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Post by davet on Mar 20, 2024 18:28:05 GMT -5
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Post by jwk on Mar 20, 2024 19:56:13 GMT -5
Equally disadvantaged students in urban Catholic schools outperform their public school peers and are far less likely to drop out." I know several in education that I consider experts in their fields. (No...not just teachers) It's known that parents who send their kids to Catholic or Private schools have much emphasis on education. They put education at the top of the list and if the child needs help, they will not only pay the private school tuition, but they will also pay for outside tutoring. To compare those children in Catholic\Private schools to public schools is a mistake. That's not to say parents who send their kids to public schools don't place great emphasis on education and grades. A lot do. The problem is when you try to compare the stats of public schools to private schools. It starts with the parent(s) and the family. Well thank you captain obvious. how does that help the urban kids?
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Mar 20, 2024 20:12:05 GMT -5
You seem to determine happiness and freedom by the amount of money one has, in other words, the more money , the more freedom and the better the life. Your not alone, a lot of people do, but I'm not one of them. As long as I can pay my bills, do I really need any more. ( 1)"The childcare system is far better plus many workers have much more freedom to flex their work schedules to help meet their family needs."What child care system is better than a mother and father raising their child. Being sent off to a day care center 5 days a week definitely isn't. Where I grew up every adult in the neighborhood was my father and mother. If I was doing something wrong, you bet they new about it before I even got home. A flexible work schedule, what's that. Every job I ever had required me to be there between such and such a time. Yes I could sometimes take a vacation day, if I had any, or maybe some time off without pay, but it was far from flexible. (2)"Today...there is more freedom of choice in educating your children. Many go private if they wish with many subsidies (tax etc) to help make this freedom affordable. Same goes for childcare freedom....with sizable tax credits available to help families starting out."There you go with that money thing again. Do you really feel that money can or does cure all of life's problems? There may be more choices, but is it really a better education, in most instances it's not. I see kids coming out of school today that have never said the pledge of allegiance to the flag, so have no idea what it even is. I will admit our public schools are a disaster, but private schools aren't the answer either. Most young families can't afford them, and even if they could there's not enough of them. The one room school house with 3 grades and one teacher, produced a lot of great Americans. I'm sure my grandparents and even my parents would be shocked at what I need to go through just to build a storage shed on property I own. Why should I need permission from someone that doesn't even know me. Why do I have to blueprint made up, when I'm doing it myself. Why do I need permission to raise a steer or a couple of hogs for my own consumption on my own property. If I have the area and it's done correctly, once again I shouldn't need permission from anyone. I can remember a time when my parents or uncle could go into a hardware store and walk out with a couple of sticks of dynamite. I bought my first side arm at 18 years of age. I remember most village stores sold ammo, and maybe a couple of firearms. etc, etc. I have lost a lot of freedom in my life time , and today’s USA is a long way removed from what it once was. Neither are good. Hey…..you originally brought up the money thing saying you have more than your parents. I must assume it has importance to you? I really laughed on how your freedom in buying ammo has been infringed. I’ve bought thousands of rounds of ammo through the mail with zero restrictions. More freedom to buy today than ever before!! Plus there’s tons of sporting good stores, hardware stores, Wally’s etc etc today that carry ammo. You run down today’s education system. Where the hell do you think Americas second to none medical advances come from? Best Doctors in the world etc? How about all the historical technological advances we have today making Americans lives better!! What is the underlying driving force behind all of this?? Superior education, innovative research etc. America has the best and is even further advancing by historical leaps!! Sorry, I do not even remotely share your unfounded pessimism. Sorry Loggy but you are complete wrong, do a little research. America isn’t even close to being number one in health care. The closest I found was in any polling was number 11, and some had us so far down the list I stopped looking. As for ammo yeah lots of places, as long as you have a license to sell it. Seems the government has their hand in everything you do today, along with telling you how you will do it they will require to have a license to do it, which they will charge you for so you can do it. Just more freedom lost.
