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Post by whilekioti on May 4, 2014 8:49:54 GMT -5
Far from all sportsmen would support this and I would bet the general public would oppose it overwhelmingly. I am hoping once the public gets wind of this, it will go away. Why, because YOU oppose it? I'd bet the "general public" would be "overwhelmingly" opposed to many of the things hunters and trappers are curently allowed by law to do. Are you sure you want the general public involved in hunting laws and regulations?
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Post by ridgecommander on May 4, 2014 8:57:49 GMT -5
The comparison is remarkable, I just watched Nancy Pelosi discussing why she lost the gavel in 2010, you two have many of the same talking points. You use the select high points of an incredibly stupid idea and make it seem plausible, kind of like explaining to all of your guests how the captain of you ship has never, ever hit an iceberg. Nice and calming too. I went to three gun stores last Tuesday, funny thing was I didn't see any "remmy 2400" or even one Browning BAR, both really nice firearms I guess, I have to guess because I've never in my life seen either, yet even Wal-Mart 2 miles up the road has a rack of assault weapons and so did all three gun stores, so lets quit BSing about your full intentions. LOL! Again dodging all of your hypocritical comments and positions. Is it the gun or the person?
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Post by bawanajim on May 4, 2014 9:01:47 GMT -5
The chicken or the egg?
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Post by ridgecommander on May 4, 2014 9:06:24 GMT -5
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Post by bawanajim on May 4, 2014 9:31:52 GMT -5
Since most people with Assault weapons have 10-30 round magazines, they must be far better shots than hunters who only fire 10 rounds or less per year, heck a day or two at the range and your tactical assault rife shooters have several life times of experience.
And of course with this bountiful experience and the devastating killing power of the 223 cartridge military class cartridges will come less wounding.
I'm sure the night vision capabilities easily adapted to these weapons will make it safer to shoot in low light conditions that we find early and late in the days.
And the addition of collapsible stocks will make todays under sized youths feel right at home in the woods and fields of PA.
And if the attorney general of this once great country thought enough of these weapons to give them to our cross boarder friends for the "fast and furious " program, who am I to question their use in saving Pennsylvania's forest from the assaults on them by our very own deer.
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Post by ridgecommander on May 4, 2014 9:46:27 GMT -5
And of course with this bountiful experience and the devastating killing power of the 223 cartridge military class cartridges will come less wounding. Huh? The bill is for predators and vermin. The .223 and less centerfire are quite capable in that department. Most use around there now. Huh? Deer? The bill is for predators and vermin.
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Post by bawanajim on May 4, 2014 9:53:53 GMT -5
Keep telling your self that,.................
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Post by ridgecommander on May 4, 2014 9:55:16 GMT -5
Keep telling your self that,................. I don't have too. That is the bill.
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Post by ridgecommander on May 4, 2014 11:32:58 GMT -5
BTW, I do support game agencies deciding which firearms for hunting and I would support semis for all hunting in Pennsylvania. With that said, this bill is for very specific seasons and species. Fanning the flames with the same talking points that the antis use, instead of helping to put the fires out with the facts that are readily available is truly the only thing "destructive" in this thread or within the bill.
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Post by bawanajim on May 4, 2014 12:31:40 GMT -5
I have read and written, on many forums for untold years, and thru the deer wars and such hot topics, yet never have I met any one so intellectually absent from an important discussion.
These guns are popular with gamers and many recreational shooters as we have a deluge of surplus war veterans and gamers many who never touched a rifle before joining the military. This coupled with a democratic president that has made no secret of his disposition of all firearms, but by using a ploy that you have stolen from their play book this prohibition starts with just a few weapons, just like your plan starts with just a few "vermin", no surprises there.
These weapons are built and designed to simply kill humans, and they do an excellent job of it which we are reminded of all to often on our evening news.
