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Post by davet on May 8, 2016 18:54:54 GMT -5
Ok, we are aware....or if not aware maybe this post will make you aware, or push you to become more aware that if you hunt and carry last years license with you, if a WCO finds you with last years license, you will be subject to a citation.....AKA a "fine" for that.
So, my question is.....since deer season for 2015-16 is over, but the 2015-16 hunting season isn't over, if I'm out groundhog hunting and I have my unused deer tags stuffed in my license holder.....am I "A fine waiting to happen"? You know what I'm asking?
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Post by Dutch on May 9, 2016 4:56:48 GMT -5
Of course you are.  |
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Post by fleroo on May 9, 2016 7:03:43 GMT -5
Of course not. Your tags for Deer are meaningless at that point, and if you shoot a Deer in May, you are subject to a fine regardless of your licensing you have on your person.
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Post by davet on May 9, 2016 7:39:17 GMT -5
Who would shoot a deer after the season? Unless your a poacher. And that isn't my question. Dutch understand's my question. Your license is for 2015-16, deer season is over...yet you still have 2015-2106 2B doe tags in your license holder. Legal or subject to a fine? Obviously shooting a deer at this time of year is illegal. Who doesn't know that,...and that is not my question.
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Post by dennyf on May 9, 2016 7:53:21 GMT -5
The tags are part of the current year license. Same as archery, muzzle loader, bear and bobcat - if one chose to buy those extra licenses when purchasing the current year's license. Those "seasons" have come and gone, but the tags are still probably connected to the rest of the license forms.
So what was the point of asking if they somehow amount to a violation?
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Post by davet on May 9, 2016 8:10:31 GMT -5
So what was the point of asking if they somehow amount to a violation? Simple. Must those tags which are no longer valid for the current year....Must they be removed and no longer be carried? They are absolutely worthless and have no usefulness at all to the hunter from the time the deer season ends. However, the 2015-2106 hunting license is valid until June 30, 2016. By the fact that the hunter has in his possession a useless tag bring about the possibility of a citation should he be checked by a WCO? |
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Post by bawanajim on May 9, 2016 8:37:38 GMT -5
Dave, you tear those tags off of pillows and mattresses don't you? The ones that say not to, under penalty of the law. |
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Post by fleroo on May 9, 2016 8:58:13 GMT -5
Relax Dave. You're missing my point. You have the CURRENT years tags with your CURRENT years license. You are NOT in violation of sh!t per this current rule under your scenario. It says nothing about having to discard CURRENT years tags, only that you cannot have EXPIRED licenses on your person.
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Post by fleroo on May 9, 2016 9:15:37 GMT -5
..... and I don't believe Dutch is stating you are in violation regarding your question. I just think he was being snarky when he replied "Of course you are", as an answer to you asking, "am I A fine waiting to happen"? rofl ..... but that's for him to clear up..... or not. |
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Post by bawanajim on May 9, 2016 9:21:35 GMT -5
The worst I ever witnessed of a conservation officer going absolutely wild was the time I sat at camp and filled out the general information on my tag, My name, My address, all of the stuff that comes printed on them today.
I didn't tear it off or deform it in any way I just clearly printed all of my info on the tag while it was warm and dry in camp.
It was quite entertaining, and a whole bunch of people got an education that day, long live the PGC and the Ross Leffler school of karma!
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Post by davet on May 9, 2016 9:22:53 GMT -5
Dave, you tear those tags off of pillows and mattresses don't you? The ones that say not to, under penalty of the law. Yes Jim.....But the REAL question is.....Have you? As the consumer, (should you actually read those little tags) you are permitted to remove the tag. |
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Post by bawanajim on May 9, 2016 9:27:01 GMT -5
Only under penalty of the law, and I'm always above that!
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Post by davet on May 9, 2016 9:39:41 GMT -5
Gentlemen.....read what the amendment to the law states:
Therefore, in an effort to reduce the number of either purposeful or mistaken improperly
marked big game violations from ever occurring, the Commission is proposing to amend Section 141.41 to prohibit the possession of an expired, revoked, suspended or invalid hunting license or big game harvest tag while in engaged in hunting or trapping
activities or while in the fields, forests or on the
waters or highways within or bordering the Commonwealth.
I'm just reading the amendment as it was voted on according to the meeting minutes. The big game tag is no longer valid. The tag is expired. I'm simply bringing it to your attention.