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Post by stroupy on Mar 21, 2024 5:20:22 GMT -5
Hey…..you originally brought up the money thing saying you have more than your parents. I must assume it has importance to you? I really laughed on how your freedom in buying ammo has been infringed. I’ve bought thousands of rounds of ammo through the mail with zero restrictions. More freedom to buy today than ever before!! Plus there’s tons of sporting good stores, hardware stores, Wally’s etc etc today that carry ammo. You run down today’s education system. Where the hell do you think Americas second to none medical advances come from? Best Doctors in the world etc? How about all the historical technological advances we have today making Americans lives better!! What is the underlying driving force behind all of this?? Superior education, innovative research etc. America has the best and is even further advancing by historical leaps!! Sorry, I do not even remotely share your unfounded pessimism. Sorry Loggy but you are complete wrong, do a little research. America isn’t even close to being number one in health care. The closest I found was in any polling was number 11, and some had us so far down the list I stopped looking. As for ammo yeah lots of places, as long as you have a license to sell it. Seems the government has their hand in everything you do today, along with telling you how you will do it they will require to have a license to do it, which they will charge you for so you can do it. Just more freedom lost. I had better Healthcare before Obama care. Then they threw everyone on the backs of others and drove up everyone's premiums. When my dad started working and a family his Healthcare was paid for 100% with a pension. So this argument is this generation has it better stuff is incredibly naive and not the whole picture.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Mar 21, 2024 7:00:29 GMT -5
All of America was better off before Obama. Trump may have been able to turn it around if he had been re-elected, but somehow we ended up with a poor leader, and corrupt leadership.. America can be great again with a lot of changes, it needs to begin with a change in leadership along with changes in all of congress. Is Trump the answer, I don’t know. But this I’m sure of, if Biden and Harris get in again we’re doomed. The America we once loved will not survive under their leadership, or who ever is actually pulling all the strings.
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Post by davet on Mar 21, 2024 7:09:05 GMT -5
I know several in education that I consider experts in their fields. (No...not just teachers) It's known that parents who send their kids to Catholic or Private schools have much emphasis on education. They put education at the top of the list and if the child needs help, they will not only pay the private school tuition, but they will also pay for outside tutoring. To compare those children in Catholic\Private schools to public schools is a mistake. That's not to say parents who send their kids to public schools don't place great emphasis on education and grades. A lot do. The problem is when you try to compare the stats of public schools to private schools. It starts with the parent(s) and the family. Well thank you captain obvious. how does that help the urban kids? It doesn't. I never said it did, could, or would. YOU stated "Equally disadvantaged students in urban Catholic schools outperform their public school peers and are far less likely to drop out." I simply pointed out the reason why. As for helping out the urban kids, have yourself and your buddies contact Kim Ward and provide strongly worded emails about how the proposed school voucher system and the use of public funds for private cyber schools etc (who's owners drive some darn nice BMW's and Mercedes). Ask her how these diverted funds help kids in schools who must ask for private foundations for money to buy laptop computers for underprivileged kids to assist in learning. (Computers and knowing how to use this tool is essential in any job these kids will wind up in). It's the politics of helping out their rich buddy donors to make more money from the public trough....when it's outlandish that it happens.
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Post by davet on Mar 21, 2024 7:18:18 GMT -5
All of America was better off before Obama. Trump may have been able to turn it around if he had been re-elected, but somehow we ended up with a poor leader, and corrupt leadership.. America can be great again with a lot of changes, it needs to begin with a change in leadership along with changes in all of congress. Is Trump the answer, I don’t know. But this I’m sure of, if Biden and Harris get in again we’re doomed. The America we once loved will not survive under their leadership, or who ever is actually pulling all the strings. What Obamacare accomplished was to force private business to pay more into the health insurance pool of monies. Why? So insurance companies had more revenue. Insurance companies of course, covered more people, but as we all know for the most part, people don't "use" or cost more in benefits than they pay in. If that were true insurance companies would constantly lose money. So, Obamacare mandaded that any employee who works an average of at least 30 hours per week for more than 120 days in a year. Part-time employees work an average of less than 30 hours per week. See....see how that works? Suck more money out of the private sector for insurance companies. Force by law health care coverage. And all this occurred in 2010.....13 years ago.
