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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 18:52:55 GMT -5
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Post by bawanajim on Sept 16, 2017 20:44:06 GMT -5
That's like listening to Rosie talking about something.......Blah blal .. blah...
It might be a great product but that guy coudn't sell cat litter to a cat.
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Post by davet on Sept 17, 2017 7:00:37 GMT -5
Well.....I agree he's way to detailed about the product. IMHO, I don't really care if he and his partners "put all their savings into" the product build. Hey...this is America and risk\reward is how business works. Nothing personal.......just business.
And legal or not in Pa., what will really drive sales is product cost. I know I'm not going to pay $60 per arrow knock. I'm not sure what the "maximum" is I would pay.
FWIW
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Post by ridgecommander on Sept 17, 2017 9:22:43 GMT -5
It is not legal in Pa. I have been talking to them about their crossbow nocks. Hopefully, when they go into production this fall, I will get some to play with(not hunt with). They also have a locating device for treestands. You place the device by your stand and use an app on your phone to home in on it. This would be especially helpful in the dark or for outfitters that set many stands for clients that have never hunted with them.
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Post by 3212 on Sept 17, 2017 10:02:13 GMT -5
I wonder why something that would aid in the recovery of game is illegal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 10:13:19 GMT -5
from page 15 of the digest:
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Post by ridgecommander on Sept 17, 2017 11:06:11 GMT -5
from page 15 of the digest: Lighted nocks are considered an electrical device by the PGC but there was an exception made for them that made then legal for use. The nock above can be tracked electronically and that is what makes it an illegal electronic device under current laws and regs. If the arrows does not pass through the animal, this technology would certainly aid recovery efforts. I can see the PGC balking at this technology, though, saying it would encourage poor shot selection. I don't think that would be the case but the PGC would probably work that angle. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 13:47:42 GMT -5
When will this technology stop? Make a good shot and you won't need any of this nonsense, Following a blood trail is part of the thrill and the potential to not knowing if you are going to find it is also.
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Post by bawanajim on Sept 17, 2017 14:10:47 GMT -5
The net generation "bows" will be magnetic propulsion, no need for strings, limbs or skill sets, it will shoot "arrows" at remarkable speeds and judging distances will become irrelevant. And sadly, without a doubt they will be welcome with open arms by those whom are "to busy" to practice and those who see the need to let everyone hunt.
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Post by davet on Sept 17, 2017 15:34:18 GMT -5
If you honestly place a quality shot, is there really a need for an electronic tracking device? Lung shots usually will have the deer down in under 50 yards. No need for an electronic tracking device then.
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Post by redarrow on Sept 17, 2017 17:08:44 GMT -5
You got that right, Bawanajim. The easier, the better in ALL cases for many hunters, wanting a challenge makes one an elitist. I may be the only one not allowed to point such things out.
That said, I don't think something that helps recover lost game an advantage in hunter success. I would suspect the tracking device could be made to stick in the animal even on a pass through-like the old game tracker string. I know a few hunters who used to use those things and claimed they worked. I doubt I'd buy one, especially at the price.
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Post by redarrow on Sept 17, 2017 17:10:36 GMT -5
These things would be at their best when one makes a less than "quality shot".
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Post by ridgecommander on Sept 17, 2017 18:05:59 GMT -5
When talking to the manufacturer, they emphasized that they developed the technology to help recover expensive arrows upon pass through. They are not working the game recovery aspect of the technology.
This is a quote from their website;
We at Breadcrumb have no interest in developing products, or in having people use our products, for tracking animals. We believe that hard work, practice and ethical standards are the foundation of a true outdoorsman or outdoorswoman. Our devices are built to help you find your equipment or those locations that you need to find to help you have a great hunt and adventure. If we can get you to your stand or help you recover your arrow you have a better chance of finding your passion and may even save you lost arrows or cameras in the process.
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Post by ridgecommander on Sept 17, 2017 18:08:25 GMT -5
The net generation "bows" will be magnetic propulsion, no need for strings, limbs or skill sets, it will shoot "arrows" at remarkable speeds and judging distances will become irrelevant. And sadly, without a doubt they will be welcome with open arms by those whom are "to busy" to practice and those who see the need to let everyone hunt. The same rapid evolution of technologies is also occurring in the firearms industry. We now have scopes that range and put a dot on the reticle where one has to hold out to 1000 yards and beyond. |
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Post by davet on Sept 18, 2017 7:16:30 GMT -5
The same rapid evolution of technologies is also occurring in the firearms industry. We now have scopes that range and put a dot on the reticle where one has to hold out to 1000 yards and beyond. While that's what the scope makers are marketing, I can tell you from shooting at metal targets from 850yds to 1,000yds, the shooter needs a scope of at least 25X. And the "dot" ballistic feature (and I do not own one of these scopes) would have to be "adjusted" to the specific bullet, caliber, sea level in order for it to work as advertised. And at those distances, wind is a factor that the scope cannot compensate for. I would say that an ethical shot could be taken out to 400 yards on animal......but only if the shooter\hunter has done a pile of practicing. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Sept 18, 2017 7:23:47 GMT -5
The same rapid evolution of technologies is also occurring in the firearms industry. We now have scopes that range and put a dot on the reticle where one has to hold out to 1000 yards and beyond. While that's what the scope makers are marketing, I can tell you from shooting at metal targets from 850yds to 1,000yds, the shooter needs a scope of at least 25X. And the "dot" ballistic feature (and I do not own one of these scopes) would have to be "adjusted" to the specific bullet, caliber, sea level in order for it to work as advertised. And at those distances, wind is a factor that the scope cannot compensate for. I would say that an ethical shot could be taken out to 400 yards on animal......but only if the shooter\hunter has done a pile of practicing. This is just one of several that are out there. barrett.net/accessories/optics/bors/ |
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Post by davet on Sept 18, 2017 14:27:38 GMT -5
That BORS weighs 13oz without the mounts. It looks like the mounts could hold a '67 Impala in one place. I wonder what those weigh?
Well......soon we will all need carts just to get our rangefinder scopes out to the field. If we attempt to carry 'em far, we will be crushed by the onerous weight!!
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Post by buzz on Sept 18, 2017 16:26:26 GMT -5
I carry a 300 wsm, A knife, and a tin of Skoal............. I am not a real complicated person, like Bawamajim is.............  |
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Post by bushmaster on Sept 18, 2017 16:35:05 GMT -5
I'm an open sight man myself.
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Post by timberdoodle on Sept 18, 2017 17:44:40 GMT -5
I carry a 300 wsm, A knife, and a tin of Skoal............. I am not a real complicated person, like Bawamajim is............. maybe this year you'll remember a couple of shells ..jot it down so ya don't ferget!! |
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Post by buzz on Sept 18, 2017 17:55:16 GMT -5
Just jotted it down on my tin of Skoal ..........
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Post by timberdoodle on Sept 19, 2017 8:35:56 GMT -5
atta boy!!  |
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Post by fleroo on Sept 20, 2017 7:54:16 GMT -5
"Tin" ? My Skoal has been plastic for about 30 some years now ? Although the top is tin. I miss the old waxed cardboard can with the tin top.
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