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Post by bowbum on Jun 5, 2014 8:09:02 GMT -5
Alas, if someone farts in Bradford County it is legitimately-technically called a "natural gas event!
Well, what anti-fracking people won't tell you is that last night there truly was a hazardous chemical spill into a fishery --- the Susquehanna River in Bradford County! Approximately 100+ gallons of a proprietary liquid, said to be, "similar to kerosene," was accidentally discharged into the river during a production run at "Global Tungsten" Corporation near Towanda! (Formerly Sylvania)
Oh wait....that's not a gas company!
And shucks, we haven't even questioned why they are right on the river bank and why Tom Corbett allowed them to have pipe's that go to the river. Now darn it, Corbett claimed credit for creating, planning and implementing "no new surface disturbance" on state lands but....not on waters?
Ok, let's see the anti tungsten folks jump on Global Tungsten for "the most major spillage into a fishery" on record in Bradford County.
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Post by bowbum on Jun 6, 2014 8:50:51 GMT -5
Ok all you concerned environmentalists ---- it's time for you to express outrage........maybe even call for an extraction tax on tungsten manufacturing?  |
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Post by Bill on Jun 12, 2014 10:33:57 GMT -5
Good Lord man, get a new schtick.
Perhaps, just perhaps, some of the ill feelings towards the gas industry would simmer down a bit if they and their paid politicians quit trying to circumvent doing things the right way.
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Post by bowbum on Jun 12, 2014 16:09:30 GMT -5
Since you are not upset about contaminating our rivers, why don't you tell us what that "right way" is Bill?
This guy should be a refreshing change:
On May 18th at a rally at Mount Wolf, Secretary Wolf stated, “Last year, we lost over 100,000 jobs in Pennsylvania. Those are the facts.”
However, according to the latest report from The US Bureau of Labor Statistics, 44,700 jobs were created in Pennsylvania from April 2013 to April 2014.
You, maybe, are another one who thinks selectively picking only one single corporation and raiding it to ease decades of poor policy is "the right way?"
I know you are shocked that corporations contribute to politicians who support them also.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 16:49:10 GMT -5
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Post by Bill on Jun 12, 2014 16:53:07 GMT -5
Doing things the right way means not trying to create legislation to circumvent perfectly fine processes that are already in place. Look at the bills that have been introduced lately that obviously have the gas drilling industry at their roots. All they are looking for is a short cut to do as they please.
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Post by bowbum on Jun 13, 2014 7:27:12 GMT -5
Doing things the right way means not trying to create legislation to circumvent perfectly fine processes that are already in place. Look at the bills that have been introduced lately that obviously have the gas drilling industry at their roots. All they are looking for is a short cut to do as they please. Is it a surprise to people that an industry tries to align political allies that will result in favorable legislation? My "indignation" is not over expected- traditional-classic political maneuvering....we can fight that at the polls. I sit back and watch the posts that are against things and supposedly that "against" position is based in concern for the environment, concern for sportsmen's future and so forth. Yet the concern is only applied selectively to one industry and there is absolutely no supportive comments made, in spite of an overwhelming history of positive events and actions by that industry.......many in support of and giving to environmental concerns. While there also is no indignation at violations and harm done to our environment that is done by other industries. I think these self professed environmentalists, so-called concerned outdoors people, do great harm to any cause when they bury their heads under that blanket of political loyalty! Actually I think some of it isn't politics but rather just a basic jealousy or greed --- that they think someone is getting rich and they want a hunk of it! |
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Post by Dutch on Jun 13, 2014 16:34:25 GMT -5
Am not in the least jealous of anyone, sorry.
I have no political loyalty, none.
I DO prefer that people not stretch the truth, which is what people on both sides of an issue do togain advantage.
People lie, and that's the truth.
I feel the state should lease no more state ground and sell into a gas glut.
I feel the severance tax issue needs to be looked at. It is not preventing drilling in any other state. We tax cigs, beer, gasoline, lottery winnings and gambling winnings, so why not nat gas?