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Post by moosemike on Mar 21, 2024 7:25:53 GMT -5
The open border remains the single greatest threat to our way of life. And Trump is the far superior candidate on that issue
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Post by rusty on Mar 21, 2024 7:28:14 GMT -5
Sorry Loggy but you are complete wrong, do a little research. America isn’t even close to being number one in health care. The closest I found was in any polling was number 11, and some had us so far down the list I stopped looking. As for ammo yeah lots of places, as long as you have a license to sell it. Seems the government has their hand in everything you do today, along with telling you how you will do it they will require to have a license to do it, which they will charge you for so you can do it. Just more freedom lost. I had better Healthcare before Obama care. Then they threw everyone on the backs of others and drove up everyone's premiums. When my dad started working and a family his Healthcare was paid for 100% with a pension. So this argument is this generation has it better stuff is incredibly naive and not the whole picture. What do think the maga republicans in office now think of a plan like your dad's, Stroup? Thise generation has it share of whiners, it's share of just get by from paycheck to paycheck, and it share of those who will do what it takes to do very well for themselves. My generation was the same, but we had much few opportunities right out of high school or vocational school than people do now. One thing that hasn't changed is some will whine, complain, and always blame somebody else anytime they have to struggle. Most often the struggle is because of the choices and path they have made for themselves.
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Post by jwk on Mar 21, 2024 8:11:39 GMT -5
Well thank you captain obvious. how does that help the urban kids? It doesn't. I never said it did, could, or would. YOU stated "Equally disadvantaged students in urban Catholic schools outperform their public school peers and are far less likely to drop out." I simply pointed out the reason why. As for helping out the urban kids, have yourself and your buddies contact Kim Ward and provide strongly worded emails about how the proposed school voucher system and the use of public funds for private cyber schools etc (who's owners drive some darn nice BMW's and Mercedes). Ask her how these diverted funds help kids in schools who must ask for private foundations for money to buy laptop computers for underprivileged kids to assist in learning. (Computers and knowing how to use this tool is essential in any job these kids will wind up in). It's the politics of helping out their rich buddy donors to make more money from the public trough....when it's outlandish that it happens. Those were not my words it was quoted from the article that I quoted in my post. My point being the educational system in this country is only good for some and not all.
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Post by jwk on Mar 21, 2024 8:22:41 GMT -5
I had better Healthcare before Obama care. Then they threw everyone on the backs of others and drove up everyone's premiums. When my dad started working and a family his Healthcare was paid for 100% with a pension. So this argument is this generation has it better stuff is incredibly naive and not the whole picture. What do think the maga republicans in office now think of a plan like your dad's, Stroup? Thise generation has it share of whiners, it's share of just get by from paycheck to paycheck, and it share of those who will do what it takes to do very well for themselves. My generation was the same, but we had much few opportunities right out of high school or vocational school than people do now. One thing that hasn't changed is some will whine, complain, and always blame somebody else anytime they have to struggle. Most often the struggle is because of the choices and path they have made for themselves.
I 100% agree with this. It drives me nuts when people blame everyone else for the choices they themselves made. There are some with legitimate issues that make life difficult and I don't mind helping those one bit.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Mar 21, 2024 8:27:09 GMT -5
All of America was better off before Obama. Trump may have been able to turn it around if he had been re-elected, but somehow we ended up with a poor leader, and corrupt leadership.. America can be great again with a lot of changes, it needs to begin with a change in leadership along with changes in all of congress. Is Trump the answer, I don’t know. But this I’m sure of, if Biden and Harris get in again we’re doomed. The America we once loved will not survive under their leadership, or who ever is actually pulling all the strings. What Obamacare accomplished was to force private business to pay more into the health insurance pool of monies. Why? So insurance companies had more revenue. Insurance companies of course, covered more people, but as we all know for the most part, people don't "use" or cost more in benefits than they pay in. If that were true insurance companies would constantly lose money. So, Obamacare mandaded that any employee who works an average of at least 30 hours per week for more than 120 days in a year. Part-time employees work an average of less than 30 hours per week. See....see how that works? Suck more money out of the private sector for insurance companies. Force by law health care coverage. And all this occurred in 2010.....13 years ago. Yep, and now the insurance companies also play doctor. Had my annual on Monday, Doc said lets try Gabapentin for your lower back pain and tired legs. Insurance company wouldn't help pay for it at first. Doc had to tell them exactly why he subscribed it, before they would pay their share.
