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Post by jwk on Mar 21, 2024 16:13:10 GMT -5
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Mar 21, 2024 16:38:48 GMT -5
Not hard to believe with the weak leader we have in the White House. Seems our government also lost the paperwork of 200,000 illegal emigrants, so now they don’t need to report in 5, 10, 20 years. Wounder if they ever lost the paper work of 200,000 tax returns.🤣
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Post by jwk on Mar 21, 2024 16:44:00 GMT -5
Not hard to believe with the weak leader we have in the White House. Seems our government also lost the paperwork of 200,000 illegal emigrants, so now they don’t need to report in 5, 10, 20 years. Wounder if they ever lost the paper work of 200,000 tax returns.🤣 Crazy, I hope people wake up. I still have hope but if we get 4 more years of this we will be a much different country.
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Post by davet on Mar 21, 2024 17:14:36 GMT -5
I watched something interesting last evening about a town that passed a law making it illegal for the local meat plant (I can't recall if it was beef or chicken) to hire an undocumented worker.
But the problem is there are always jobs available, but no US Citizens are applying, and those that take jobs will quit soon after they realize the work is tough. But immigrants are more than happy to do the dirty work associated with killing beef and\or chickens.
The results of this is the plant cannot hire needed workers. The local economy will suffer as the wages that would have been paid to immigrants are not happening. The housing in the area will go vacant as available units won't get filled because of the "no job for you" law.
And IMHO, the crazy part is the business MUST make a profit!! If labor isn't there to work and allow that to happen (if the plant is under utilized) then the option for the plant owners is to shut it down.
On what planet does this make sense? The work is grueling and dirty and immigrants are more than happy to do this because there is no work in their countries. US Citizens won't do the job because it's grueling and dirty.
There has to be a better way.
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Post by jwk on Mar 21, 2024 17:31:40 GMT -5
Just bring them in legally. Go through the process that every other immigrant went through.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 21, 2024 17:32:18 GMT -5
I watched something interesting last evening about a town that passed a law making it illegal for the local meat plant (I can't recall if it was beef or chicken) to hire an undocumented worker. But the problem is there are always jobs available, but no US Citizens are applying, and those that take jobs will quit soon after they realize the work is tough. But immigrants are more than happy to do the dirty work associated with killing beef and\or chickens. The results of this is the plant cannot hire needed workers. The local economy will suffer as the wages that would have been paid to immigrants are not happening. The housing in the area will go vacant as available units won't get filled because of the "no job for you" law. And IMHO, the crazy part is the business MUST make a profit!! If labor isn't there to work and allow that to happen (if the plant is under utilized) then the option for the plant owners is to shut it down. On what planet does this make sense? The work is grueling and dirty and immigrants are more than happy to do this because there is no work in their countries. US Citizens won't do the job because it's grueling and dirty. There has to be a better way. I saw that last night. In the past, way back, it was immigrants that worked the Chicago slaughterhouses. And it's true, most people don't want to do that work. We have a Tyson facility here that is mostly immigrants now. Used to be many whites worked there, but over the past 30 years that has changed. We have a major ag business a couple miles away that milks more than 1500 cows per day, mostly immigrants. Five million chickens for egg laying, and again, mostly immigrants. Are we seeing a trend? This country needs workers.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 21, 2024 17:34:18 GMT -5
Just bring them in legally. Go through the process that every other immigrant went through. But Trump mostly stopped immigration. So, we ended up with a worker shortage, which causes wages to go up. I saw it was going to happen, and then people complained when kids made $15 an hour at Burger King....
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Post by davet on Mar 21, 2024 18:15:21 GMT -5
Just bring them in legally. Go through the process that every other immigrant went through. And how’s that working out so far? BTW, when Orange Man was prez he succeeded in reducing legal immigration. Not illegal immigration’s.
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Post by rusty on Mar 21, 2024 18:38:15 GMT -5
The plan that was worked out by the bipartisan group and was favored by the border workers would have made the situation much better, but the maga god told his servants to kill it.
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Post by moosemike on Mar 22, 2024 5:02:39 GMT -5
We need workers. But a never ending flood will topple our entire system.
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Post by davet on Mar 22, 2024 5:32:20 GMT -5
We need workers. But a never ending flood will topple our entire system. That's the "message" anti-immigration people\groups want to keep in the forefront. At one point, everyone who came was an "illegal immigrant". And how is the system going to topple? These immigrants don't come to be put up in a low rate motel, get a free phone, and a welfare card for the rest of their lives. They come for the same reasons We stay. They come for the opportunity to build a better life for themselves and their families. Are there "bad apples"? Of course. But we "grow" multiple times the bad apples right here. Anytime there's a free program there is always a % of people who will scam it. Always. That includes US Citizens and immigrants.....illegal or legal. Solution? Strap on your boots and get to work.
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Post by moosemike on Mar 22, 2024 6:17:00 GMT -5
Because they're getting Government assistance. It's untenable. This Government is already broke now it wants to make programs available to all illegals.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 22, 2024 6:21:25 GMT -5
We need workers. But a never ending flood will topple our entire system. Agreed. If I voiced my opinion about what I'd do at the border, I'd be put in jail probably
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Post by jwk on Mar 22, 2024 8:23:18 GMT -5
Because they're getting Government assistance. It's untenable. This Government is already broke now it wants to make programs available to all illegals. I agree, I welcome legal immigration that is how this country was built, but what is going now on is not sustainable.
