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Post by Dutch on Jul 19, 2017 13:38:57 GMT -5
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Post by dougell on Jul 19, 2017 13:48:35 GMT -5
Probably no worse than the amount of furbearer and bear tags sold to date.
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Post by feathers on Jul 20, 2017 21:17:57 GMT -5
I dunno ...wish it were around $10 or $15 ...think more would have been to this date so far
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 2:09:43 GMT -5
A lot of people are complaining about the cost of the permit I know the increase isn't favorable.
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Post by willyp on Jul 22, 2017 4:00:34 GMT -5
I also feel that $10 would have been a good place to start for a price on this permit .
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Post by dennyf on Jul 22, 2017 4:32:44 GMT -5
$10 would have been a good start, maybe 10 or 15 years ago.
There were some who thought it should've been done that long ago, but too many that opposed it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 6:18:15 GMT -5
$25 will buy two pheasants. Maybe?
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Post by cavscout19d on Jul 22, 2017 7:21:32 GMT -5
i know most dont agree but imo end the program. To me it seems like a waste. birds are released and most are shot on opening day. the ones that survive are eaten by fox or yotes or hit by cars. that money can be put in towards the elk program or something else that is more profitable. I dont phesant hunt so my opinion holds no weight but just seems pointless to fund a program when you cant maintain a population of birds
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Post by Loggy on Jul 22, 2017 7:52:32 GMT -5
IMO the PGC errored in their pricing model of $25/permit by anticipating sales of 60,000 permits in their projecting revenue 1.5 million. A permit price range between $10-$15 more likely would of had a better chance to meet their goals of sales revenue plus program enhancement.
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Post by timberdoodle on Jul 22, 2017 13:31:15 GMT -5
Additional Pheasants To Be Stocked
November 29, 2016
The NJDEP Division of Fish and Wildlife will be stocking an additional 8,000 pheasants for hunters in December, a result of another excellent production year at the Rockport Pheasant Farm.
The Division had already committed to stocking 50,000 during its regular stocking season, and has already used 1,000 surplus birds to double the number of pheasant stocked during the November 5, 2016 Youth Pheasant Hunt.
These additional 8,000 birds will be distributed statewide, utilizing the new New Jersey's Pheasant Allocation Formula during six of the remaining days of the current stocking season. The current plan is to allocate the additional birds for the following dates:
•Dec. 1 - additional 1,200 pheasants
•Dec. 3 - additional 630 pheasants
•Dec. 13 - additional 390 pheasants
•Dec. 17 - additional 890 pheasants
•Dec. 24 - additional 2,040 pheasants
•Dec. 29 - additional 2,850 pheasants
NJ Pheasant stamp..... $40.00 approx. 60K birds stocked.
Pa Pheasant Stamp .... $25.00 Approx. 220K birds stocked
Obviously there are a bunch of cry babies in our ranks.
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Post by Loggy on Jul 22, 2017 13:49:56 GMT -5
Additional Pheasants To Be Stocked November 29, 2016 The NJDEP Division of Fish and Wildlife will be stocking an additional 8,000 pheasants for hunters in December, a result of another excellent production year at the Rockport Pheasant Farm. The Division had already committed to stocking 50,000 during its regular stocking season, and has already used 1,000 surplus birds to double the number of pheasant stocked during the November 5, 2016 Youth Pheasant Hunt. These additional 8,000 birds will be distributed statewide, utilizing the new New Jersey's Pheasant Allocation Formula during six of the remaining days of the current stocking season. The current plan is to allocate the additional birds for the following dates: •Dec. 1 - additional 1,200 pheasants •Dec. 3 - additional 630 pheasants •Dec. 13 - additional 390 pheasants •Dec. 17 - additional 890 pheasants •Dec. 24 - additional 2,040 pheasants •Dec. 29 - additional 2,850 pheasants NJ Pheasant stamp..... $40.00 approx. 60K birds stocked. Pa Pheasant Stamp .... $25.00 Approx. 220K birds stocked Obviously there are a bunch of cry babies in our ranks. Bad comparison as NJ's is BOTH a Pheasant AND Quail stamp which covers stocking of thousands of quail in addition to pheasants. |
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Post by timberdoodle on Jul 22, 2017 15:45:29 GMT -5
Each year approximately 50,000 pheasants raised at the Rockport Pheasant Farm are stocked on division Wildlife Management Areas (WMAs) and 5,200 quail are released on two WMAs.Coyote and fox are perhaps the most challenging of the state's small game species. Though not nearly as popular as in past decades, trappers continue to take species such as raccoon, fox, opossum, mink, otter and beaver.
Not even close.
I can see where the two are not comparable smileys-whistling-823718 |
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Post by Loggy on Jul 22, 2017 16:42:24 GMT -5
Each year approximately 50,000 pheasants raised at the Rockport Pheasant Farm are stocked on division Wildlife Management Areas (WMAs) and 5,200 quail are released on two WMAs.Coyote and fox are perhaps the most challenging of the state's small game species. Though not nearly as popular as in past decades, trappers continue to take species such as raccoon, fox, opossum, mink, otter and beaver.
Not even close.
