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Post by melody on May 7, 2013 21:01:02 GMT -5
HB 1359 By Toepel. Amends the act entitled "an act providing a fixed charge on lands acquired by the State & Federal Government for forest reserves," further providing for an annual charge for tax-exempt lands.
Introduced today, on the calendar for the Finance Committee next week.
Amends the act entitled "an act providing a fixed charge on lands acquired by the State & Federal Government for forest reserves," changing the number of leased parcels of Commonwealth-owned lands from 75 or more to 30 or more subject to the annual fixed payment for tax-exempt forest land under the act.
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Post by davetm on May 9, 2013 8:47:56 GMT -5
Actually, if I understand this correctly....this isn't bad law. It's good law. There is properties located within the boundaries of School Districts that cannot be developed into either commercial or residential properties because these lands have been set aside as parks and recreation areas for all to enjoy. And that's a good thing.
OTOH, since no development can ever occur on these lands, no tax can ever be imposed on these lands by the District. Not even a tax on the raw land itself.
So, this law would allow the said District to impose a "what if" tax on said land. Most Districts receive a payment of this type now, but apparently this amendment is for a few Districts that don't.
At least that's what I glean from it.
Dave
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Post by johns on May 9, 2013 10:43:09 GMT -5
Heaven forbid there was a piece of land the politicians can't suck money out of!! That no developement is a two edged sword, no developement means no municipal services, so the owner is paying for not having any municipal services. Hardly seems fair.
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Post by Dutch on May 9, 2013 11:15:21 GMT -5
John, there was a study years ago about just what you stated. It actually showed that homeowners low tax rates were being subsidized by farm and forest landowners. Those lands, like you said, required little services, yet paid more than their share to subsidize the services homeowners needed.
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Post by johns on May 9, 2013 12:13:53 GMT -5
Brad, I think our club is a prime example of that, we have no municiple services and yet they jacked up out property tax on the rental property.
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Post by Dutch on May 9, 2013 12:23:18 GMT -5
We were victims of a general reassessment, nothing more.
In the meantime, our fields, under CREP, are subsidized by the US taxpayers.
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Post by davetm on May 9, 2013 13:53:28 GMT -5
You have no municipal roads that lead to your club?
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Post by bake545 on May 9, 2013 13:57:09 GMT -5
I think property taxes should be abolished. We are supposed to have a right to private property in this country but we never really own it, the gov't does. It's a mortgage for life or as long you own it. There has to be a better and fairer way to pay for municipal/school services.
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Post by Dutch on May 9, 2013 14:48:50 GMT -5
I think property taxes should be abolished. We are supposed to have a right to private property in this country but we never really own it, the gov't does. It's a mortgage for life or as long you own it. There has to be a better and fairer way to pay for municipal/school services. Trust me Bake, IF they ever reform the school tax system, a FAR greater portion will fall on those between 20 and 65 because the senior citizens are looking to be property tax free, which leaves only those under 65 to foot the bill. It won't be fairer, trust me. |
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Post by bake545 on May 9, 2013 15:48:19 GMT -5
I think property taxes should be abolished. We are supposed to have a right to private property in this country but we never really own it, the gov't does. It's a mortgage for life or as long you own it. There has to be a better and fairer way to pay for municipal/school services. Trust me Bake, IF they ever reform the school tax system, a FAR greater portion will fall on those between 20 and 65 because the senior citizens are looking to be property tax free, which leaves only those under 65 to foot the bill. It won't be fairer, trust me. Not sure I have a problem with them paying less. Not zero, but less. They don't have kids in school so why should they pay for it. Why should my parents and grandparents pay for my kids to go to school? They should pay their fair share of municipal taxes though. |
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Post by Dutch on May 9, 2013 16:08:35 GMT -5
They should pay because their parents paid for them. If we taxed only those that had kids in school, you would not be able to eat. This tax reform stuff is not about fairness, its about putting more burden on those less than 65, and THAT is all it is about. I am tired of people complaining about how they are over taxed and only want to tax "the other guy." Most of it comes from Baby Boomers who complain about everything and accept no responsibility for their action.  |
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Post by galthatfishes on May 9, 2013 21:37:43 GMT -5
