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Post by fleroo on Jun 10, 2014 6:22:35 GMT -5
What happened to the proposed Bill that would exempt Seniors from Antler Restrictions ? Pass, Not Pass, didn't make it to vote, etc... ? This would have been of much concern to me about 10 years ago, not so much now, but I'm curious.
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Post by johns on Jun 10, 2014 7:57:58 GMT -5
I hope it died. I haaven heard senior hunters clamoring for an exemption. It is the younger folks who keep bringing the matter up, perhaps looking to the future. smileys-whistling-823718 I don't like the bill, or the (label).
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Post by fleroo on Jun 10, 2014 8:52:18 GMT -5
Naaaaa. I seriously doubt that folks younger than Sr. License status, are concerned enough about a stinking Bill that could potentially afford them the CHANCE to shoot a 4 pt. instead of a 7 pt. in X number of years down the road. If that were the case, they need to find some added drama and excitement in their lives I reckon.
I was a vocal proponent of such a change some years ago, when my Uncle was still alive, and still hunting. He was my mentor growing up, and a guy I had a deep running affection for as a man and a person. In his later years, around mid-80's, he stopped hunting. The man loved hunting. He would often get off a midnight shift at a Coke Oven, and drive 1 hour away to get in some morning Squirrel Hunting prior to returning home. I suppose age had a little something to do with his choice to quit, and not wanting to deal with the cold, but during a conversation, he also mentioned that there were just too many rules to follow nowadays, and he wasn't sure if he knew exactly what was what. In every season though, he would make his driving rounds "in the country", to inspect/neb, and search for wildlife. He still had the desire, it's just the will wasn't there. Back then, I also stated that IF there were to be exemptions, it should come to the folks that "payed dues" so to speak, and not to the pre-teens, or teenagers that have to wait in every other aspect in life, and follow the rules (driving, voting, drinking, ec...). Just something back when, when I lost my hunting pal, that I was passionate about. My mentor, D-Day Vet, and hero, passed on a few years ago at age 92.
It's not always the "about me" stuff, as I suspect you know. Myself, I could care less if I ever kill a Deer, large or small, and I have ample opportunity to do so. I would rather see the fellas/friends of mine, that have more passion for such endeavors, do it on my land. I'm quite content picking wild edibles, and working on habitat improvements on my land.
I believe back when, GlennD had the same "wants/hopes ?" for his elderly father based on posts on another website. I shared his views on the subject.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 9:28:22 GMT -5
Those one's that payed dues also have a lot more hunting time in then anyone else. I would rather see the whole thing disappear, I am not a fan of AR.
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Post by fleroo on Jun 10, 2014 9:44:27 GMT -5
Those one's that payed dues also have a lot more hunting time in then anyone else. So what. The one's that HAVEN'T payed their dues, have a bunch more hunting time ahead of them. In my eyes, it was more the fact that the "counting points" were tough. Hell, they're tough for me, and I'm not 80. I heard all the snapping from the young laddy's also, that if you can't see a point you shouldn't be in the woods..... Bullshirts. There's an enormous difference of being able to determine a Deer has a rack vs. determining it has a 1" nub protruding. I was hoping to afford those 80 something year old eyes that benefit. You see Stroupy, most of those fellas were tough, no-nonsense, guys that carried themselves with dignity, and would rather quit the sport, than to make a mistake and "break the law". To many of them, that would be indignant and carry a blemish that would concern them deeply. Younger folks of nowadays wouldn't be nearly affected by such a thing. I remember how upset my Unc was in the late-70's. He received a speeding ticket (his only one..... ever), going a bit over 60 mph. He said he should have known better, and didn't realize he picked up that much speed going down the hill. It struck me just how much that affected him. How it was a mark, a blemish, on his record.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 11:21:13 GMT -5
Older fellas have had plenty of opportunity to kill your spikes and y bucks then anyone my age. They only ever couldn't kill spikes at one point from what I have been told. I don't agree with AR because I know from talking to people if guys make a mistake they don't turn it in they just take it home and don't talk about it. I bet most who make a mistake don't even burn there tag up when they shoot an illegal then they go and shoot another one and then instead of one buck dead they have two. I remember when Ar first came out and I talked to a guy I worked with who said he was hunting with a guy and he shot a y buck and left the thing lay because he didn't want to turn it in. Bet it happens a lot just I don't think people let them lay as much.
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Post by fleroo on Jun 10, 2014 12:59:15 GMT -5
I'm fine with no AR, I'm fine with total AR (no exemptions). All I was a proponent of was, if you do have AR's, give exemtion to the 80, 81, 82 year olds before you give it to the 13, 14, 15 year olds.
