Act 13, could be a game changer.

[bawanajim]

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This Leadership and planning being the keys to our future.

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Well, I was just trying to figure out where you were going here... kind of out of context for me. I had to look up Act 13.

"Act 13 of 2012 enacted stronger environmental standards, authorized local governments to adopt an impact fee and built upon the state's ongoing efforts to move towards energy independence as unconventional gas development continues. Among the Act's provisions are increased setback requirements for unconventional gas development; enhanced protection of water supplies; and strong, uniform, consistent statewide environmental standards."

Trying to figure out why we'd want to shift funds from protecting the resource to reducing(?) hunting license fees, that are already bargain-basement?

[bawanajim]

I tried telling you why.

We need to grow our numbers through a simplification of the process and add inclusiveness into the process.

[bawanajim]

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Oct 31, 2013 9:22:52 GMT -5 bawanajim said:

Buying a new fuel efficient mechanically sound road grader is a smart long term investment for a rural township, building a flower park with a beautiful flowing fountain is not, both are feasible one is foolish.

Not so foolish... there's a time and a place for everything, and who's to say that funding for a "flower park" comes out of that source? I mean, are you manufacturing drama here?!

I feel like I've waded into a conversation you're having with yourself?!

[bawanajim]

You're wading alright.

There should never, ever be public funding for a flower park, I hate flowers.

And I get the same feeling talking to some of the states residents, it really is no wonder we are in the fiscal mess we are in, folks just don't care about their own future, as long as judge Judy is on at noon and the pretty girl is on the evening news, well things must be good.

I speak to them, yet I wonder who really hears.

Like here, the biggest funding opportunity of our life times and we would rather argue over the cost of a tank of gas or why they need one. Stepping over the dollars to piss away the dimes, its the American way.

[bowbum]

Act 13 was, "is," a political welfare maneuver to steal money from landowners --- period!
It allows a so-called "impact fee" of a half million dollars per deep gas well drilled.

In truth the real impacts of drilling are; totally rebuilt roads, incredible new job opportunities, every school, hospital, public library, fire company and each and every beneficial organization and charitable group receives benefits by the millions of dollars already contributed by gas companies. Not to mention that after natural disasters like the floods two years ago, most gas-related companies donated thousands of hours of manpower and millions of dollars in equipment to assist in clean up and rebuild efforts.
 
Sadly, only 40 percent of that "phony" fee is returned to the gas regions and the rest is given to the big cities to help support their free loaders.

I called my rep, Tina, (give me free food), Pickett and she justified her vote by saying; Oh yes, I agree, the gas companies have rebuilt every road they use to standards never before seen but --- who is going to maintain and repair those roads once they are gone?   What a moron!
First off, the truck traffic is only until the wells are on line and then everything happens via pipeline, Secondly the roads are rebuilt to 50 year standards and need only minimal up keep. They were done better than the original construction and previously these roads were "pie crust" roads with minimum topping.
She took the same approach to the charitable acts by asking me; "Do you really believe they aren't doing this for public relations?" Moron doubled! Of course you idiot they want to look great in the public eye but the end result is the same....everyone benefits!

Next I told her I expect that the gas companies, being in a low profit gas situation at present, would find a way to recoup that 1/2 million per well. She assured me that would not, could not happen! Da, "trust me, we've covered every base on this."

Ok, forward to today! Chesapeake, on the verge of bankruptcy, has cut jobs, discontinued any charitable contributions --- even eliminated that department, and guess what ---- started deducting the cost of post production expenses from landowners royalties!
Chesapeake has it's own evil background and poor management-planning and thus has sold many leases and is not renewing many others and has sold interest in other in-process wells.
Most other companies have scaled back also because of a non-profitable, (or low profit), market but certainly heaped on expenses for a well before it is even proven is a major contributor to the decline.

Act 13 is not "the blame" for poor decisions in a poor gas market, but that welfare mentality has cost a hell of a lot more than it has benefited this region.

In the history of this region previous major road and land-use industries were logging, coal mining, quarrying and farming.
"None" has ever rebuilt a road. "None" have ever measured up 1/1000th of the contributions to local disaster assist and charitable work.
"ALL" have decimated the earth, our streams, our forests and our roads.

[bawanajim]

Bitching is simply easier.

[bawanajim]

Oct 31, 2013 10:47:13 GMT -5 bowbum said:

Act 13 was, "is," a political welfare maneuver to steal money from landowners --- period!
It allows a so-called "impact fee" of a half million dollars per deep gas well drilled.

In truth the real impacts of drilling are; totally rebuilt roads, incredible new job opportunities, every school, hospital, public library, fire company and each and every beneficial organization and charitable group receives benefits by the millions of dollars already contributed by gas companies. Not to mention that after natural disasters like the floods two years ago, most gas-related companies donated thousands of hours of manpower and millions of dollars in equipment to assist in clean up and rebuild efforts.
 