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Post by davet on Mar 21, 2024 8:29:33 GMT -5
It doesn't. I never said it did, could, or would. YOU stated "Equally disadvantaged students in urban Catholic schools outperform their public school peers and are far less likely to drop out." I simply pointed out the reason why. As for helping out the urban kids, have yourself and your buddies contact Kim Ward and provide strongly worded emails about how the proposed school voucher system and the use of public funds for private cyber schools etc (who's owners drive some darn nice BMW's and Mercedes). Ask her how these diverted funds help kids in schools who must ask for private foundations for money to buy laptop computers for underprivileged kids to assist in learning. (Computers and knowing how to use this tool is essential in any job these kids will wind up in). It's the politics of helping out their rich buddy donors to make more money from the public trough....when it's outlandish that it happens. Those were not my words it was quoted from the article that I quoted in my post. My point being the educational system in this country is only good for some and not all. So, you either simply point out the obvious, or you can at a minimum, write an email to your Rep, and also to Kim (worthless) Ward.
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Post by jwk on Mar 21, 2024 8:32:33 GMT -5
Those were not my words it was quoted from the article that I quoted in my post. My point being the educational system in this country is only good for some and not all. So, you either simply point out the obvious, or you can at a minimum, write an email to your Rep, and also to Kim (worthless) Ward. Well someone said we have the best education system in the world but IMO we don't. So I posted something to help make my point. How do you know I haven't done anything already?
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Post by davet on Mar 21, 2024 8:34:00 GMT -5
What Obamacare accomplished was to force private business to pay more into the health insurance pool of monies. Why? So insurance companies had more revenue. Insurance companies of course, covered more people, but as we all know for the most part, people don't "use" or cost more in benefits than they pay in. If that were true insurance companies would constantly lose money. So, Obamacare mandaded that any employee who works an average of at least 30 hours per week for more than 120 days in a year. Part-time employees work an average of less than 30 hours per week. See....see how that works? Suck more money out of the private sector for insurance companies. Force by law health care coverage. And all this occurred in 2010.....13 years ago. Yep, and now the insurance companies also play doctor. Had my annual on Monday, Doc said lets try Gabapentin for your lower back pain and tired legs. Insurance company wouldn't help pay for it at first. Doc had to tell them exactly why he subscribed it, before they would pay their share. Yup. I experience this in just about every Dr visit I have. That, and the fact that these "PBM's" (Pharmacy Benefit Managers) are the little Hitlers of the script market. They drove out of business my local pharmacy. I had one script about two years ago that the PBM would not approve. It was for pain and I needed it that day. (They got the script a week earlier). After much yelling at a PBM employee, they approved it. When I picked it up I found out the insurance company paid NOTHING for the drug. It was all me. (like $12). So, I called them up and said "If you don't pay for any of the drug, if you have no "dog in the fight", then what gives you the right to preclude me from buying it without your approval? Crickets was the response.
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Post by davet on Mar 21, 2024 8:34:49 GMT -5
So, you either simply point out the obvious, or you can at a minimum, write an email to your Rep, and also to Kim (worthless) Ward. Well someone said we have the best education system in the world but IMO we don't. So I posted something to help make my point. How do you know I haven't done anything already? Because if you did, I'd have already heard about it.
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Post by jwk on Mar 21, 2024 8:41:44 GMT -5
Well someone said we have the best education system in the world but IMO we don't. So I posted something to help make my point. How do you know I haven't done anything already? Because if you did, I'd have already heard about it. And how would you know that?
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Post by fleroo on Mar 21, 2024 9:29:27 GMT -5
I fully understand that you are in your late 60's and have been "around the block", so don't be offended by this but... you're not on target with your perception of marijuana. And that's ok. Most are still trapped in that 1940'ish mindset of the "stoner" passed out on the couch, tater chips strewn about, and slobbering all over his "wife-beater" tank-top. To the contrary, it causes your senses to be heightened, and more acute. Also, there are differences in the THC that can be prescribed, Indica and Sativa (along with hybrids). Sativa actually more than likely, makes a person more energetic.
