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Post by Loggy on Feb 11, 2020 7:47:42 GMT -5
Considering a few bullets to use in my new 6.5 CM. Anyone have any experience with the Hornady ELD-X bullet?? Sorta remember Dutch mentioning this but could be mistaken.
Also, any experiences with Federal Fusion & Nosler Accubond bullets??
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Post by dougell on Feb 11, 2020 9:42:44 GMT -5
I never used fusions but have killed a boatload of deer with interbonds and accubonds with .243,.308 and 300wsm.People claim you don't need a premium bullet for deer.While that's true,I'd had far more consistent terminal performance with bonded bullets and Barnes ttsx.I'd try some fusion and some accubonds and use whichever shot the best.
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Post by davet on Feb 11, 2020 10:37:31 GMT -5
I've used the Hornady ELD Match for long range target shooting out to 1,000 yards. A wicked accurate bullet!!!
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Post by Dutch on Feb 11, 2020 11:11:10 GMT -5
The ELD X is a very accurate bullet.
The last buck I shot, it did not exit, two shots.
Point blank finishing shot in the back of the neck, bullet exploded into fragments.
I switched to the Barnes 120 TTSX. No experience with kills. Shoots well tho
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Post by Dutch on Feb 11, 2020 11:16:05 GMT -5
 ELD X Group, 100 yds. Handloads |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 12:11:23 GMT -5
May I suggest the Hornady Interbond?
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Post by ridgecommander on Feb 11, 2020 13:14:36 GMT -5
For deer sized game, I see little need for premium bullets in calibers above 243. I pretty much just use Federal Fusions these days in all of my deer rifles and they shoot well.
I want my bullet to make two holes, but use up most of its energy within the animal, not the ground. Premium bullets will hold together great, but that is only an advantage on larger and/or heavier boned game.
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Post by dougell on Feb 11, 2020 16:20:06 GMT -5
I disagree.Besides,fusions are bonded bullets and very similar to accubonds.
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Post by ridgecommander on Feb 11, 2020 16:45:20 GMT -5
I disagree.Besides,fusions are bonded bullets and very similar to accubonds. They are bonded but don't have the premium cost and are designed to deliver most of their energy within the animal with a thin jacket. The Accubonds have a thick walled jacket at the base. Fusion cross section.  Accubond cross section.  |
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Post by dougell on Feb 11, 2020 17:32:42 GMT -5
Accubonds mushroom exactly like that,which is what you want.Very rarely does a deer take a step after being hit with one.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Feb 11, 2020 17:37:37 GMT -5
May I suggest the Hornady Interbond? Yes you may, and I agree.😀 |
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Post by ridgecommander on Feb 11, 2020 17:55:10 GMT -5
Accubonds mushroom exactly like that,which is what you want.Very rarely does a deer take a step after being hit with one. Yes. Accubonds are designed to have a more controlled expansion, because of the thicker jacket, and usually wont expand as much as a Fusion. I want a bullet that expands rapidly, retains most of its weight, and just barely passes through a deer. I want most of the energy in the deer, not the ground. I am not doubting the performance of premium bullets on deer. I am just explaining why I feel premium bullets on deer sized game are over hyped and not needed. If you want to shoot them. Have at it. If someone wants some options and opinions, they are out there too. If someone is using 223, 22/250, 240 Weatherbys and the like for deer, premium bullets would be a better choice. |
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Post by dougell on Feb 11, 2020 17:57:34 GMT -5
The deer you shoot with a fusion isn't dying any faster than one shot with an accubond.The deer won't notice one bit of difference.Once an organ doesn't work,it doesn't work and the job is done.
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Post by Loggy on Feb 11, 2020 18:20:40 GMT -5
ELD X Group, 100 yds. Handloads  Great groups there Dutch!! |
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Post by turkeykiller on Feb 11, 2020 18:38:19 GMT -5
Technology is truly amazin. The advancement in bullets over the years is an example. It does cause one to wonder how the ole' timers managed to dispatch a deer or bear in Penn's woods with a 30-30 flat nosed lead bullet.
