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Post by willyp on Feb 1, 2019 6:39:17 GMT -5
Sierra ? Speer ? Hornady ? I know all about Barnes and Noslers but I want to know what of these 3 will hold together best at maximum velocity hitting a deer !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 7:07:50 GMT -5
If you can get them, willy, the Hornady Interbond bullets are pretty tough. They are a bonded core bullet. Midway lists them as out of production. I have had mixed results with Speer grand slam bullets, and would not recommend them. Sierra game king boattails are certainly tough enough for anything you will be hunting in PA. I have lots of photos of bullets recovered from game animals, and the Sierra game king and Hornady interbond have both done the job. www.midwayusa.com/product/1010478530/hornady-interbond-bullets-bonded-boat-tail
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Post by ridgecommander on Feb 1, 2019 7:27:15 GMT -5
Depends on the specific bullet from each brand, Willy. Do you have specifics you were thinking about?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 7:39:32 GMT -5
Sierra ? Speer ? Hornady ? I know all about Barnes and Noslers but I want to know what of these 3 will hold together best at maximum velocity hitting a deer ! Sierra ? Speer ? Hornady ?
I'd use these three to target practice and load a Nosler partition for hunting, my choice but in my experience the Nosler is tops!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 8:47:55 GMT -5
Once again, the choice of bullet depends upon what you will be hunting with it. I also swear by Nosler partitions, but a bullet that tough is not necessary for deer sized animals.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 8:49:43 GMT -5
The difference between a nosler partition (left) and a speer grand slam (right). Note how the speer core has separated from the jacket.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 8:51:32 GMT -5
A Hornady interbond:
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Feb 1, 2019 9:08:42 GMT -5
I'm with Muttley on this one, and hope they haven't completely done away with the inter bond. I used the Hornady interbond 100 gr round nose in my 243, can only ever recall once needing to shoot a deer twice, and that need was on me. I also use the interbond in my son's 308, 165gr SP and in my 308, 180gr RN. and never had any problems with bullet performance out of either gun.
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Post by Dutch on Feb 1, 2019 9:13:40 GMT -5
I don't want my bullets to be recovered, I want two holes, one in, one out.
Put a finishing shot on my buck this year, back of the neck. Point blank, exploded inside into little fragments. Taxidermist was skinning it out and digging around and said, Hornady wouldn't be to happy with that performance.
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Post by dougell on Feb 1, 2019 9:15:21 GMT -5
I used the 90 gr accubonds one year with my son's .243.They performed well but not as good as an 89gr ttsx.Believe it or not,the 95gr Nosler ballistic tip is actually made with a thicker jacket than nornal and designed to hold together better than most other calibers.The 85gr tsx and 80gr ttsx are the ticket for the .243.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Feb 1, 2019 9:21:40 GMT -5
did a little looking on the Hornady web site. Looks like the interbond is on it's way out, being replaced with the interlock.
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Post by dennyf on Feb 1, 2019 9:31:39 GMT -5
I'd have to agree with mutt on the subject of Nosler Partitions on deer, for the most part? The only one I've ever killed a deer with, was the then-new .224 60gr bullet, that I loaded in a 22-250.
Read lots of reports on the webs back then, that guys couldn't get that bullet to shoot well in that cartridge and in 223s. But it was designed to shoot well in twists commonly found in both chamberings. Took me a bit of experimenting, but in short order found a load that was very accurate in my rifle. Dropped a good sized doe that year at maybe 65 yards, one shot. Took out both shoulders and dumped her on the spot.
As for other cartridges, my huntin' bud tried the Partition in his 25-06, probably in the mid 1970s?
Shot a buck on opening day, maybe at a hundred yards or less and knocked it down. Within seconds it got back up and made it several hundred yards down the ridge, where someone else killed it. Upon examination, the Partition had gone right through the buck's chest. Exit hole was still the same size as the entrance hole, so it never expanded at all.
Another guy I know, was down in Alabama one year. Shot at a running doe, killed it and one just beyond it. 7mm Rem Mag with a Partition load. The managed land they were hunting on, made him pay a "fine" for killing two doe, when he'd only gotten one doe permit.
If I was hunting Elk with my 25-06, then I'd probably opt for a Partition load, but I've been killing deer in PA with that cartridge and 100gr Nosler Ballistic Tips, for over two decades. All but two were one and done, several well past 350 yards. As for 6mm/243 type stuff, my buddy killed several deer with a 6mm Rem and a 95gr Btip.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 9:40:32 GMT -5
I don't want my bullets to be recovered, I want two holes, one in, one out. Put a finishing shot on my buck this year, back of the neck. Point blank, exploded inside into little fragments. Taxidermist was skinning it out and digging around and said, Hornady wouldn't be to happy with that performance. You and Doug feel the same way. I don't agree with you, but then I have always felt that an expanded bullet does more damage than one that does not. I will use a tough bullet where needed, such as using solids on Cape Buffalo or larger. It does not take much to kill the average whitetail deer, buck or doe. The speer grand slam bullet in the photo above was recovered from a dead whitetail buck. It failed completely and still killed the deer.
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Post by ridgecommander on Feb 1, 2019 10:10:33 GMT -5
Actually, the ideal bullet always exists but expands to its maximum size just before exiting. It comes down to the size of the game, the average shot distance, and the particular bullet.
