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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 20, 2024 11:56:40 GMT -5
Saw a poll this mornng that showed Trump leading Biden among latino voters. Maybe thats why Biden has changed his position somewhat. I would expect the percentage to go up but not leading democrats that is amazing. There is a poll that shows Trump support from black voters is up to 23% There is a misconception out there that Latinos vote Democrat. Many are very conservative and religous with strong family values.
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Post by jwk on Mar 20, 2024 11:58:16 GMT -5
Not to mention the ones that did the work hard to come in legally aren't to happy with the open border policy.
More importantly the ones that are waiting for citizenship aren't to happy.
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Post by jwk on Mar 20, 2024 12:25:05 GMT -5
OK......now that we have all that said with all the "doom & gloom" & ...let's talk about how much better off today we are than our parents were!! NAH that couldn't be!! LOL Depends on what you are referring to. Am I better well off, money wise, than they were? YES Do I have better health care , due to advancements in medicine? Yes Do I live in a better America and world ? NO Is my overall freedoms as good as theirs? NO I would much rather have live in their time frame, then now. It was a harder life, but a simpler live, with a lot less restrictions and a lot more freedoms. I'm just grateful that I had the pleasure of enjoying some of it. I agree with you. People were dependent on themselves and family back then. People today are so used to government handouts for everything the don't even think about where the money comes from. I want to go to college: -give me money I lost my job- give me money I don't want to work- give me money I need someone to watch my kids - give me money I'm not happy with our school system- give me money I can't afford a phone- give me one. It all adds up to a weaker country IMO.
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Post by fleroo on Mar 20, 2024 12:34:37 GMT -5
And here's the even MORE sad/bad part. If you are a law-abiding American citizen, but hold a medicinal marijuana card, you cannot pass the FFL paperwork for a pistol transfer. You can be a raving alcoholic, hell-bent on getting into a fight in every bar you enter, but......
It doesn't apply to me. But I saw the question 2 weeks ago when xfering a pistol to a cousin.
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Post by moosemike on Mar 20, 2024 13:08:51 GMT -5
Nothing sad about that. That's the compromise you make if you want that Marijuana card. I like the law. It keeps a lot of people I know from getting the card
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Post by fleroo on Mar 20, 2024 13:14:33 GMT -5
Everybody has their own opinions. Very sad to me. Should be a question on there... Do you too often consume too much alcohol. Would be just, no more appropriate to deny a handgun.
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Post by rusty on Mar 20, 2024 13:20:19 GMT -5
I've done some work for a couple state policemen. Both said that if it were not for alcohol abuse, we would need many fewer cops. They said stoners are usually pretty cooperative.
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Post by fleroo on Mar 20, 2024 13:23:58 GMT -5
Ya. No Sh## ! I would rather see people get the "calming", stable effect that they and their PCP's are looking for, by way of medicinal marijuana, rather than pushing Big Pharma's version through pills that alter minds and ruin organs. But I digress (not really). My point was in relation to an "over the border" immigrant being more welcome to carry, than many of our law-abiding citizens.
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Post by jwk on Mar 20, 2024 13:39:19 GMT -5
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Post by davet on Mar 20, 2024 13:41:58 GMT -5
If you’re not a felon you can choose to carry a firearm. So I don’t understand the comment that an illegal immigrate is “more welcome” to carry.
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Post by jwk on Mar 20, 2024 13:55:26 GMT -5
My question is how does someone that is here illegally pass a background check?
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Post by jwk on Mar 20, 2024 14:03:43 GMT -5
“It is unlawful for any person who is an alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States to purchase or possess a firearm,” Kristina Mastropasqua, a spokesperson for the ATF wrote in an email. “There are limited exceptions to these prohibitions that allow for the possession of a firearm issued for use by a federal, state, or local government or agency.”
The Gun Control Act, originally passed in 1968, prohibits licensed gun dealers from selling firearms to anyone who “is illegally or unlawfully in the United States.” ATF regulations outline how the agency implements federal law, which it has no power to amend.
These regulations, including those related to background checks, do not include any exceptions to federal law that would allow people in the U.S. illegally to purchase firearms.
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Post by fleroo on Mar 20, 2024 14:26:26 GMT -5
True, you can open carry. But, you can't pass an FFL background check if you have a medicinal card, which is what I'm speaking to. I'm almost positive you can't obtain a CCP either, but I don't recall if the medicinal question was on that application or not. It's been a while since I had to re-up my CCP.
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Post by fleroo on Mar 20, 2024 14:28:16 GMT -5
You do know that "A coupla Key's" is referring to Coke, not Pot, right ? But a great song by Arlo
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Post by fleroo on Mar 20, 2024 14:30:07 GMT -5
Would that "limited exception" be a politician wishing to garner a vote ? Just sayin'
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Post by jwk on Mar 20, 2024 14:38:07 GMT -5
You do know that "A coupla Key's" is referring to Coke, not Pot, right ? But a great song by Arlo LOL, I was going for the Marijuana shout out at the beginning to go along with the thread. To tell you the truth I always thought of a more psychedelic drug from the lyrics. I'll have to dust off the old Woodstock album. I never get tired of listening to it. You are right, great song no matter the drug of choice.