I do not believe, in spite of gas industry claims, that the huge numbers of jobs claimed to have been created, were created. Purely exaggeration.
I also believe, for the most part, that drilling is generally safe. Gonna be some blowouts, chemical spills and what not, but some environmental damage occurs with most any endeavor. Farming is not without risk and has been proven to pollute, yet we need food, so, we dirty our own nest.
The overall solution to much of the worlds problems is population control and reduction. We simply have to many people vying for resources, and polluting our world. Eventually it catches up to us.
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Post by Dutch on Jun 13, 2014 16:38:05 GMT -5
BTW, we will have a severance tax in the end, even if Corbett were re-elected.
The Republicans want it and so do the Dems.
After the election, it will be voted in.
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Post by bowbum on Jun 14, 2014 8:19:34 GMT -5
I DO prefer that people not stretch the truth, which is what people on both sides of an issue do togain advantage. People lie, and that's the truth. I feel the state should lease no more state ground and sell into a gas glut. I feel the severance tax issue needs to be looked at. It is not preventing drilling in any other state. We tax cigs, beer, gasoline, lottery winnings and gambling winnings, so why not nat gas? I do not believe, in spite of gas industry claims, that the huge numbers of jobs claimed to have been created, were created. Purely exaggeration. I also believe, for the most part, that drilling is generally safe. Gonna be some blowouts, chemical spills and what not, but some environmental damage occurs with most any endeavor. Farming is not without risk and has been proven to pollute, yet we need food, so, we dirty our own nest. The overall solution to much of the worlds problems is population control and reduction. We simply have to many people vying for resources, and polluting our world. Eventually it catches up to us. Dutch, I actually agree with you on several things! The "truth" certainly gets stretched thin by both sides. I doubt the jobs numbers claimed. "BUT" yesterday the wife and I went for groceries and some electrical supplies at Lowes in Athens, PA ---40 miles tops! First off, there are 4 major new hotels in Sayre-Athens in the last two years. Secondly, on the way home in the first 6 miles we saw six, "Help Wanted" posters. Two were for CDL drivers, "willing to work overtime", one was for an "Aggregates technician," one was for a construction delivery person, $13.50 starting salary, one was for a diesel mechanic. There were others in the town of Towanda for service positions and truck drivers and again CDL drivers in Wyalusing where we see help wanted ads every day. This is an area that young people left to find minimum wage jobs 5 years ago. Again, we went to graduation on Thursday evening for the wife's grandson. In a graduating class of 97, more than 60 kids were destined for college! The superintendent attributed some of it to "improved economics through clean energy exploration in our area." Some of those kids were headed to Lackawana for "energy related studies." (which several colleges now offer). As for no more state land being leased because of a "glut." Leasing and selling gas are two entirely different things. A glut usually results in drilling being delayed or wells being idled. We have four wells near us that have been completed for some time but have not piped an ounce of gas into the system. The price of leases has gone down and to hold out is to lose value, especially when combined with inflation. You know, of course, that you and I are miles apart on the severance tax issue. You keep trying to use comparisons to other states….but you don't want to use that comparison for other issues! Also, to compare to cigarettes and booze is even more far fetched! Alcohol and tobacco cause enormous amounts of harm to our society and put an extreme burden on our health system! Consider the cost on one single drunk driver hitting another vehicle on our highways. First of course is the injury-death factor, with ambulances, non-insured drivers etc. Then secondary costs for fire, police, emergency and rescue…possibly towing etc. Many drunks are not insured and have nothing to take from them. Tobacco has the same state-burdened impact when people have nothing to pay the costs they place on taxpayers. Please tell me how you make that association considering ----- natural gas as an industry is a major part of a movement to cleaner energy, thereby being beneficial to health, they already pay tons of taxes, (even if getting some breaks), they provide employment, (even if exaggerated), is socially responsible as one of the best ever contributors to charities, schools, wildlife and beneficial organizations and disaster remediation? You know my position that to single out one industry --- over and above above all others, (that already has an impact fee and is beneficial in every fiscal manner), is socialism rearing it's ugly head! As far as you saying they are generally safe…..I honestly do have my concerns. I try to research reports and I have found the "exaggeration factor" is usually against the gas industry. But there are some irrefutable situations where people have suffered losses to their lifestyle and comfort. I do know of residential wells being ruined from gas operations. They are few, but when it is "your dream home" and you no longer can draw safe water from your well, no amount of compensation is adequate! The overall good then becomes questionable and I do understand that! Again, my biggest heehaw is when people present themselves as "concerned environmentalists" or caring about sportsmen's interest and then they decry the very industry that stands out as being the most responsible in those concerns. |
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Post by Dutch on Jun 14, 2014 14:36:11 GMT -5
There will be a severance tax, get used to it.
