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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 11:49:24 GMT -5
I think even Cumberland county manages a bear or two every year.
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Post by ridgecommander on Nov 16, 2017 12:00:45 GMT -5
Its so freaking crazy that Pa hunters still have to check every dang bear taken. How much more data do we need? Just from the bears that are tagged as cubs and/or tagged as nuisance bears, there is plenty to carry on the "research" that needs to be done. Random field checks of successful hunters should also provide plenty of info.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 12:13:57 GMT -5
Its so freaking crazy that Pa hunters still have to check every dang bear taken. How much more data do we need? Just from the bears that are tagged as cubs and/or tagged as nuisance bears, there is plenty to carry on the "research" that needs to be done. Random field checks of successful hunters should also provide plenty of info. Its not about the data its about that gotcha moment when the hunter says those magic words bait pile
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Post by westfieldjoe on Nov 16, 2017 12:26:21 GMT -5
I think it's funny how bears wont stay in the habitat the pros made for them.
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Post by dougell on Nov 16, 2017 12:57:58 GMT -5
What habitat was made for bears and where was it made?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 13:07:15 GMT -5
What habitat was made for bears and where was it made? I always thought those 6 foot high mountain laurel patches that went for miles were made for bears
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Post by dougell on Nov 16, 2017 13:10:13 GMT -5
They were but the deer made a good bit of them.
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Post by westfieldjoe on Nov 16, 2017 13:25:36 GMT -5
What habitat was made for bears and where was it made? large expansive spans of old timber. anywhere you find it.
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Post by dougell on Nov 16, 2017 13:39:29 GMT -5
It wasn't made for bears
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Post by westfieldjoe on Nov 16, 2017 13:43:36 GMT -5
What habitat was made for bears and where was it made? I always thought those 6 foot high mountain laurel patches that went for miles were made for bears bears like the thick stuff! the laurel goes away after the canopy closes. has anyone ever heard a pro say that a forest could get too old for bears? I never hear it. just hear how letting young timber turn into old timber is key to bear management.
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Post by dougell on Nov 16, 2017 13:48:29 GMT -5
The laurel does fine in a mature canopy.In any event,bear habitat was never intentionally created.Most of the bear we drive out and kill are driven out of clearcuts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 13:53:05 GMT -5
Anybody that doesn't think Dauphin/Lebanon county have authentic Bear country, hasn't spent time in the mountains here.
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Post by Loggy on Nov 16, 2017 14:02:57 GMT -5
I know that Stony & Clarks Creek valleys just north of Harrisburg is home for a few blackies.
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Post by dennyf on Nov 16, 2017 14:37:55 GMT -5
Check station has been out behind HQ for years, down back in a maintenance building. They seem to get more bears in there each year, as people figure out it's often on their way home, for example. Usually run by Chris Rosenberry, except for the first year he took over the deer/elk management team. Year after that, he was back again. Told him I thought he was too important for that, turned out he wasn't? As for "bears within 200 miles from it", several years ago one was brought in from just over the mountain near Linglestown. It had been trapped/transferred that same year and moved about 90 miles north. It made it back just in time for someone to shoot it on opening day. Linglestown is about four miles ENE from HQ. A bear was hit and badly injured in traffic, at the Progress Ave./I-81 exit some years ago. JohnS stopped and put it down, on his way to work that morning. That exit is less than a half mile from HQ. As for Cumberland County, our club is at the base of the mountain and the top is the Perry Co. line. Know at least a few bears have been taken in Cumberland over the past few years. We have a bear or two each year on club grounds. Saw a little one in the spring of '15, right along the driveway. A big 'un was seen out on our trap range fields last year. Week later it was hit/killed just south of the club, weighed over 400lbs.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Nov 16, 2017 18:02:34 GMT -5
Headed for camp right after breakfast Friday morning, and a see you later next week kiss to the wife. Will have a crew beating the brush in Noyes township, Clinton county Saturday morning, which will be a full or close 25 man crew. Come Monday we'll either combine two camps or hunt seperate crews, depending on the 25 men limit, same for Tuesday.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 19:52:18 GMT -5
Headed for camp right after breakfast Friday morning, and a see you later next week kiss to the wife. Will have a crew beating the brush in Noyes township, Clinton county Saturday morning, which will be a full or close 25 man crew. Come Monday we'll either combine two camps or hunt seperate crews, depending on the 25 men limit, same for Tuesday. That's the way to do it!