I can see where the two are not comparable smileys-whistling-823718 Exactly with NJ only averaging 12,000 permits sold annually. The fixed facility costs etc along with variable costs are obviously going to require more revenue per bird to cover the program. In other words...more needs to be charged per permit. NJ is not a good state to compare to PA as the number of license sales are miniscule in comparison to PA. |
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Post by timberdoodle on Jul 22, 2017 17:10:24 GMT -5
Is that another IRS snow job???
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Post by Loggy on Jul 22, 2017 17:31:51 GMT -5
Is that another IRS snow job??? Nope....called Cost Accounting 101!!  |
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Post by Loggy on Jul 22, 2017 17:47:37 GMT -5
I like the program but wish they coulda set the fee at a price more palatable for hunters to partake. My guess at $10 you would be more likely to attract many who are not avid bird hunters(with dogs etc.). If the PGC projection is a total miss I hope they retry next year with different pricing structure vs abandoning the program.
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Post by davet on Jul 22, 2017 18:10:38 GMT -5
The hunters who chase the pen raised birds have a lot of money tied up in their dogs. So....they don't want to see the pheasants just go away. If the pheasants no longer get stocked, then what do they do with their dogs and their memories of days gone by when pheasants were wild and birds were not as dumb? I say keep raising the stamp cost to match the program cost. It will soon stop draining monies from the PGC budget and free up resources to where they need to go.
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Post by timberdoodle on Jul 22, 2017 18:17:28 GMT -5
Pheasant Hunting License
We recommend that all pheasant hunters be required to obtain a license to hunt pheasants in addition to their regular hunting license. This will help offset the annual Propagation program costs estimated to be $4,000,000 by 2010. We also recommend that hunters be surveyed to determine their support of the Pheasant Management Plan and their expectations and willingness to support its full implementation.
from PGC Pheasant Plan...December 2008
Fiscal year ending 2014 Game Farm Operations 5,731,766
Fiscal year ending 2015 Game Farm Operations 4,907,625 Fiscal year ending 2016 Game Farm Operations 4,515,395
3 Pheasant Seasons $15,151,786 (Introduction to Basic Accounting)
No license increase going on 20 years now.... I say the Pheasant Stamp is a cheap give away. My opinion. |
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Post by davet on Jul 22, 2017 18:25:35 GMT -5
Timber, Accounting 101: Two ways to match program cost. #1---Raise program revenues to meet expected cost. Well, this won't happen so that option is out the door. #2--Cut program cost to meet expected revenues. Easy one. Don't buy as many ditch chickens to stock. Oh......boo hoo. We don't have as many birdies to shoot as we use to. Yeah.....get over it.
Lesson of Accounting 101 is now over.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 19:39:04 GMT -5
Mugs objects to your second option, Dave. Mugs rules. That means I have to buy birds at a preserve so he can do his thing. He also insisted that I buy a pheasant stamp so he can hunt birds at Camp. Did I mention that Mugs rules?
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Post by davet on Jul 22, 2017 20:23:30 GMT -5
Mugs objects to your second option, Dave. Mugs rules. That means I have to buy birds at a preserve so he can do his thing. He also insisted that I buy a pheasant stamp so he can hunt birds at Camp. Did I mention that Mugs rules? Well, Mugs rules is what they is. But all I can say is if I got $20 in my pocket....and I spend $10.....I know I got $10 left. And I don't need no CPA to tell me that. smileys-whistling-823718 |
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Post by Loggy on Jul 23, 2017 8:36:26 GMT -5
As I stated before im all for the program. The $25 fee doesn't make me blink but I feel it may for many hunters where the fee is greater than the cost of an Adult Hunting License. Hopefully, things will progress in a way benefiting all sportsmen who enjoy this segment of our sport.
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Post by timberdoodle on Jul 23, 2017 9:40:11 GMT -5
Well I tend to agree with you on costing more than an Ault Resident Hunting License. Perhaps if the Legislature did their job the past twenty years the Pheasant Permit would be more in line with the cost of a License. $15.1 M in 3 seasons.... take that back 20 seasons.
While we don't yet know what the new permit will bring in I can assure right now it will not come near the cost of this next season. It will only help perhaps to keep the Pheasant stocking program going for a time.
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Post by fleroo on Jul 24, 2017 9:51:15 GMT -5
There was absolutely no way I was going to get the stamp at $25. I am NOT an "upland bird hunter". As I've said a few times already, a few of us would get together when an old friend comes in from out of state, and chase some birds on GL. It is nothing more than for the "getting together" aspect. The tailgate lunch, a few (or more) beers after the hunt, etc...
Well, the out of state friend knew nothing about the stamp when he bought his NR license online. Which make me wonder, how many others may not know about it ? When I told him about it, he said, "I'll just pick up the stamp when I come in, in Nov" I thought, hmmmmmm, he must really enjoy the hunt, so who am I to say we shouldn't go. We literally go 1 day. The one day he doesn't fall turkey hunt. Sooooo, I bought the stamp. If he and I went to lunch, had a couple meals, and a few beers, I'd be out more than $25 if I pick up the tab. So what the hell.
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Post by Dutch on Jul 24, 2017 10:20:25 GMT -5
So, if you go to Kennywood for one day, what does it cost?
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