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Post by jwk on Mar 20, 2024 14:42:15 GMT -5
Would that "limited exception" be a politician wishing to garner a vote ? Just sayin' What is puzzling is that this is a liberal judge appointed by Obama. Wouldn't you think the party of gun control would want the gun off the streets? Imagine if that were me or you with an un-registered gun would it have been the same outcome? I'm assuming that it is not registered because I see no way they could do a background check.
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Post by davet on Mar 20, 2024 14:54:43 GMT -5
True, you can open carry. But, you can't pass an FFL background check if you have a medicinal card, which is what I'm speaking to. I'm almost positive you can't obtain a CCP either, but I don't recall if the medicinal question was on that application or not. It's been a while since I had to re-up my CCP. Yes. I do know that. In fact, because of my disease I’m eligible for a MM card. However, in addition to the FFL restrictions, I prefer clarity of thought. I can deal with the pain with other methods. And none of those require the side effect of foggy thinking.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Mar 20, 2024 15:00:53 GMT -5
Depends on what you are referring to. Am I better well off, money wise, than they were? YES Do I have better health care , due to advancements in medicine? Yes Do I live in a better America and world ? NO Is my overall freedoms as good as theirs? NO I would much rather have live in their time frame, then now. It was a harder life, but a simpler live, with a lot less restrictions and a lot more freedoms. Better healthcare along with improved financial security in America are extremely important. You take that away all the rest really doesn't mean sh!t. Our healthcare is the envy of the World!! Most Americans have way more freedoms than their parents had. The childcare system is far better plus many workers have much more freedom to flex their work schedules to help meet their family needs. My parents didn't have that extremely important freedom that exists today. Today...there is more freedom of choice in educating your children. Many go private if they wish with many subsidies (tax etc) to help make this freedom affordable. Same goes for childcare freedom....with sizable tax credits available to help families starting out. Such did not exist for my parents. Also, more higher educational freedoms to chose for those who need financial assistance. Such was very limited back in my parent's time. Not sure how you missed out on all the great things that today's America offers? Sorta sad really. I for one am very thankful for what we have plus optimistic on things even getting better ahead. You seem to determine happiness and freedom by the amount of money one has, in other words, the more money , the more freedom and the better the life. Your not alone, a lot of people do, but I'm not one of them. As long as I can pay my bills, do I really need any more. ( 1)"The childcare system is far better plus many workers have much more freedom to flex their work schedules to help meet their family needs."What child care system is better than a mother and father raising their child. Being sent off to a day care center 5 days a week definitely isn't. Where I grew up every adult in the neighborhood was my father and mother. If I was doing something wrong, you bet they new about it before I even got home. A flexible work schedule, what's that. Every job I ever had required me to be there between such and such a time. Yes I could sometimes take a vacation day, if I had any, or maybe some time off without pay, but it was far from flexible. (2)"Today...there is more freedom of choice in educating your children. Many go private if they wish with many subsidies (tax etc) to help make this freedom affordable. Same goes for childcare freedom....with sizable tax credits available to help families starting out."There you go with that money thing again. Do you really feel that money can or does cure all of life's problems? There may be more choices, but is it really a better education, in most instances it's not. I see kids coming out of school today that have never said the pledge of allegiance to the flag, so have no idea what it even is. I will admit our public schools are a disaster, but private schools aren't the answer either. Most young families can't afford them, and even if they could there's not enough of them. The one room school house with 3 grades and one teacher, produced a lot of great Americans. I'm sure my grandparents and even my parents would be shocked at what I need to go through just to build a storage shed on property I own. Why should I need permission from someone that doesn't even know me. Why do I have to blueprint made up, when I'm doing it myself. Why do I need permission to raise a steer or a couple of hogs for my own consumption on my own property. If I have the area and it's done correctly, once again I shouldn't need permission from anyone. I can remember a time when my parents or uncle could go into a hardware store and walk out with a couple of sticks of dynamite. I bought my first side arm at 18 years of age. I remember most village stores sold ammo, and maybe a couple of firearms. etc, etc. I have lost a lot of freedom in my life time , and todays USA is a long way removed from what it once was. Neither are good.
