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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 8:48:45 GMT -5
I always avoided shooting my black powder guns in the heat of summer because I was taught that the temperature differences drastically change the pressure curve, and things show up on the target differently as a result. Point of impact, group size, and even amounts of fouling are supposed to be affected.
I have a 54cal flinter recently fitted with a Rice barrel, that I'd like to try out with different granulations, and even different brands of black powder, Goex, Swiss, and Elephant, all of which I have on hand. Does anyone here have experience in this area? Primarily want to figure out if I'll be wasting powder and time att 90-95 degrees as opposed to temps in the 30's.
Appreciate any help or advice on this, thanks.
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Post by davet on Aug 12, 2020 10:27:37 GMT -5
Watch this guy on YouTube. It appears Swiss is a superior BP.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 5:12:51 GMT -5
Thanks davet, I didn't expect the video to answer my querries, but it did. It would appear that accuracy, (that mans smoothbore was a very respectable shooter), doesn't suffer under a higher temp. The video has me thinking the best powder for my 54 cal will surface when I discover which of the three powders is the least temperature sensitive while retaining acceptable accuracy. I found myself surprised the Goex maintained point of impact over several charge weights!
I'll be going ahead with my range tests. Thanks for the help.
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Post by davet on Aug 13, 2020 6:43:26 GMT -5
Thanks davet, I didn't expect the video to answer my querries, but it did. It would appear that accuracy, (that mans smoothbore was a very respectable shooter), doesn't suffer under a higher temp. The video has me thinking the best powder for my 54 cal will surface when I discover which of the three powders is the least temperature sensitive while retaining acceptable accuracy. I found myself surprised the Goex maintained point of impact over several charge weights! I'll be going ahead with my range tests. Thanks for the help. Post pic's of target.....or you can do what I do and just exgerrate my ten shot one hole groups at 500 yards from my flintlock pistol....off hand. Yeah!! Honest!! It could have happened! |
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Post by Dutch on Aug 13, 2020 7:13:28 GMT -5
Thanks davet, I didn't expect the video to answer my querries, but it did. It would appear that accuracy, (that mans smoothbore was a very respectable shooter), doesn't suffer under a higher temp. The video has me thinking the best powder for my 54 cal will surface when I discover which of the three powders is the least temperature sensitive while retaining acceptable accuracy. I found myself surprised the Goex maintained point of impact over several charge weights! I'll be going ahead with my range tests. Thanks for the help. Post pic's of target.....or you can do what I do and just exgerrate my ten shot one hole groups at 500 yards from my flintlock pistol....off hand. Yeah!! Honest!! It could have happened! I want to see this 10 shot, one hole group at 500 yards, and NONE of your fuzzy pics either! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 8:06:01 GMT -5
Wow Dutch! Great shooting!
That sure beats my short 50 yard shot at that deer in my avatar.
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Post by westfieldjoe on Aug 13, 2020 8:10:30 GMT -5
I'll bet if he can do it, it wont have anything to do with the powder.
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Post by davet on Aug 13, 2020 8:21:31 GMT -5
See it? See it? It's right on that ridge out there.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 16:31:34 GMT -5
I really love this forum! having loads of fun here. (also just discovered the "like" button)
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Post by Dutch on Aug 14, 2020 13:32:09 GMT -5
I really love this forum! having loads of fun here. (also just discovered the "like" button) Web, don't use that button too often, some people on here get swelled heads! |
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Post by Dutch on Aug 14, 2020 13:33:20 GMT -5
See it? See it? It's right on that ridge out there. That's probably the clearest pic you ever posted. Your wife take that one? 🤣 |
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Post by davet on Aug 14, 2020 16:13:11 GMT -5
See it? See it? It's right on that ridge out there. That's probably the clearest pic you ever posted. Your wife take that one? 🤣 Why yes.....err...no, I took that. Honest! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 19:39:07 GMT -5
Thanks davet, I didn't expect the video to answer my querries, but it did. It would appear that accuracy, (that mans smoothbore was a very respectable shooter), doesn't suffer under a higher temp. The video has me thinking the best powder for my 54 cal will surface when I discover which of the three powders is the least temperature sensitive while retaining acceptable accuracy. I found myself surprised the Goex maintained point of impact over several charge weights! I'll be going ahead with my range tests. Thanks for the help. Post pic's of target.....or you can do what I do and just exgerrate my ten shot one hole groups at 500 yards from my flintlock pistol....off hand. Yeah!! Honest!! It could have happened! Got over to the range with the 54 and Swiss powders, both FFG and FFFG, and it LOVES both! Three shot groups, swabbing with 91% alcohol between shots, and the 80 gr FFG was 4" high, 1 1/2" group. Same target, 70 FFG was 2 3/4" high, and one inch group. Same target again, 70 grs FFFG, 2 1/2" high, 3/4" group. Used .535" ball(home cast), .015" OxYoke Wonder Lubed patch. Tried posting the picture of the nine shot group with three pwder charges, but it claimed too large a file? ![]() One photo? If it doesn't show, my lack of computer savy definately is....... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 19:44:30 GMT -5
Should have mentioned, the peep sight is bottomed out, so I made a new front blade sight with materials I obtained earlier from Track of the Wolf, so with the taller sight now installed I'll be back to the club on Monday to fine tune my zero. Club has matches running al weekend, and with the social distancing thing going on, I won't get a bench.