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Post by bawanajim on Nov 16, 2017 22:31:57 GMT -5
Ok, three bears run by, do you shoot the biggest one or the 150lbs that are there?
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Post by Dutch on Nov 17, 2017 5:50:36 GMT -5
Interesting map Mutt. Never saw that before. 171 bears in archery. This year, the north central region had about 165 in the archery season. Hope that helps get the total kill up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 6:18:41 GMT -5
Ok, three bears run by, do you shoot the biggest one or the 150lbs that are there? Three Bears would imply a Sow with Cubs. I've never seen a Sow with 150 lb Cubs but I would shoot a Sow if it's Cubs were around 100 lbs. If they're much smaller than that I'm not shooting any of them.
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Post by bawanajim on Nov 17, 2017 7:49:58 GMT -5
Several years back I had 5 bears walk by my stand in NY, the biggest was 350-400 pounds the others were 100-300 lbs . They looked like the "Three bears" and their friends.
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Post by dennyf on Nov 17, 2017 8:16:13 GMT -5
Maybe 8 or 10 years ago, my cousin was high up on the wooded ridge behind his house for the spring gobbler opener.
Got in there well before first light, where he suspected some gobblers had settled the night before. After he was there for a bit and it was just starting to get lighter, he made out some shapes about 40-50 yards away. When he hit his box call, the biggest one got up and took off, followed by two smaller critters. Then two even smaller ones went up trees and commenced to bawl.
The two smallest cubs stayed in their trees making a racket, ruining any chance of calling in a gobbler there, so he moved up higher.
Mentioned this to a biologist at a PGC meeting later in the year. He said it was highly unlikely a sow would "keep company" with two cubs from the previous year, while also having two cubs of the year. But he wasn't there to see what my cousin had encountered.
Back in the late 70s, we were building townhouses across from one of our local VFDs. Two of us were the first ones on that jobsite, clearing the lot of brush, moving dirt and preparing to demolish an old house there. We watched a big tan "tame" bunny meandering around, the first day we were there and were surprised some predator hadn't eaten it yet.
Day or two later while sitting in a pickup for coffee break, saw a big house cat sneaking around the other side of a hedge from where the bunny was, figured the jig was up? Cat came around the end of the hedge, saw the rabbit and took off back down the alley. We figured they'd already met and the cat wanted none of it.
That spring we were sitting out in front of one new building at lunch, across from the fire company and talking with the chief. Asked him why one of the bay doors was blocked open about six inches high. Said there was a bunny family back in the piles of newspapers the Scouts collected and had in there. So the door was open for them to get in and out. The tan bunny was the proud mama. Some of her litter looked like her, some looked like wild rabbits.
Mentioned this to another biologist that was at our club meeting as the "entertainment". He said it was impossible for tame and wild rabbits to interbreed, because of differences in their genetics.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 10:17:06 GMT -5
Several years back I had 5 bears walk by my stand in NY, the biggest was 350-400 pounds the others were 100-300 lbs . They looked like the "Three bears" and their friends. I'm always out there after the biggest bear of any group that may happen by. I have a 100 pounder. I passed up an 80 pounder. And I'm only interested in the biggest bear available to me.
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Post by fleroo on Nov 17, 2017 10:46:35 GMT -5
Hmph. and I thought he was from Mechanicalsburg ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 11:28:02 GMT -5
Hmph. and I thought he was from Mechanicalsburg ? Yeah, I didn't realize he was from Perry either.
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Post by Dutch on Nov 17, 2017 19:55:09 GMT -5
Eastern Perry, where the ejimicated people live.
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