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Post by jwk on Mar 22, 2024 8:37:01 GMT -5
Quote from A Tyson Foods Rep. telling the reason they are closing the plant in Iowa.
"We would like to employ another 42,000 if we could find them," Dolan said.
The company is disputing the report, releasing a statement on their website accusing the article of "misinformation."
"In recent days, there has been a lot of misinformation in the media about our company, and we feel compelled to set the record straight," Tyson said in the statement. "Tyson Foods is strongly opposed to illegal immigration, and we led the way in participating in the two major government programs to help employers combat unlawful employment, E-Verify and the Mutual Agreement between Government and Employers (IMAGE) program."
"Tyson Foods employs 120,000 team members in the U.S., all of whom are required to be legally authorized to work in this country," the statement adds. "We have a history of strong hiring practices, and anybody who is legally able is welcome to apply to open job listings."
So it sounds like if they had 42,000 legal immigrants they would hire them. We should be able to fast track the ones that have entered legally and are just waiting for citizenship. I wonder if we stopped giving welfare to people that are physically able to work would help solve the worker shortage problem?
I know I don't want some unvetted illegal that nobody knows anything about anywhere near my food source.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Mar 22, 2024 9:15:35 GMT -5
We need workers. But a never ending flood will topple our entire system. Agreed. If I voiced my opinion about what I'd do at the border, I'd be put in jail probably Maybe we could get a cell together.🤣
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Post by rusty on Mar 22, 2024 16:18:37 GMT -5
Yes, it's areal shame, but you should have seen what American citizens attempted on January 6, 2021.
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Post by acorn20 on Mar 22, 2024 18:22:27 GMT -5
Well, there's a lot of difference between what happened January 6th and what happened at the border the other day. On January 6th, a Capital security guard shot an unarmed, female American citizen in the face and killed her and at the border, not a f*****g shot was fired at the illegals.
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Post by Loggy on Mar 22, 2024 18:53:46 GMT -5
The illegals causing harm to LEO at the border are no different than those 1/6 criminals climbing our Capitals walls & breaking thru barriers harming LEO/destroying taxpayer's property in effort to thwart the legal transfer of power. All should have been swiftly neutralized saving us taxpayers $$ from prosecution & housing such scum in prison not the fk'ed saluted and pardoned..
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Post by stroupy on Mar 22, 2024 20:11:17 GMT -5
The amount of child trafficking that goes on at the border is enough for everyone to say enough but they have to throw politics in. The damn mothers give their daughters birth control because they know what's going to happen.... This administration has allowed it too. Now when the polls say that the border is an important issue they want to fix it before the next election. Legal immigration good running across the border is bad. That should be a bipartisan agreement but it isn't. I know it's not suitable for my daughters and no one else's either.
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Post by davet on Mar 22, 2024 20:27:44 GMT -5
Well, there's a lot of difference between what happened January 6th and what happened at the border the other day. On January 6th, a Capital security guard shot an unarmed, female American citizen in the face and killed her and at the border, not a f*****g shot was fired at the illegals. That’s a very toned down version of what happen. So, if a woman smashed a window in your house, had a backpack on that you had no idea what was in it, and you stood there with a gun pointed at her yelling STOP…and she kept coming, you would..?..offer a cup of coffee?
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Post by jwk on Mar 22, 2024 22:23:52 GMT -5
Well, there's a lot of difference between what happened January 6th and what happened at the border the other day. On January 6th, a Capital security guard shot an unarmed, female American citizen in the face and killed her and at the border, not a f*****g shot was fired at the illegals. That’s a very toned down version of what happen. So, if a woman smashed a window in your house, had a backpack on that you had no idea what was in it, and you stood there with a gun pointed at her yelling STOP…and she kept coming, you would..?..offer a cup of coffee? would you offer a cup of coffee to someone storming the border? Actually you probably would.
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Post by jwk on Mar 22, 2024 22:36:35 GMT -5
Well, there's a lot of difference between what happened January 6th and what happened at the border the other day. On January 6th, a Capital security guard shot an unarmed, female American citizen in the face and killed her and at the border, not a f*****g shot was fired at the illegals. You are 100% right. These leftists that put illegal aliens above American citizens are disgusting. They celebrate the relentless attack on anyone that challenges or questions them. Liberals are so hell bent on destroying this country and their loyal followers are too stupid to see it. She was not only an American citizen but she served her country in the armed forces. You have to wonder why four of the capital police committed suicide not long after the jan 6.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 22, 2024 22:41:22 GMT -5
She was an army veteran that understood that she was illegally in the Capitol. There were no innocent bystanders in there that day.
My wife,former Marine, says she took an oath to uphold the Constitution, and that wasn't just for the four years she served.....
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Post by jwk on Mar 22, 2024 22:51:00 GMT -5
She was an army veteran that understood that she was illegally in the Capitol. There were no innocent bystanders in there that day. My wife,former Marine, says she took an oath to uphold the Constitution, and that wasn't just for the four years she served..... Tell you wife thank you for her service! Yeah but illegals storming the border is okay.
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