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Post by Loggy on Feb 11, 2020 18:52:12 GMT -5
Technology is truly amazin. The advancement in bullets over the years is an example. It does cause one to wonder how the ole' timers managed to dispatch a deer or bear in Penn's woods with a 30-30 flat nosed lead bullet. I think technology has had lil impact inside the 100 yard line but it has certainly opened up many new longer range hunting opportunities. |
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Post by Loggy on Feb 11, 2020 19:22:42 GMT -5
I never used fusions but have killed a boatload of deer with interbonds and accubonds with .243,.308 and 300wsm.People claim you don't need a premium bullet for deer.While that's true,I'd had far more consistent terminal performance with bonded bullets and Barnes ttsx.I'd try some fusion and some accubonds and use whichever shot the best. So Doug in your killing of "a boatload of deer" my guess which is hundreds of deer killed(assuming not a canoe lol) you never experienced the Accubond producing a pencil size hole on a double lung hit but always had them "drop in their tacks(or closely therein)" with outstanding mushrooming experience??? I've been reading quite a few articles that the Accubond bullet produced minimal expansion other than in top end high velocities?? |
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Post by Dutch on Feb 11, 2020 19:27:27 GMT -5
I'm using copper bullets because I care about the environment and eagles. And maybe I'll get 2 holes
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 19:27:59 GMT -5
I thought your 6.5 mm was a 6.5 X 55, Loggy. Isn't that the case? You have a creedmoor now?
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Post by Dutch on Feb 11, 2020 19:29:28 GMT -5
ELD X Group, 100 yds. Handloads Great groups there Dutch!! The first group I shot with the Creed was 5/16th. |
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Post by Dutch on Feb 11, 2020 19:30:18 GMT -5
I thought your 6.5 mm was a 6.5 X 55, Loggy. Isn't that the case? You have a creedmore now? Yep, he got himself one |
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Post by Loggy on Feb 11, 2020 19:31:42 GMT -5
I thought your 6.5 mm was a 6.5 X 55, Loggy. Isn't that the case? You have a creedmore now? Yep Mutt.....my Swede now has a Brother for when the going gets tuff!!  My New 6.5 CM |
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Post by dougell on Feb 12, 2020 8:45:52 GMT -5
I never used fusions but have killed a boatload of deer with interbonds and accubonds with .243,.308 and 300wsm.People claim you don't need a premium bullet for deer.While that's true,I'd had far more consistent terminal performance with bonded bullets and Barnes ttsx.I'd try some fusion and some accubonds and use whichever shot the best. So Doug in your killing of "a boatload of deer" my guess which is hundreds of deer killed(assuming not a canoe lol) you never experienced the Accubond producing a pencil size hole on a double lung hit but always had them "drop in their tacks(or closely therein)" with outstanding mushrooming experience??? I've been reading quite a few articles that the Accubond bullet produced minimal expansion other than in top end high velocities?? If you doubt the numbers,I have the pictures to back them up.We get a lot tags and we kill a lot of deer every year with both bows and rifles.I've been using accubonds for about 12 years in my rifles and Barnes ttsx in my sons for 7 years.This year we killed 7 deer with rifles between the two of us and that's about average.Some years we kill more and some less but I'd take a pretty good educated guess and say we've killed about 65 deer with those bullets on the conservative side.To answer you question,no I've never had either bullet not expand fully and many of those deer were shot with low velocity reduced loads in my son's .308 for the first couple of years he used that rifle.The vast majority of deer drop on the spot or go down within a few feet.I've only ever had to track one and still can't figure that one out.I hit her broadside right through the lungs and she went over 100 yards.The bullet did it's job as her lungs were destroyed and there was an exit wound that I could put my fist through.Sometimes things happen that you just can't explain.We've actually killed 4 with 55gr ttsx's in a .223 they all dropped on the spot,although one did drop and then crawl for about 30 yards or so.The accubonds give us an exit wound between the size of a .50 cent piece and your fist.The ttsx's always leave a quarter size exit wound every time but the chest cavity is always mush.Out of all those deer,I've only ever recovered