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Post by davet on Oct 10, 2014 10:26:38 GMT -5
Rkeving,
delete to change for next post!!!
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Post by davet on Oct 10, 2014 10:28:40 GMT -5
It's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease!!! Congrats on being one of us!!! A truly rusty wheel that will not quit!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 10:35:19 GMT -5
Rkeving, delete to change for next post!!! Not sure what this means? I've been the squeaky wheel enough times over the course of my son's life, that most who encounter me would rather see me removed and discarded, rather than greased!
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Post by davet on Oct 10, 2014 10:39:51 GMT -5
Now, just a thought.....but you have an ATV. Even though it's a gas ATV....it's still an ATV. So.....if I were young and full of beans like your son, (I'm still full of beans...I'm just older....no wise cracks from the rest of you fellows) I would strap on his wheelchair to that ATV, and get out on that trail to do some scouting. Then, when he finds a place where he believe's is good, park the ATV 50 or 75 yards away if it's possible for him to wheel into a good spot!! Of course, he will need to see if that's possible. That way he will be away from the ATV smell.
Also, I would bring along 50 or more likely 100 feet of just cheap close line so that should he down one he can reach it (with a good shot they really don't run far) tie the line around it's neck with the front legs tied to it so they don't snag, or if he knows how to simply cut the tendons at the leg joint (knee) and with a sideway snap (this may be difficult for him) break off the two front legs at the knees, then with the rope tied to the ATV, haul the deer out. Of course, tag the deer first. If it's difficult to field dress it where it's at, then dress it after it's out of the woods. I field dress mine on my truck tailgate.
This is great news!! I'm very excited for him. Keep us posted.
Dave
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Post by davet on Oct 10, 2014 10:42:37 GMT -5
Rkeving, delete to change for next post!!! Not sure what this means? I've been the squeaky wheel enough times over the course of my son's life, that most who encounter me would rather see me removed and discarded, rather than greased! Well, I had typed out this longer post while you were typing your post on the positive results you just received concerning your phone call. So, all of the "stuff" I posted was irrelevant. So, I just found it easier to simply edit my post and say what I did, and make a new post and congratulate you on being a squeaky old.....well...you know!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 10:48:59 GMT -5
LOL, OK. I was trying to figure out if I had a setting wrong and my posts were getting sorted wrong or something!!
Thanks again davet for all your help and encouragement. Best of luck during the hunt this season.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2014 18:13:38 GMT -5
Trip #5 today. We had the afternoon free and the weather was nice, so we decided to venture out again and see if any thing had been completed on the signage. We pulled into the first parking area and didn't see anything new, but that wasn't a surprise. We traveled back to the 2nd parking area, where the gate is normally closed, and did not see anything there either. We were starting to get a bit worried again, but figured that since we were already there, we were going to drive up to where the "All Travel" access was stopped, and then get out and "walk" back the trail a mile or so, to see what the ground looked like and what the hunting from a wheelchair would be like, if that ended up being the case. When we got back to where the road was blocked: We saw a sign over to where the small trail was that went around the gate: What a relief that was to see!! Now, I had not seen anything in the paperwork that this road was only ATV accessible during a certain part of the year, as stated on the sign (what about summer hunting (coyotes, crows, woodchucks, etc)?) But, for now, this at least informs us that we are on the right road, and that we can indeed take the ATV from this point to where he decides to hunt. We did still "walk" back about a mile, and looked things over. On the way back, we managed to flush 3 grouse and that made my son extremely happy. Still hoping that there continues to be some work done here (signs and gates), and will have to figure out if this will only be open during the fall season. But, from where we where at this time last week, I'm more than pleased and grateful for the assistance and effort that has been put forth.
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Post by bud16057 on Oct 12, 2014 18:59:07 GMT -5
"I apologize for using this forum to vent my whining and frustration, but am glad that it looks like we have resolved this issue, and more importantly, my son can experience the hunting and outdoors that he desires to. " I really don't think you owe anyone reading this an apology. You have a very positive outlook and are just trying to go about this legally - you're just helping to educate the rest of us as to how difficult it can actually be. Wish I could've been there when the guy was a jerk and set up right by you, I would've loved to help you out dealing with him.
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Post by davet on Oct 12, 2014 19:55:12 GMT -5
Yup!! I agree 100% with Bud (You know....Oh holy grail of all Global Moderator's!!!) Now, it's my guess that the "small trail" that you are referring to is the ATV access around the main blocked road. Yes? If your ATV fits thru it.....then I would say your good to go!!!