Sadly, only 40 percent of that "phony" fee is returned to the gas regions and the rest is given to the big cities to help support their free loaders.

I called my rep, Tina, (give me free food), Pickett and she justified her vote by saying; Oh yes, I agree, the gas companies have rebuilt every road they use to standards never before seen but --- who is going to maintain and repair those roads once they are gone?   What a moron!
First off, the truck traffic is only until the wells are on line and then everything happens via pipeline, Secondly the roads are rebuilt to 50 year standards and need only minimal up keep. They were done better than the original construction and previously these roads were "pie crust" roads with minimum topping.
She took the same approach to the charitable acts by asking me; "Do you really believe they aren't doing this for public relations?" Moron doubled! Of course you idiot they want to look great in the public eye but the end result is the same....everyone benefits!


Next I told her I expect that the gas companies, being in a low profit gas situation at present, would find a way to recoup that 1/2 million per well. She assured me that would not, could not happen! Da, "trust me, we've covered every base on this."

Ok, forward to today! Chesapeake, on the verge of bankruptcy, has cut jobs, discontinued any charitable contributions --- even eliminated that department, and guess what ---- started deducting the cost of post production expenses from landowners royalties!
Chesapeake has it's own evil background and poor management-planning and thus has sold many leases and is not renewing many others and has sold interest in other in-process wells.
Most other companies have scaled back also because of a non-profitable, (or low profit), market but certainly heaped on expenses for a well before it is even proven is a major contributor to the decline.

Act 13 is not "the blame" for poor decisions in a poor gas market, but that welfare mentality has cost a hell of a lot more than it has benefited this region.

In the history of this region previous major road and land-use industries were logging, coal mining, quarrying and farming.
"None" has ever rebuilt a road. "None" have ever measured up 1/1000th of the contributions to local disaster assist and charitable work.
"ALL" have decimated the earth, our streams, our forests and our roads.

This is the mind set facing our future, I don't think I can make my point any clearer, shorter yes, more pertinent, no!

[bawanajim]

Ok, I'm done, you can go back to the indepht stuff like the Wal-Mart sale price on ground round this week.

Keep it movin.... get it on and move along... nothin to see here.. and less to care about.

[melody]

Oct 31, 2013 0:49:28 GMT -5 bawanajim said:

So will the leadership at the PGC and PBFC use these funds to make lasting changes and use fiscal restraint or will it be the straw that breaks the back of common sense conservation initiatives that our state will need to protect the states wildlife for years to come?

I can't express how important the proper planning of this windfall could be to the future of hunting in PA.

I'm not sure what windfall you are referring to? confused-smiley-013

The PFBC receives $1 million per year from Act 13 funds, but they are limited to using it for permit reviews for unconventional gas wells only. The funds can not be used towards the added costs to the agency in relation to oversight or enforcement they must now expend related to drilling, etc.

The PGC does not receive any Act 13 monies.

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An old adage I live by - If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

[johns]

Reminds me of something from Shakespeare, "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing". As far as I can tell act 13 has nothing to do with getting money to be used to lower hunting license pricing.

[bawanajim]

No one is blinder than those who refuse to see, and with so many this is the responce we are getting, the courts have not made a final decision... yet...... did any one hear me mention the word planning?

[bawanajim]

Oct 31, 2013 13:26:33 GMT -5 johns said:

Reminds me of something from Shakespeare, "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing". As far as I can tell act 13 has nothing to do with getting money to be used to lower hunting license pricing.

Don't you have ticks to pick!

[bawanajim]

[quote author="melody" source="/post/33848/thread" timestamp="1383242281The PGC does not receive any Act 13 monies.

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PGC Has not yet recieved act 13 monies would be a truer statement.

[bowbum]

Jeepers there old BJ you sure did a bunch of "editing" of most all you post now that you've back tracked on what was said --- must be you're an editor or sumptin

[bawanajim]

Oct 31, 2013 14:08:43 GMT -5 bowbum said:

Jeepers there old BJ you sure did a bunch of "editing" of most all you post now that you've back tracked on what was said --- must be you're an editor or sumptin

Just some thing I'm sure you have never read.

Albert Einstein is reported to have asked his fellow physicist and friend Niels Bohr, one of the founding fathers of quantum mechanics, whether he realistically believed that 'the moon does not exist if nobody is looking at it.' To this Bohr replied that however hard he (Einstein) may try, he would not be able to prove that it does.


I can be of no further help to you.

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An Einstein quote, "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."

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And one from Niels Bohr to sleep on, "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth."

[bawanajim]

Opinion is the medium between knowledge and ignorance

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LOL, Plato I believe. I'm glad for the guidance; from now on I am justified in ignoring your opinions because I only trust in knowledge.  I must, however, at times, admit I believe your ignorance is only eclipsed by your arrogance.