The only plus to the huge sale of these weapons is added funds to our Pitman- Roberts funds, they have not added numbers or supports to hunter ranks. On another down side, the two local clubs I belong to are being torn apart by the dilemma of needing new members and growing club coffers, and the banning of assault weapons and their shooters from club grounds, like most clubs the grounds work is tended to by retired members who donate their time and money to club maintenance, which is greatly appreciated, yet the battle of attrition with the AK & AR crowd shooting up the back stops, trees and signs that ask them not to do that is growing old, not to mention the "brass" clean up, that these shooters never seem to have time to do, least of all no one wants to shoot along side the spray crowd. Some ones gotta go! With all of the good things hunting provides for our neighbors, friend and families and why anyone world promote a bill that will destroy all of that baffles me. You think that having these twits hunting among us is a great Idea, I find it absurd
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Post by ridgecommander on May 4, 2014 12:44:11 GMT -5
I have read and written, on many forums for untold years, and thru the deer wars and such hot topics, yet never have I met any one so intellectually absent from an important discussion. Intellectually absent. Which slight is next in line, LOL. The discussion is very important so I am not sure why your superior intellect would allow you to put forth so many hypocritical and contradicting statements. Many of the antis are at least consistent in their message when discussing guns. Yours changes like the wind in the hollows of Washington County during gun discussions. Ceasefirepa.com is calling your name. Can you hear it? Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim........... I know many that felt your way but they have changed their tune in a hurry lately and are quite comfortable in their new heading. Unfortunately, it is a uphill battle because many ignore the facts and cling to stereotypes and mistruths to win the battle. You can relate, probably.
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Post by ridgecommander on May 9, 2014 10:53:20 GMT -5
Quite a few sponsors have signed onto the bill. Not a huge Causer fan but it is good to see him signed onto it.
LUCAS, CAUSER, D. COSTA, DENLINGER, EVANKOVICH, C. HARRIS, KORTZ, KRIEGER, McGEEHAN, METZGAR, MILLARD, MULLERY, MURT, PEIFER, PYLE, SANKEY, SONNEY, HARHAI, METCALFE and STEVENSON Printer's No.(PN): 3493*
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Post by blackbruin on May 20, 2014 11:16:21 GMT -5
Not in favor of it, but it's not my decision either, can't wait to hear some idiot spraying zombie ammo over the hillside!
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Post by Dutch on May 20, 2014 14:53:00 GMT -5
I can see you concern but we have idiots with lever actions and pumps spraying now.
If they ever legalize semi's, I would bet there would be a 5 shot mag restriction, just to allay people's fears.
Meanwhile, the lever guns and pumps would have more.
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Post by blackbruin on May 20, 2014 15:20:45 GMT -5
All I did use was pumps or levers, now hardly any centerfire rifles, just a flintlock. My main gun was a .35 Whelen pump, followed by a model 99 .358 Winchester. My oldest just started shooting a 35 Remington lever.....
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Post by Dutch on May 20, 2014 15:27:41 GMT -5
All I did use was pumps or levers, now hardly any centerfire rifles, just a flintlock. My main gun was a .35 Whelen pump, followed by a model 99 .358 Winchester. My oldest just started shooting a 35 Remington lever..... BTW, not inferring you are an idiot with your pumps and levers, but we have them amongst us. I use it simply as a reference point on how we already have guns that "spray" in the woods. And like I said, I am confident the PGC would put a mag restriction on them.
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Post by Muab Dib on May 20, 2014 15:47:19 GMT -5
Always wanted to trick out a Ruger 10-22 and shoot some squirrels when that was all rage. I'd have to agree with Dutch, let'm in and cap the mags. Pumps and levers in the hands of a "sprayer" are no less dangerous. It's all in the one behind the trigger.
Muab
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Post by bushmaster on May 20, 2014 18:00:03 GMT -5
"It's all in the one behind the trigger."
You hit nail square on the head with that comment!
Doesn't matter what we shoot, there will always be an idiot or 2 or 3 behind the trigger!
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Post by cspot on May 20, 2014 20:08:27 GMT -5
"It's all in the one behind the trigger." You hit nail square on the head with that comment! Doesn't matter what we shoot, there will always be an idiot or 2 or 3 behind the trigger! There are people that I wouldn't hunt with even if they used a single shot.
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Post by ridgecommander on May 21, 2014 13:25:43 GMT -5
Got word this bill may be in front of the committee in early June! For those that support moving this issue forward, keep your communications going and thank you!
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Post by ridgecommander on Jun 9, 2014 16:55:52 GMT -5
In committee today. 23 yes, 0 no and 2 no votes. Wow!! It has a chance.
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Post by Dutch on Jun 9, 2014 16:58:24 GMT -5
In committee today. 23 yes, 0 no and 2 no votes. Wow!! It has a chance. Of course it does, when it's for yotes, anything goes. PFSC supported this proposal at it's Spring Convention, which shocked me.
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