But I digress..... all I really wanted to know by starting the thread, was if the Bill moved forward, got shot down, etc... There are plenty of people on this site that pay very close atention to such PGC matters. I thought someone would know.
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Post by galthatfishes on Jun 10, 2014 13:37:41 GMT -5
Yep, I'd like to see AR's across the board for EVERYONE. That way there is no more tag swapping (when an adult whacks a forkie)- and everyone has the same shot across the board.
Everthing has exceptions. 4 points to a side, 3 "up top", 3 points to a side- and talk of "TWO UP TOP".
I can't see "points" at a distance anymore, but I CAN see them with binoculars (I don't count points with my scope). If I can't count the POINTS, then I CERTAINLY can't be expected to know "my target and beyond".
AR's across the board for everyone, 3 "up top" state wide with an OR restriction of at least a 14 inch spread, and that eliminates the FLUKE forkie who is 5.5 years old from going unharvested.
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Post by fleroo on Jun 10, 2014 14:09:26 GMT -5
The ONE potential benefit of exempting a certain class of people from following AR, is just that. Military or Juniors, can take those Flukey, older, non-antler growers out of the mix. Of course, along with vehicles, EHD or other diseases, natural occurrence, etc... But that benefit of taking a flukey Buck, is an atypical occurrence to be sure.
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Post by cspot on Jun 10, 2014 17:00:36 GMT -5
I have never been a fan of AR's, but that being said I think the current setup (at least in WPA) is good the way it is. I don't agree with making AR's for everyone. AR's were done for a biological benefit which according to the experts, it is doing what it is intended. Let kids whack any buck that they want. There is no reason biologically to make kids follow the AR restrictions. I don't see making seniors exempt as most seniors are grouchy old farts that wouldn't appreciate it anyway (ie see most seniors on this board) smileys-whistling-823718.
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Post by fleroo on Jun 11, 2014 6:39:38 GMT -5
Hmmmm. Now there's a side I haven't considered. thumbsup
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Post by Muab Dib on Jun 11, 2014 8:05:33 GMT -5
I don't see the need for Sr. AR exemption. For a long time I was in agreement with AR...no longer.
Muab
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Post by galthatfishes on Jun 12, 2014 17:21:53 GMT -5
I just think we need to quit treating people as "special", and make the rules the same for everyone.
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Post by fleroo on Jun 13, 2014 6:42:08 GMT -5
I just think we need to quit treating people as "special", and make the rules the same for everyone. I'll go along with that. But about 10 years ago, when I had more chips in the game, I thought my Uncle was more "special" than any 12, 13, 14 year olds getting the exemption. He had the medals to prove he was special, more special than most. Twas just me wishing that a generation of guys that I held in high regard, and aging fast, would get the "break". Fast forward to today Kathy, and I'm more in line with you. NO EXEMPTIONS. Due mostly to the fact that the same generation I held in high esteem, are 90+ or so now, and for the most part, not all but most, are either gone, or no longer hunt. I don't look at the current generation of baby-boomers (me included), in the same reverence. Actually, I didn't start the thread to re-hash the merits of "old guy exemption", though I have some . I just wanted to know if the bill fizzled out, or was moved along....... and I'm still not sure.
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Post by Dutch on Jun 13, 2014 18:27:09 GMT -5
Got news fer ya Fleroo, us baby boomers think we are more special than most, sadly.
I think the bill fizzled, not sure tho.
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Post by melody on Jun 13, 2014 19:58:34 GMT -5
Senate version fizzled out after coming out of committee:
SB 547 Solobay, Timoth Amends Title 34 re special provisions PLS Summary: (PN 511) Amends Title 34 (Game) to remove deer antler restrictions for hunters holding a senior hunting license. Companions: HB 1146 (Identical)
Bill History: 02-21-13 S Filed 02-21-13 S Introduced and referred to committee on Senate Game and Fisheries 03-12-13 S Meeting set for 12:00 p.m., Room 8E-A, East Wing, Senate Game and Fisheries 03-12-13 S Voted favorably from committee on Senate Game and Fisheries 03-12-13 S Reported as committed from Senate Game and Fisheries 03-12-13 S First consideration 04-10-13 S Set on the Senate table
House version never went anywhere:
HB 1146 Readshaw, Harry Amends Title 34 re special provisions PLS Summary: (PN 1404) Amends Title 34 (Game) adding language providing a person who holds a valid Pennsylvania senior hunting license may hunt and kill with an authorized weapon one deer that has two or more points to one antler or that has one antler three or more inches in length during an antlered deer season. Companions: HCO1563 (Co-sponsor Memo) SB 547 (Identical) Bill History: 04-08-13 H Filed 04-09-13 H Introduced and referred to committee on House Game and Fisheries 03-19-14 H Discussed in public hearing, House Game and Fisheries
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 5:37:12 GMT -5
Being as I'm one of them old farts who some wish to benefit with this sort of stuff, maybe I have an opinion that yinz might wish to consider? I had a whole lot of years in which to hunt bambis with 3 inches of bone sticking out of their heads and don't want to go back, nor do I feel that need to kill some think is very important. Most of us oldsters have way more time to spend in the woods than even the junior hunters, and many of us are actually pretty good at this hunting thing. If we aren't, it is our fault in misplaced priorities. Just my humble opinion, but there just isn't much more important than time spent carrying a camera, a weapon, or both in the woods or fields. If another's priorities are different, that is his/her choice, but please let the system alone. It isn't that important that I "kill something." We do still call it "hunting," not "shopping." If just killing something is all that is important, try doing your hunting at Food Lion.
