWARD!" And they know full well their name will be spread around the world....dead or alive.....AROUND THE WORLD!!
Remember "Streakers"? You know....get naked and run through the middle of a televised sports event? They stopped that via no more camera on the person and going to commercials until the idiot was removed. Guess what?...No more streakers! No more pandering to the sick mental idiots who did that.
I put it squarely on the for profit news. 24\7 news on ten or more channels. It's money, money, money and news "ethics" went out the window decades ago......with no critical look at what impact the news has upon the psyche of a dumb arse teenager.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2022 19:22:51 GMT -5
Ozzy just moved back to England. He said "everything is f%&king ridiculous in America" and he said "I don't want to get shot". Even he sees it
|
|
|
|
Post by muttleysback on Sept 7, 2022 5:35:19 GMT -5
Here in beautiful and semi-tropical downtown Saint Thomas we do not live in fear of gun violence. This is not ghetto Baltimore, ghetto Chicago, or even Times Square New York. This is rural, fly-over country, and our gun problems usually center around the availability of reloading components or possibly a waiting line at the local shooting range. So, color me sort of blind to that stuff. I don't see it here.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 7:12:07 GMT -5
American cities have a violence problem that doesn't seem to be an issue in small town America
|
|
|
|
Post by Loggy on Sept 7, 2022 7:54:50 GMT -5
Agree....the big cities certainly have sustained crime/violence but seems that the mass school shootings are primarily in the suburbs such as Uvalde, Columbine, Sandy Hook etc where populations are under 20K etc. Also, a very common thread to the mass school shooting is the shooter is active on social media(FB etc) posting-up pics of their guns, threats etc in addition many even livestream their murderous act. Also, like Dave posted....the news medias coverage is something the shooters also likely crave. The answer...well I see none as big $$ runs both the news media plus all the social media platforms. They're here to stay & only will get worse in feeding mass killers cravings for notoriety etc.
Only deterrent I see for protecting our school kids is hardening our schools big time incl metal dectectors etc plus enhancement of protection personnel. The day of the robo cops, retired(not recently trained) police officers protecting our kids doesnt cut it anymore imo. Most of the school shooters are suited up and heavily armed carrying AR type weapons where an unsuited 9 carrying school protection officer doesnt have a chance. A sad situation I know....gonna cost way too much but what are the alternatves?
|
|
|
|
Post by davet on Sept 7, 2022 8:15:00 GMT -5
Outlaw guns and what we will see is what just occurred in Canada...eh? www.nytimes.com/live/2022/09/05/world/canada-stabbing-attacks So now what?...Outlaw knives? I think it was the FBI who ran the "stats" on these school shooting idiots. IIRC most are late teens\early 20's and most are white males. There are a plethora of details on the type of person and their backgrounds, and they all....sort of have a lot in common. I'd search it but I'm not in the mood right now. Costly fortification of our schools.....make 'em like airports...is going to stop the school shootings. But it's not going to stop soft target shootings. (If I can victimize little children then I'll victimize the elderly at the WalMart or worse...nursing homes. I don't have answers to that..... except promote more concealed carry by "real people"? If you don't know who is gonna shoot back, these cowards may rethink their plans? |
|
|
|
Post by davet on Sept 7, 2022 8:16:29 GMT -5
Ozzy just moved back to England. He said "everything is f%&king ridiculous in America" and he said "I don't want to get shot". Even he sees it Well.....they think that's what he said. Nobody can be sure if he said that....or "I like strawberry ice cream." |
|
|
|
Post by dougl on Sept 7, 2022 8:26:07 GMT -5
Agree....the big cities certainly have sustained crime/violence but seems that the mass school shootings are primarily in the suburbs such as Uvalde, Columbine, Sandy Hook etc where populations are under 20K etc. Also, a very common thread to the mass school shooting is the shooter is active on social media(FB etc) posting-up pics of their guns, threats etc in addition many even livestream their murderous act. Also, like Dave posted....the news medias coverage is something the shooters also likely crave. The answer...well I see none as big $$ runs both the news media plus all the social media platforms. They're here to stay & only will get worse in feeding mass killers cravings for notoriety etc. Only deterrent I see for protecting our school kids is hardening our schools big time incl metal dectectors etc plus enhancement of protection personnel. The day of the robo cops, retired(not recently trained) police officers protecting our kids doesnt cut it anymore imo. Most of the school shooters are suited up and heavily armed carrying AR type weapons where an unsuited 9 carrying school protection officer doesnt have a chance. A sad situation I know....gonna cost way too much but what are the alternatves? Our schools have been locked down with metal detectors for years.You're not just getting in.On top of that.the county deputized a bunch of retired state troopers and we put two in each school.These guys are well trained and while they don't walk the halls with an AR,they have adequate firepower within a reasonable distance.I never feared sending my kids to school and I never feared getting shot.Then again,I don't and never would live in a Liberal hell hole. |