As to which bullet is best, we still have to know what specific bullet in each of the brands he is asking about before a answer that means anything can be relayed on.
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Post by Dutch on Feb 1, 2019 11:04:35 GMT -5
Sierra ? Speer ? Hornady ? I know all about Barnes and Noslers but I want to know what of these 3 will hold together best at maximum velocity hitting a deer ! I have always used Sierra, but they were coming out of a 30-06 and I always shoulder shot them. Boom, down. Shoulder shot one with the 260, with Sierra's, boom, down. Last two with Sierra and Hornady never exited, both ran, but died. 260 and 6.5 Creedmoor Used Nosler Partition 95 grains in a 243 and killed 2 deer, boom, flop
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 11:16:29 GMT -5
I don't want my bullets to be recovered, I want two holes, one in, one out. Put a finishing shot on my buck this year, back of the neck. Point blank, exploded inside into little fragments. Taxidermist was skinning it out and digging around and said, Hornady wouldn't be to happy with that performance. Me too Dutch. All my partitions have performed that way. Mutt, I know you understand the Nosler partition design and not calling on the in/out like a pencil, but if true that was a design flaw. The only partition I ever recovered was from a twig deflection that had the bullet enter sideways. I have killed many deer and in & out with massive tissue destruction even with my .257 Bob 120 grainer's. If there is a better bullet than a Nosler partition, I never heard of it.
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Post by dougell on Feb 1, 2019 14:13:15 GMT -5
Usually the small exit wound with a partition in because it shed the from half and left the core to exit.A small exit does not mean it didn't expand.
I want an exit wound 100% of the time for two reasons.First,two holes gives you more blood,if needed.Second,a bullet that penetrated all the way,hits more vitals.I do not subscribe to the theory of dumping all of a bullet's energy into an animal.Any bullet that expands at all will cease the function of said organ.An organ that no longer functions has the same results whether it's a 2" hole or if it's blown to pieces.I see a lot of deer die every year,probably a lot more than most people do.Terminal performance has always intrigued me so Every deer we kill gets a complete autopsy.I've killed my share with cup and core bullets of varying weights and velocities and plenty more with premium bonded bullets and solid copper barnes bullets.I've recovered a total of two premium bullets out of dozens of bullets and never had such consistent instant kills as I have with accubonds and Barnes ttsx'S.Occasionally,you'll get the odd situation that can't be explained and a deer will run further than expected but that's just life.I can say that my son and I killed 7 deer this year with 150 ttsx's out of .308's.Every deer was shot from 30 yards to close to 200.Every single one dropped like it was pole axed except one.That was a doe I hit a touch back in the liver.I thought the hit was better than it was,went after it immediately and found it piled up not 50 yards away.The exit wound was the size of my thumb but the liver was shredded.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 14:29:32 GMT -5
Hey, guys. Now here is a question we can debate for years, and it is just as important. How many angels can dance on the head of a common straight pin?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 17:51:10 GMT -5
Hey, guys. Now here is a question we can debate for years, and it is just as important. How many angels can dance on the head of a common straight pin? <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 26.720000000000027px; height: 2.9399999999999977px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_67947041" scrolling="no" width="26.720000000000027" height="2.9399999999999977"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 26.72px; height: 2.94px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1273px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_44867283" scrolling="no" width="26.720000000000027" height="2.9399999999999977"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 26.72px; height: 2.94px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 88px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_70193540" scrolling="no" width="26.720000000000027" height="2.9399999999999977"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 26.72px; height: 2.94px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1273px; top: 88px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_84117322" scrolling="no" width="26.720000000000027" height="2.9399999999999977"></iframe> Angels? What else does Mr Mutt believe it? (I know where you going Aristotle)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 21:28:29 GMT -5
Sierra Gamekings in 243 are not known to be tough. Which is why I use them. I don't worry about exit wounds. I like bullets that dump their energy inside the animal and I love bullets that shed some weight.
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Post by dougell on Feb 4, 2019 17:36:35 GMT -5
Sierra Gamekings in 243 are not known to be tough. Which is why I use them. I don't worry about exit wounds. I like bullets that dump their energy inside the animal and I love bullets that shed some weight. I like my women to shed weight,not my bullets.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 17:49:47 GMT -5
Cool! As far as I'm concerned I don't even need to recover a bullet. Just fragments suits me.
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Post by turkeykiller on Feb 4, 2019 18:44:13 GMT -5
Cool! As far as I'm concerned I don't even need to recover a bullet. Just fragments suits me. They are hard on the teeth
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 19:01:04 GMT -5
I'll give you that!
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Post by twofortythree on Jan 18, 2020 15:08:34 GMT -5
Sierra Gamekings in 243 are not known to be tough. Which is why I use them. I don't worry about exit wounds. I like bullets that dump their energy inside the animal and I love bullets that shed some weight. This^^^ I’ve used .243 for 40 years. Just about any 100 grain bullet is magical on deer. Sierra game king is a real good bullet. Shot lots of deer with those. I like the partition probably the best. Just smacks deer. Was never in the camp of needing or wanting the bullet to pass through. Or really understood that. Maximum energy transfer is what I want. I’ve seen more dramatic deer kills with a 243 then any other caliber. Only time I ever had trouble with 243 shooting deer was with lighter bullets. Or bigger calibers with little bullet expansion. .243 with 100 grain bullets is deadly deer medicine!
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