You have no municipal roads that lead to your club? As I understand it, we do not. The homeowners got together and paved part of the road on their own dime. About 1/2 is unpaved, and we pay the farmer to grade it and pay to bring in stone. |
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Post by bake545 on May 10, 2013 9:06:52 GMT -5
If we taxed only those that had kids in school, you would not be able to eat. I actually think it wouldn't be that bad. With a smaller pool of money the schools wouldn't be able to spend as much. They'd be forced to spend the money solely on education and not unecessary things like over the top athletic complexes, etc. By spreading it out over the entire population you aren't making it as painful. If it was more painful people would put a stop to a lot of things that go on currently. Now they don't have enough reason to care enough. It's the same with taxes, if you made people save the money and pay once a year rather than withhold it they'd see the lump sum they are paying and most likely getting pretty pissed. When you withhold it, it's like it wasn't even yours to begin with. Colleges are starting to price them selves out the market for much of the same reasons, but thats voluntary. Keeping up with the Jones' gets expensive. |
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Post by davetm on May 10, 2013 13:42:33 GMT -5
You have no municipal roads that lead to your club? As I understand it, we do not. The homeowners got together and paved part of the road on their own dime. About 1/2 is unpaved, and we pay the farmer to grade it and pay to bring in stone. Well......at some point in time, you drive on a municipal road to get on a state road to get to your private road. It all flushes down the same pipe in the end. |
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Post by Dutch on May 10, 2013 13:42:48 GMT -5
Majority of school spending is on salaries. Teacher salaries.
If you knock out sports, and I'm ALL for it, you don't save very much.
Until you address salary and pension issues, you ain't gonna save much.
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Post by davetm on May 10, 2013 13:46:45 GMT -5
When it comes to the subject of taxes, IMHO....it's not really about the payment of the tax. Everyone understands that roads are not free and schools are not free and the State Police don't work for free, etc.
What people are really ticked off about is the waste in Government. And it's not about splitting hairs. It's the obvious outlandish pork-barrel waste. That's the real crux of the matter.
If we could cut the waste, the fist pounding would be a lot less. Never eliminated, but just a lot less.
Dave
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Post by Dutch on May 10, 2013 13:49:22 GMT -5
For as long as I've been alive, people have said the government has to cut "waste". Hasn't happened yet and I ain't holding my breath.
Congress keeps voting to keep bases open that aren't needed, weapons programs that aren't wanted, and research projects about why the chicken crossed the road, well, you get my drift.
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Post by davetm on May 10, 2013 13:52:33 GMT -5
Dutch.....if you hold your breath, and I hold my breath, we will both die in short notice. And the waste will continue. So....I'm not holding my breath.....but I am gonna keep reloading and shooting. Because I can......and it's fun.
Dave
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Post by Dutch on May 10, 2013 13:54:27 GMT -5
Dutch.....if you hold your breath, and I hold my breath, we will both die in short notice. And the waste will continue. So....I'm not holding my breath.....but I am gonna keep reloading and shooting. Because I can......and it's fun. Dave ;D |
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Post by bake545 on May 10, 2013 13:55:26 GMT -5
Majority of school spending is on salaries. Teacher salaries. If you knock out sports, and I'm ALL for it, you don't save very much. Until you address salary and pension issues, you ain't gonna save much. Regardless of where the costs are if the pool of money was less, so would there costs. It's common sense. Unlike the Feds, the locals can't print money. |
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Post by Dutch on May 10, 2013 13:57:14 GMT -5
No, they don't print money, they just keep raising taxes and giving 3% raises every year when no one I know is getting 3% raises.
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Post by Dutch on May 10, 2013 13:59:22 GMT -5
On top of that, the school board, a bunch of rich people, keep saying, "we are in the top three districts in the county with test scores, we don't want to fall to number 4, so, pay up."
Meanwhile, the cheapest district in the county is probably number 4..........
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2013 19:16:59 GMT -5
I'm against all property taxes because nobody actually owns their property , they rent it from the county and local governments.
I'm also against Federal, State, and Local Governments owing property.
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Post by zimmerstutzen on May 11, 2013 19:28:29 GMT -5
Sorry, ilt's are an outdated needless drain on tax revenues
Yes it is land they can't tax,but people pay a premium to live next to such reserves, parks, etc.
Those premium lots bring increased taxes by their higher value caused by proximity to the public land
Accordingly ilt payments are a useless drain to greedy local agencies
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