Don't know if my curmudgeon buddy, DennyF, would agree, but I suspect so.
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Post by Dutch on Jun 14, 2014 5:40:33 GMT -5
Used to be tough seeing spikes for older hunters.
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Post by fleroo on Jun 16, 2014 8:45:39 GMT -5
Oh yes. The baby-boomers made it quite clear on another website some years ago, that ALMOST to the man, they were against being exempted. At the time, I wasn't moved, as my intention wasn't geared toward boomers (me included), but a "Greater" generation of men, that grew up in a hunting style that didn't include being enamored with antlers.
It is kind of funny though, that the Sr. boomers would just as soon cane a guy that suggests they be given a slight pass on such a matter. rofl
MELODY, thanks much. That's what I was looking for (well, much more actually). Appreciate it. thumbsup
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Post by dougell on Jun 16, 2014 9:12:31 GMT -5
Do you think it's the older fellas that want an exemption or the younger guys who they hunt with?My desire to kill anything has greatly diminished the last two years since my son started hunting.I just don't care at all anymore and I used to have a major predator mentality.Now I have so much fun soaking in my son's enthusiasm,it just doesn't matter.I do know that he wants to see me make some harvests and I could see him wanting an AR exemption for me when I'm past my prime.
I like AR even though I've never really been a trophy hunter.It's made me slow down and be more selective and I'd be fine with youth hunters having to abide by it.I'm trying to mind condition my son about being more selective but I doubt I'm having much of an impact.I have little doubt that he's gonna drop the first buck he sees this year.
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Post by johns on Jun 16, 2014 9:14:25 GMT -5
I don't know how old you are Fleroo, but it is insulting to many seniors to suggest they are not capable of doing things youbger folks can do and so they need an method to make it easier for them. Many are tired of the government using them to make points, after all how could anyone be opposed to something to help kids and seniors. There are special permits or the truley infirmed but those who are not infirmed do not like people telling them they are or using their age to push a social program to get points from voters.
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Post by fleroo on Jun 16, 2014 11:47:38 GMT -5
Honestly, a bit of both probably. I can GUARANTEE you, the majority of the fellas born in the 1920's or so, did NOT like AR. They grew up with "A buck has horns" period, and were satisfied taking any ole buck. I know the one's I spoke to about hunting and AR when it first hit, all had about that same type of thinking. Again, it's a non-issue for me now since those guys are either gone, or not hunting, for the most part. Myself, I like AR's, and my propensity to kill has completely diminished.
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Post by fleroo on Jun 16, 2014 11:55:27 GMT -5
No need for anybody to feel insulted over such a trivial, really meaningless thing, when we slot it in the grand scheme of life. As I stated to dce, it's a guarantee that our pap's of the WWII generation, did not care for AR. Yes, there is a big swing in mentality from them to the current baby-boomers, that want AR. And once again, I can care less about it now. My Uncle, who I wanted to see benefit from exemption, is gone. Was simply wondering if the bill had any legs since I heard it was proposed.
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Post by johns on Jun 16, 2014 12:39:42 GMT -5
I don't know where you are coming up with the baby boomer stuff. Baby boomers are very close to 70 yoa. It is their offspring that are the entitled bunch. You may not feel it is a big deal but when you get to be around 70 and people start to decide what you can and can't do because of age, and decide they need to create methods to assist you when you don't need assistance or ask for it, you may feel differently. It is presumptive and condescending. Not every senior belongs to AARP, not would we ever want to.
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Post by dougell on Jun 16, 2014 12:56:34 GMT -5
I agree John but most shouldn't be allowed to drive lol.
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