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Dave
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Post by buzz on Oct 12, 2014 21:04:00 GMT -5
Glad to see the positive outcome. Thank you, for thanking me, but Dutch is the one who pointed this thread out to me, knowing I lived up here, so he deserves the same shout out I got, ..........but regardless, it was about getting you and your son a fair chance, and it looks as though....at least the first efforts have proven worth the attempt1 Best of luck to you and your son this Fall...!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Dutch on Oct 14, 2014 15:38:15 GMT -5
I wonder if a call to the NE Regional office, and asking to have the Land Manager for that SGL call you, might not help with access questions? That person would be helpful, I'm sure.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 17:27:25 GMT -5
The WCO that I spoke with, from the Dallas Office, told me that they didn't currently have a "Land Manager" for that SGL. I think he said he retired or resigned- I can't remember exactly. He did say that there was a "Foreman" there that he was in contact with, and that he instructed the "Foreman" to put up the sign and to get to work on the gate (the gate needs to be changed so it can be operated by someone from an ATV).
I'm a bit reluctant to keep pressing the issue, especially seeing how they have done something to accommodate us, and understanding that they can't get everything done overnight.
Here again though, with all the paperwork that goes into this whole thing, and with the PGC having an "interactive map"- I would think that all of this should be very self explanatory and self evident, on paper, on the computer, and physically on site.
I'll keep this thread updated with progress and with information, as things unfold. We are debating whether or not we should venture to a few other SGLs and see if things are the same there, or if they have been handled differently. Gonna be tough with small game season opening soon, but if we have time for a drive, maybe we will see if we can locate another designated road on another SGL that is listed on the paperwork.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 11:05:40 GMT -5
So, yesterday, we made our first "hunting" trip out to the SGL. I was pleasantly surprised to see that the Parking Area right along Deep Hollow Road was now hosting a sign with the Disabled placard.
We drove back to where the gate was, and along the way, we found 2 other Disabled placards marking trails. (Getting happier all the time).
We unloaded the ATV and started up the trail that leads to the Kellogg Mountain Tower site. Along the way, we stopped and I made some "drives" hoping to flush some grouse out to where my son could get a shot. Whether it was the timing, or the wind, or just my poor driving skills, we did not hear anything to shoot at.
Venturing farther up the trail, we came to a fork, and it was clearly labeled with yet another Disabled placard, giving us clear direction as to where we were permitted to travel. (Big smile.)
It was starting to get dark, so we went just a bit more to get a view of yet another sign at another fork, and were just getting ready to head back to the truck. Looking up ahead, about 150 yards, we see a black bear crossing ahead of us. Watching it for just a bit, we see another, bigger this time, coming right behind it. Having only a 20 gauge shotgun, we decided to quietly back out and call this a "successful" trip onto the SGL, even though we never fired a shot.
So, all in all, a great experience. Glad to see the signs going up, and having them displayed very prominently, giving us clear indication and direction of where we can, and can't, go.
Will try to get another trip scheduled and maybe even remember the camera this time, so we can at least post a picture of some wildlife, if not some of the newly posted placards.
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Post by davet on Oct 26, 2014 14:49:38 GMT -5
Wow!!! That's fantastic!! Now I'm jealous!!! (Not really) No grouse....but to see two black bear has got to be a thrill for your son. Heck, it would be a thrill for this 58 year old guy!!! I'm glad you got out, glad they got the posters up like they should be, sorry you didn't flush any grouse....but they do call it "hunting" and not "killing"....but what a great day to get out!! I'm just tickled to death that you both got to spot some bear!! Now you know your good to go and your in the right place!! But....I'm betting your son is looking a "Bear hunting" options. If not now....pretty soon!! Don't be surprised if he ask what caliber will kill one.
Congrats!!
Dave
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 16:05:35 GMT -5
I'm betting your son is looking a "Bear hunting" options. If not now....pretty soon!! Don't be surprised if he ask what caliber will kill one. You got that right- he already mentioned it would have been a "chip shot" for the 300 Win Mag. Also, I've determined that next time I go, I'm going to make sure to make full use of my carry permit, and have the .44 strapped on the side!
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Post by davet on Oct 26, 2014 16:52:54 GMT -5
You got that right- he already mentioned it would have been a "chip shot" for the 300 Win Mag. Also, I've determined that next time I go, I'm going to make sure to make full use of my carry permit, and have the .44 strapped on the side! You can ask these guys here but the 30-06 has taken many Pa. black bear over the years. Of course, the 300 Win Mag will for sure do the job, but the 30-06 will just be a little less expensive. It's doubtful you have to be too concerned about these black bear attacking you, just don't get in between mama and cub, and don't run away when your close as that will trigger the "pursue" instinct in the bear. The best thing to do is make a bunch of noise so they know you are there. They usually like to avoid people as they are after much tastier things to eat than people. OTOH, it never hurts to carry a 44-mag along as you never know when a coyote will happen along. Just once I want to surprise a coyote. *welcome* Dave
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