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Post by Dutch on Aug 14, 2020 21:07:29 GMT -5
Post pic's of target.....or you can do what I do and just exgerrate my ten shot one hole groups at 500 yards from my flintlock pistol....off hand. Yeah!! Honest!! It could have happened! Got over to the range with the 54 and Swiss powders, both FFG and FFFG, and it LOVES both! Three shot groups, swabbing with 91% alcohol between shots, and the 80 gr FFG was 4" high, 1 1/2" group. Same target, 70 FFG was 2 3/4" high, and one inch group. Same target again, 70 grs FFFG, 2 1/2" high, 3/4" group. Used .535" ball(home cast), .015" OxYoke Wonder Lubed patch. Tried posting the picture of the nine shot group with three pwder charges, but it claimed too large a file? ![]() One photo? If it doesn't show, my lack of computer savy definately is....... Great, just great. Now we have guys making outlandish claims, then saying, "I can't post the pics". Yeah right. 😂 Web, the only way I have found for me to post pics on here is to message a pic to myself, then save that pic on my phone. When it goes thru the text process, it apparently compacts the file so it can be attached here |
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Post by davet on Aug 15, 2020 7:19:54 GMT -5
I dunno if you have a Mac or a Windows based computer. I have a Mac and I open all my JPEG photos using "Preview." Preview has some editing tools that will allow you to change the size of the JPEG and reduce it's file size with no real degradation of the pic. The Preview will change the file size from like 1.6 MB to 114 K or less.
I also upload my photos to IMGUR web site....then link them to this web site.
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Post by davet on Aug 15, 2020 10:58:17 GMT -5
Here's the front sight that I shaped from a TOTW brass blank. Both my front and rear sight are actually to high and need filed down. I just need to file each down the same amount so the gun still shoots to POA. I'll get to it on a rainy day.  |
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Aug 15, 2020 11:28:25 GMT -5
Think you got it on backwards . The slope goes to the rear to help pick up light. At lease that's what I was always taught. Attachment DeletedHere's the front sight that I shaped from a TOTW brass blank. Both my front and rear sight are actually to high and need filed down. I just need to file each down the same amount so the gun still shoots to POA. I'll get to it on a rainy day. |
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Post by davet on Aug 15, 2020 13:51:36 GMT -5
Think you got it on backwards . The slope goes to the rear to help pick up light. At lease that's what I was always taught. Not if your attempting to stay as close to an original Leman build as possible. Tennessee Vally Muzzleloading  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 16:41:26 GMT -5
That is the same way my Lyman GPR sight came from the factory, and the same way I made the new front sight for the Rice barrel.
The way I see it, these flintlocks are the original full auto assault rifles. You load it, and you can completely empty the rifle with just one squeeze of the trigger! That IS the description of full auto, right? And flintlocks were the military weapon of choice.......
With all that technology in our hands, how can you even consider wanting to turn the front sight the wrong way like they do on those new guns? If it ain't broke don't fix it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 16:48:54 GMT -5
Here's the front sight that I shaped from a TOTW brass blank. Both my front and rear sight are actually to high and need filed down. I just need to file each down the same amount so the gun still shoots to POA. I'll get to it on a rainy day. Nice job on that sight davet. |
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Post by Loggy on Aug 16, 2020 11:41:47 GMT -5
Neat video Dave!!
I know when I switched from Goex to Swiss I backed my loads off 10-15% plus using about half as many cleaning patches.
Dave....did you ever get some Swiss??
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Post by Loggy on Aug 16, 2020 11:47:20 GMT -5
I always avoided shooting my black powder guns in the heat of summer because I was taught that the temperature differences drastically change the pressure curve, and things show up on the target differently as a result. Point of impact, group size, and even amounts of fouling are supposed to be affected. I have a 54cal flinter recently fitted with a Rice barrel, that I'd like to try out with different granulations, and even different brands of black powder, Goex, Swiss, and Elephant, all of which I have on hand. Does anyone here have experience in this area? Primarily want to figure out if I'll be wasting powder and time att 90-95 degrees as opposed to temps in the 30's. Appreciate any help or advice on this, thanks. Web....I rarely shoot in extreme heat or cold mainly due to my comfort but when did I didn't see any noticeable difference. I do know with an inline w/sabots...extremely hot conditions can pay havoc on a sabot pending their polymer formulation. I've had some sabots blow from heat which when such happens lucky to hit the broad side of a barn door. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 10:50:59 GMT -5
Web....I rarely shoot in extreme heat or cold mainly due to my comfort but when did I didn't see any noticeable difference. I do know with an inline w/sabots...extremely hot conditions can pay havoc on a sabot pending their polymer formulation. I've had some sabots blow from heat which when such happens lucky to hit the broad side of a barn door. Once again you've come up with answers to my questions with black powder Loggy! I appreciate everyone pitching in with this, and wanted to thank you for being the one who turned me onto Swiss powder in the first place a few months back. It's everything you said it is, and the only thing you said you did which I haven't done was give away my Goex. Figure I'll hold onto that stuff in case things get real scarce again. I owe you one once again my friend! |
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Post by davet on Aug 18, 2020 14:41:42 GMT -5
Neat video Dave!! I know when I switched from Goex to Swiss I backed my loads off 10-15% plus using about half as many cleaning patches. Dave....did you ever get some Swiss?? Didn't pick up Swiss yet.....but I will get to it. |
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