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Post by bowbum on Jun 14, 2014 17:27:34 GMT -5
There will be a severance tax, get used to it. I suspect you are right....the left is solid on it and the right is feeling pressure from people like you who think a free ride is at hand. |
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Post by Dutch on Jun 14, 2014 19:40:09 GMT -5
WOW! Feeling pressure from "people like you".
Yes, I have called numerous times about this in order that my GOP Rep and Senator know my feelings. NOT
"people like me"? Sounds like you consider me some sort of lowlife.......
Sorry dude, you are SO wrong about SO much.
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Post by bowbum on Jun 15, 2014 7:36:46 GMT -5
WOW! Feeling pressure from "people like you". Yes, I have called numerous times about this in order that my GOP Rep and Senator know my feelings. NOT "people like me"? Sounds like you consider me some sort of lowlife....... Sorry dude, you are SO wrong about SO much. Dutch, "like you" there are many who see a free ride on someone else's dime. You speak in supportive terms of it....relating those old "other states" mantra and you bemoan financial woes in the same context of discussing an additional government imposed tax on drillers. You need not "call" anyone. Public sentiment that lacks rebuking a socialist tax move is a loud and clear message of ---- go get some additional tax money from those who are strengthening our state anyway! Please save the "poor me....you're calling me a low life" ploy! There was no name calling or implication. (Other than supporting additional government intervention for a grab of money that does not belong to you) Enough people here are ready to say they've been picked on when no picking was done. You've failed in every attemp to show a "justified" reason to single out one economical and socially responsible beneficial industry for additional financial burdens. |
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Post by Dutch on Jun 15, 2014 10:26:07 GMT -5
Done discussing anything with you BB. Tired all the exclamation points.
Just tired of all of it.
You win. Everyone that thinks different than you is a socialist. Anyone that sells a business is "bad", unless it's your friend.
Just tired.
I have more important things to do than be here.
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Post by bowbum on Jun 16, 2014 8:01:25 GMT -5
Done discussing anything with you BB. Tired all the exclamation points. Just tired of all of it. You win. Everyone that thinks different than you is a socialist. Anyone that sells a business is "bad", unless it's your friend. Just tired. I have more important things to do than be here. Good move Brad. Your were looking pretty funny and very much off base there in comparing the impact of billions put in to our economy as a justification for a tax on somethings that TAKE billions out of our economy. Then there was that thing of comparing a business being sold in the normal context of a business transaction, to putting a business deep in debt, selling it to yourself at an extraordinary profit, thus putting your employees out of work and then purchasing that same business back at fire sale prices and bragging how you saved it! (Legally of course) The lesson to you that the term, "socialism, could be considered when a municipal entity simply picks an enterprise that is beneficial to it's economy to impose a tax that is over and above the normal tax structure placed on other businesses, in order to relieve it's ill managed debt, is a free lesson. Now you, Socialist or liberal or conservative, have that knowledge and it didn't cost you an extra tax penalty at all.  |
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