two bullets and they performed exactly as advertised.I did a mercy killing on a doe one time with a .308 and 165gr accubond.The deer was facing directly away from me and I smashed it's pelvic bone and found the bullet perfectly mushroomed under the skin on it's chest,just under it's neck.I normally would't take that shot but it was a wounded deer and it was the only shot I was gonna get.When my son was 11,he shot a big doe facing him head on at exactly 186 yards.He was using a .308 with a 130gr ttsx that was screaming.The bullet smashed it's front shoulder and lodged under the skin right next to the tail.I still have both of those bullets.If I remember,I'll take a picture tonight.Here's a picture of a bear that was shot in the front of the chest with a 180gr accubond from a 300 wsm.As you can see,they aren't a bullet that doesn't expand.Blow up the picture and you can see what I mean.  |
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Post by rem700 on Feb 12, 2020 15:40:54 GMT -5
 re ya go loggy these will work_ |
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Post by Loggy on Feb 12, 2020 17:27:58 GMT -5
So Doug in your killing of "a boatload of deer" my guess which is hundreds of deer killed(assuming not a canoe lol) you never experienced the Accubond producing a pencil size hole on a double lung hit but always had them "drop in their tacks(or closely therein)" with outstanding mushrooming experience??? I've been reading quite a few articles that the Accubond bullet produced minimal expansion other than in top end high velocities?? If you doubt the numbers,I have the pictures to back them up.We get a lot tags and we kill a lot of deer every year with both bows and rifles.I've been using accubonds for about 12 years in my rifles and Barnes ttsx in my sons for 7 years.This year we killed 7 deer with rifles between the two of us and that's about average.Some years we kill more and some less but I'd take a pretty good educated guess and say we've killed about 65 deer with those bullets on the conservative side.To answer you question,no I've never had either bullet not expand fully and many of those deer were shot with low velocity reduced loads in my son's .308 for the first couple of years he used that rifle.The vast majority of deer drop on the spot or go down within a few feet.I've only ever had to track one and still can't figure that one out.I hit her broadside right through the lungs and she went over 100 yards.The bullet did it's job as her lungs were destroyed and there was an exit wound that I could put my fist through.Sometimes things happen that you just can't explain.We've actually killed 4 with 55gr ttsx's in a .223 they all dropped on the spot,although one did drop and then crawl for about 30 yards or so.The accubonds give us an exit wound between the size of a .50 cent piece and your fist.The ttsx's always leave a quarter size exit wound every time but the chest cavity is always mush.Out of all those deer,I've only ever recovered two bullets and they performed exactly as advertised.I did a mercy killing on a doe one time with a .308 and 165gr accubond.The deer was facing directly away from me and I smashed it's pelvic bone and found the bullet perfectly mushroomed under the skin on it's chest,just under it's neck.I normally would't take that shot but it was a wounded deer and it was the only shot I was gonna get.When my son was 11,he shot a big doe facing him head on at exactly 186 yards.He was using a .308 with a 130gr ttsx that was screaming.The bullet smashed it's front shoulder and lodged under the skin right next to the tail.I still have both of those bullets.If I remember,I'll take a picture tonight.Here's a picture of a bear that was shot in the front of the chest with a 180gr accubond from a 300 wsm.As you can see,they aren't a bullet that doesn't expand.Blow up the picture and you can see what I mean. Just jibing Doug about the "boat of deer"!!  I know you have certainly killed your share between you & your son. I'm pretty close to ordering the factory loaded Federal Premium 140 grain Nosler Accubond bullets. My first impression of the Nosler Accubond was a lil off but the more ive been reading plus hearing your experience I think that bullet will meet my expectations!! Thanks Doug for your input!! |
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I know you have certainly killed your share between you & your son. I'm pretty close to ordering the factory loaded Federal Premium 140 grain Nosler Accubond bullets. My first impression of the Nosler Accubond was a lil off but the more ive been reading plus hearing your experience I think that bullet will meet my expectations!! Thanks Doug for your input!!