|
|
|
Post by Loggy on Sept 7, 2022 8:43:34 GMT -5
Agree....the big cities certainly have sustained crime/violence but seems that the mass school shootings are primarily in the suburbs such as Uvalde, Columbine, Sandy Hook etc where populations are under 20K etc. Also, a very common thread to the mass school shooting is the shooter is active on social media(FB etc) posting-up pics of their guns, threats etc in addition many even livestream their murderous act. Also, like Dave posted....the news medias coverage is something the shooters also likely crave. The answer...well I see none as big $$ runs both the news media plus all the social media platforms. They're here to stay & only will get worse in feeding mass killers cravings for notoriety etc. Only deterrent I see for protecting our school kids is hardening our schools big time incl metal dectectors etc plus enhancement of protection personnel. The day of the robo cops, retired(not recently trained) police officers protecting our kids doesnt cut it anymore imo. Most of the school shooters are suited up and heavily armed carrying AR type weapons where an unsuited 9 carrying school protection officer doesnt have a chance. A sad situation I know....gonna cost way too much but what are the alternatves? Our schools have been locked down with metal detectors for years.You're not just getting in.On top of that.the county deputized a bunch of retired state troopers and we put two in each school.These guys are well trained and while they don't walk the halls with an AR,they have adequate firepower within a reasonable distance.I never feared sending my kids to school and I never feared getting shot.Then again,I don't and never would live in a Liberal hell hole. Sounds like your schools are an exception to the norm. Glad they have all your schools protected with metal detectors plus 2 armed retired/trained State Police in every school. Should be a model for all school districts to follow! (12/30/21) Recent US government statistics indicate that about 2 percent of elementary schools in the US use metal detectors, 7 percent of middle schools and 10 percent of high schools. |
|
|
|
Post by muttleysback on Sept 7, 2022 10:06:17 GMT -5
Once again, I have to wonder why these things just didn't happen back when nearly every pickup truck in the high school parking lot had a gun rack, had at least a deer rifle or shotgun hanging in it, and was unlocked. About that time most schools got rid of their rifle teams, which of course made us a lot safer, I guess. Maybe we had better gun control back in the 1970s.  |
|
|
|
Post by Dutch on Sept 7, 2022 11:20:24 GMT -5
Once again, I have to wonder why these things just didn't happen back when nearly every pickup truck in the high school parking lot had a gun rack, had at least a deer rifle or shotgun hanging in it, and was unlocked. About that time most schools got rid of their rifle teams, which of course made us a lot safer, I guess. Maybe we had better gun control back in the 1970s. It's the deterioration of the family and also our morals. Many will disagree, but most of us were raised in the church, and raised to know that if we did wrong, our parents found out and we were disciplined. People laughed at Hillary about her book, It takes a village, but that's EXACTLY how I was raised. The village watched out for bad behavior. The village supported out teachers and principals when we acted up. Our inner cities have NONE of this, and our small towns are seeing way less of it these days |
|
|
|
Post by Loggy on Sept 7, 2022 15:44:24 GMT -5
Once again, I have to wonder why these things just didn't happen back when nearly every pickup truck in the high school parking lot had a gun rack, had at least a deer rifle or shotgun hanging in it, and was unlocked. About that time most schools got rid of their rifle teams, which of course made us a lot safer, I guess. Maybe we had better gun control back in the 1970s. It's the deterioration of the family and also our morals. Many will disagree, but most of us were raised in the church, and raised to know that if we did wrong, our parents found out and we were disciplined. So very true Dutch!! Early on we raised our kids in church. Both my kids at age 3&4 attended Christian Preschool 4 days a week at my church a 2-year Christian based program. An excellent foundation before entering the Public School system. Now my grandkids when hitting 3&4 same thing Christian Preschool 4 days a week. In addition....they all attend Sunday School during our worship service. I'm so thankful that my kids followed in raising their children what the Mrs & I saw as an important part of their upbringing. IMO......we need so much more of this today. |
|
|
|
Post by davet on Sept 7, 2022 16:34:16 GMT -5
Unmonitored social media. Unmonitored by the parents.
|
|
|
|
Post by Dutch on Sept 7, 2022 16:40:37 GMT -5
My nieces go to a Christian school here. Very few discipline problems. Involved parents and kids who are taught right from wrong.