Everybody has their own opinions of "pot". As most opinions, none are really "wrong" ? I'm fairly educated on the matter. And of course have my own opinion. I've also been very close to opioid abusers. Some abused due to injury/illness, some simply as a very stupid recreational choice. I know how marijuana can be a much, much, much better choice.
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Post by dougl on Mar 21, 2024 9:42:05 GMT -5
OC took away the insurance companies ability to underwrite risk away from them.That caused rates and out of pocket expenses to sky rocket.As a result we have way higher premiums,way higher deductibles and far fewer choices.It was the first step towards socialized healthcare.Hopsitals make their money from private insurance,not medicare and medicaid.
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Post by davet on Mar 21, 2024 11:51:08 GMT -5
I fully understand that you are in your late 60's and have been "around the block", so don't be offended by this but... you're not on target with your perception of marijuana. And that's ok. Most are still trapped in that 1940'ish mindset of the "stoner" passed out on the couch, tater chips strewn about, and slobbering all over his "wife-beater" tank-top. To the contrary, it causes your senses to be heightened, and more acute. Also, there are differences in the THC that can be prescribed, Indica and Sativa (along with hybrids). Sativa actually more than likely, makes a person more energetic. Everybody has their own opinions of "pot". As most opinions, none are really "wrong" ? I'm fairly educated on the matter. And of course have my own opinion. I've also been very close to opioid abusers. Some abused due to injury/illness, some simply as a very stupid recreational choice. I know how marijuana can be a much, much, much better choice. I won't disagree with you. I have a cousin who drove big rig's his entire life and his back gives him incredible pain. The last I talked to him he said he has tried something he swore he would never do. Take a medical MJ pill. He said it's the best thing that's ever happened to him. I have no issue with that. I just know it's not a choice I want to make.
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Post by fleroo on Mar 21, 2024 12:22:13 GMT -5
I understand. It's not for many folks. Some it is.
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Post by rusty on Mar 21, 2024 13:04:06 GMT -5
All of America was better off before Obama. Trump may have been able to turn it around if he had been re-elected, but somehow we ended up with a poor leader, and corrupt leadership.. America can be great again with a lot of changes, it needs to begin with a change in leadership along with changes in all of congress. Is Trump the answer, I don’t know. But this I’m sure of, if Biden and Harris get in again we’re doomed. The America we once loved will not survive under their leadership, or who ever is actually pulling all the strings. Better off before Obama? You must not remember the direction of the country when the Bush/Cheney pair left office. I didn't vote for Obama's first term, but I cast my first vote for a democrat in my life for his second term. Liz sums up what many of us are think about this election.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Mar 21, 2024 13:45:00 GMT -5
First off I remember Bush, especially his response to 911, and I feel he wasn’t near as bad as some do. As for Lis Cheney, she has nothing to say I want to her. She’s just another Trump hater, and that hate trumps her common sense.
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Post by stroupy on Mar 21, 2024 16:51:59 GMT -5
I had better Healthcare before Obama care. Then they threw everyone on the backs of others and drove up everyone's premiums. When my dad started working and a family his Healthcare was paid for 100% with a pension. So this argument is this generation has it better stuff is incredibly naive and not the whole picture. What do think the maga republicans in office now think of a plan like your dad's, Stroup? Thise generation has it share of whiners, it's share of just get by from paycheck to paycheck, and it share of those who will do what it takes to do very well for themselves. My generation was the same, but we had much few opportunities right out of high school or vocational school than people do now. One thing that hasn't changed is some will whine, complain, and always blame somebody else anytime they have to struggle. Most often the struggle is because of the choices and path they have made for themselves. I guess if I had state benefits I'd "whine" less. My insurance was $136 a month with a $500 deductible and no out of pocket. Then Obama screwed it up and I had a $154 a month with a $2000 deductible with $8,000 out of pocket. I had a couple years where I had to use my health insurance, had my back done, had chronic appendicitis for years, had a hernia and carpal tunnel done. The prices were way up there and it took me 10 years to recover from it. I'm finally cresting the hill I think. Yeah they didn't fix healthcare at all.
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Post by stroupy on Mar 21, 2024 16:57:47 GMT -5
Now if you go to have a test done they want what's left on your deductible up front before they touch you. Yeah I am not afraid to whine about health insurance.
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