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Post by fleroo on May 9, 2016 9:39:58 GMT -5
Marlboro Man. Smooth as fine silk. *thumbsup*
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Post by fleroo on May 9, 2016 9:46:36 GMT -5
Their INTENT when listing "expired", is surely meant to mean PRIOR YEAR(S) licensing and/or tags. To that, my guess is a very average attorney, could get a person off of just about every reg violation they have, by nit-picking the verbiage. It is what it is. |
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Post by bawanajim on May 9, 2016 9:53:16 GMT -5
Their INTENT when listing "expired", is surely meant to mean PRIOR YEAR(S) licensing and/or tags. To that, my guess is a very average attorney, could get a person off of just about every reg violation they have, by nit-picking the verbiage. It is what it is. Bill Clinton got out of a "sticky situation" [pun intended] by stating that it all depends on what your definition of "is" is! confused-smiley-013 |
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Post by davet on May 9, 2016 11:20:25 GMT -5
Their INTENT when listing "expired", is surely meant to mean PRIOR YEAR(S) licensing and/or tags. To that, my guess is a very average attorney, could get a person off of just about every reg violation they have, by nit-picking the verbiage. It is what it is. I hear ya.....but that's not what it says. If it was their "intent" then the language should say so....don't you think? I've read thousands of pages of tax code, plus the "layman's" version of said code, plus IRS Private Letter Rulings of said code, and court cases of said code. And I've read results of the same tax code from different circuit courts that will provide different "opinions" on the same section of a specific code as that circuit court "interprets" the meaning or intent of said law. However, I'm simply reading what it says. I'm no attorney.....but I can read....most times anyway. smileys-whistling-823718 |
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Post by fleroo on May 9, 2016 11:57:59 GMT -5
I guess I'll bow out by saying this. If you hunt Groundhogs tomorrow, and get cited for having your 2015-2016 Deer Tags on your person, call your attorney. Then let us know for a good laugh. *thumbsup*
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Post by zimmerstutzen on May 9, 2016 12:32:22 GMT -5
Pgc has never been a paragon of clarity. Why start now.
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Post by davet on May 9, 2016 13:47:25 GMT -5
Fleroo, I once got into an argument with a PGH cop. He then proceeded to charge me with "attempted theft of a parking spot." Then I had to be finger printed and mug shot-ed. He filed this charge just to put me thru that. So....exactly how do you "steal" a parking spot? Do you rip it up and toss in in your truck bed? Is the "spot" now gone? You get my point? OTOH....If you get a young smug and wanna write a citation kind of guy, and he decides after sitting up all night reading the laws just because.....then he check your license and decides he will write you for that, how about you let us know how it turns out. BTW, I got $20 says next year some hunter in Pa. gets cited for this very thing. Unless the Reg's are clarified.
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Post by ridgecommander on May 9, 2016 14:17:07 GMT -5
Dave. You should be fine. Just remove all of the 2015/16 stuff by the start of the new license year.
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Post by bushmaster on May 9, 2016 17:30:40 GMT -5
I really don't have a problem with any of this old tag stuff. It's simple enough! If the tag is expired take it out of your holder, don't carry it! That's pretty simple! It's like people are just looking for things to bitch about when it comes to the PGC! Enough already!
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Post by davet on May 9, 2016 18:37:45 GMT -5
Bush, that's your opinion. If you look at any of my previous post, I am not a consistent PGC "basher" as your post would seem to indicate. However, I do believe the PGC does not provide enough access to public lands for the disabled. You may feel free to disagree. But you have no right to tell me to shut up. Once again, reason #35 for an ignore button.
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Post by bushmaster on May 9, 2016 18:49:41 GMT -5
Never told you to shut up Dave! I agree with you on the access for handicapped hunters and I also take issue with gates being closed to predator hunters after Deer season. This tag thing though just seems stupid to me, that's all!
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Post by fleroo on May 10, 2016 6:45:48 GMT -5
I've never been a cheerleader of the PGC, but never a "basher" either, spewing rhetoric that they can do no right. I never had the desire to hop on a bus, and take a ride to Elmerton Avenue, and attend a couple days of boring meetings either. None of this crap has that much of an impact on my life. I hunt, at most, 15 days out of the year. BUT.... some of the crap they have been pulling in recent years is BS, and I'm gunna call 'em out on it.
You're correct in stating this though bushmaster. "This tag thing though just seems stupid to me, that's all!" IT IS stupid. And the stupidity started when they dreamed up this stupid reg. But, again, just one more gaff in quite a long line of recent gaffs.
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