One of my co workers is a teacher at a local Christian school. We had a discussion the other night and he confirmed how involved parents are and how well behaved kids are there.
The public schools don't come close.
My cousin retired from education. Had no control of her classroom anymore. This was in one of the top school districts in our county, with high salary parents. Not inner city.
You decide what ails our country.
|
|
|
|
Post by Dutch on Sept 7, 2022 16:42:17 GMT -5
And those nieces were ENCOURAGED to go deer hunting last year, with family. When they got back, they were ENCOURAGED to tell their hunting tales, by both teachers and administrators.
Refreshing
|
|
|
|
Post by muttleysback on Sept 7, 2022 17:42:26 GMT -5
replying to part of Dutch's post:
"My cousin retired from education. Had no control of her classroom anymore. This was in one of the top school districts in our county, with high salary parents. Not inner city."
When I started teaching in December of 1963, things were really different. I enjoyed the job then, but over my thirty years things changed. As the job is today, you couldn't pay me enough to do it. I would be in some other profession.
I never taught in an inner city school, so I have no idea what that is like. I only know what I read in the papers and see on the news, but it doesn't look like anything I would want to do. With those wonderful salaries, why do we have a shortage of teachers? I think I may have a clue.
|
|
|
|
Post by davet on Sept 7, 2022 17:54:17 GMT -5
You cannot compare public schools to Christian schools. Parents choose to send their children to Christian schools…and Christian schools who don’t want a given student will find ways to “let that student leave.” AKA….kick ‘em out.
Parents can’t “choose” to not send their kids to public…unless they homeschool or cyber school. And for the most part, a good parent who homeschools is tough to find. And cyber schooling can be very spotty on measurable success.
|
|
|
|
Post by Loggy on Sept 7, 2022 17:57:14 GMT -5
Youngest Daughter's been teaching 13 years in a public Middle High School(grades 6-8). She says there are minimal disipline issues in her school. They have some top shelf admin who seem very effective in keeping order. Daughter has directed the schools musical for 10 years & she constantly praises the kids as far as their creativity, dedication & hard work. Guess it all depends on each schools overall make-up, admin, location etc. Her school is not center city but in a greater York suburb. She loves her job calling it a dream come true.
|
|
|
|
Post by davet on Sept 7, 2022 18:06:10 GMT -5
My wife retired early from teaching. We did the math (as she was hired later in life & wasn’t going to hit that 30yr teaching mark.)
So for what she was giving up in pension…was never worth the time spent with grandchildren.
Plus then, as now, the continual decline of school board’s understanding of what teachers actually do in their chosen profession….yes, profession. Teachers when she retired were more ridiculed as having “cushy jobs” with “way to much” time off and union protection.
Does the profession have union issues? Sure. Is Teaching a “golden egg” job that is eagerly sought after? Well…if so then why the shortages?
|
|
|
|
Post by Dutch on Sept 7, 2022 19:20:35 GMT -5
Does the profession have union issues? Sure. Is Teaching a “golden egg” job that is eagerly sought after? Well…if so then why the shortages? Called a contractor today in Potter county, won't consider my project for 10 months. Can't find help. |
|
|
|
Post by Loggy on Sept 8, 2022 6:37:27 GMT -5
RE teacher shortages.....The so called “teacher pay penalty,” the reality that teachers are paid less than their non-teacher college-educated counterparts, has gotten worse over time is coming to fruition.. A new study from the Economic Policy Institute, an independent nonprofit think tank, found that the weekly wages of teachers have remained relatively flat for nearly three decades. Now with PA & most States eliminating their traditional State funded defined benefit plans along with significant reduction of health insurance benefits.... an obvious teacher shortage must happen especially in a healthy worker driven economy which we're now experiencing.
|
|