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Post by moosemike on Mar 20, 2024 15:38:57 GMT -5
My question is how does someone that is here illegally pass a background check? Straw purchase
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Post by Loggy on Mar 20, 2024 15:51:43 GMT -5
Better healthcare along with improved financial security in America are extremely important. You take that away all the rest really doesn't mean sh!t. Our healthcare is the envy of the World!! Most Americans have way more freedoms than their parents had. The childcare system is far better plus many workers have much more freedom to flex their work schedules to help meet their family needs. My parents didn't have that extremely important freedom that exists today. Today...there is more freedom of choice in educating your children. Many go private if they wish with many subsidies (tax etc) to help make this freedom affordable. Same goes for childcare freedom....with sizable tax credits available to help families starting out. Such did not exist for my parents. Also, more higher educational freedoms to chose for those who need financial assistance. Such was very limited back in my parent's time. Not sure how you missed out on all the great things that today's America offers? Sorta sad really. I for one am very thankful for what we have plus optimistic on things even getting better ahead. You seem to determine happiness and freedom by the amount of money one has, in other words, the more money , the more freedom and the better the life. Your not alone, a lot of people do, but I'm not one of them. As long as I can pay my bills, do I really need any more. ( 1)"The childcare system is far better plus many workers have much more freedom to flex their work schedules to help meet their family needs."What child care system is better than a mother and father raising their child. Being sent off to a day care center 5 days a week definitely isn't. Where I grew up every adult in the neighborhood was my father and mother. If I was doing something wrong, you bet they new about it before I even got home. A flexible work schedule, what's that. Every job I ever had required me to be there between such and such a time. Yes I could sometimes take a vacation day, if I had any, or maybe some time off without pay, but it was far from flexible. (2)"Today...there is more freedom of choice in educating your children. Many go private if they wish with many subsidies (tax etc) to help make this freedom affordable. Same goes for childcare freedom....with sizable tax credits available to help families starting out."There you go with that money thing again. Do you really feel that money can or does cure all of life's problems? There may be more choices, but is it really a better education, in most instances it's not. I see kids coming out of school today that have never said the pledge of allegiance to the flag, so have no idea what it even is. I will admit our public schools are a disaster, but private schools aren't the answer either. Most young families can't afford them, and even if they could there's not enough of them. The one room school house with 3 grades and one teacher, produced a lot of great Americans. I'm sure my grandparents and even my parents would be shocked at what I need to go through just to build a storage shed on property I own. Why should I need permission from someone that doesn't even know me. Why do I have to blueprint made up, when I'm doing it myself. Why do I need permission to raise a steer or a couple of hogs for my own consumption on my own property. If I have the area and it's done correctly, once again I shouldn't need permission from anyone. I can remember a time when my parents or uncle could go into a hardware store and walk out with a couple of sticks of dynamite. I bought my first side arm at 18 years of age. I remember most village stores sold ammo, and maybe a couple of firearms. etc, etc. I have lost a lot of freedom in my life time , and today’s USA is a long way removed from what it once was. Neither are good. Hey…..you originally brought up the money thing saying you have more than your parents. I must assume it has importance to you? I really laughed on how your freedom in buying ammo has been infringed. I’ve bought thousands of rounds of ammo through the mail with zero restrictions. More freedom to buy today than ever before!! Plus there’s tons of sporting good stores, hardware stores, Wally’s etc etc today that carry ammo. You run down today’s education system. Where the hell do you think Americas second to none medical advances come from? Best Doctors in the world etc? How about all the historical technological advances we have today making Americans lives better!! What is the underlying driving force behind all of this?? Superior education, innovative research etc. America has the best and is even further advancing by historical leaps!! Sorry, I do not even remotely share your unfounded pessimism.
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Post by jwk on Mar 20, 2024 16:40:07 GMT -5
Urban schools in the U.S are horrific. They have been throwing billions of our tax dollars at this issue for many years and the only ones that benefit are the teachers unions. In a country that is so smart why can't we fix this?
"Performance in Urban Schools
Urban schools enroll 24 percent of all public school students in the United States, 35 percent of poor students, and 43 percent of minority students. In a massive survey of urban education, Education Week concluded that “most 4th graders who live in U.S. cities can’t read and understand a simple children’s book, and most 8th graders can’t use arithmetic to solve a practical problem.” Slightly more than half of big-city students are unable to graduate from high school in the customary four years, and many of those who do manage to graduate are ill-prepared for higher education or the workplace. Performance is worst in high-poverty schools, explain the Education Week editors, yet poverty is not the only reason for low performance: “Somehow, simply being in an urban school seems to drag performance down. Students in urban schools where the majority of children are poor are more likely to do poorly on tests than their peers who attend high-poverty schools outside cities.” The odds are against poor students in urban public schools. Equally disadvantaged students in urban Catholic schools outperform their public school peers and are far less likely to drop out."
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Post by davet on Mar 20, 2024 18:17:39 GMT -5
I still don’t understand how my freedoms today have been chopped away when compared to my Grandparents born in the late 1800’s. Anyone care to comment on this previous post ?
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Post by Loggy on Mar 20, 2024 18:22:15 GMT -5
I still don’t understand how my freedoms today have been chopped away when compared to my Grandparents born in the late 1800’s. Anyone care to comment on this previous post ? LOL
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Post by davet on Mar 20, 2024 18:22:26 GMT -5
Equally disadvantaged students in urban Catholic schools outperform their public school peers and are far less likely to drop out." I know several in education that I consider experts in their fields. (No...not just teachers) It's known that parents who send their kids to Catholic or Private schools have much emphasis on education. They put education at the top of the list and if the child needs help, they will not only pay the private school tuition, but they will also pay for outside tutoring. To compare those children in Catholic\Private schools to public schools is a mistake. That's not to say parents who send their kids to public schools don't place great emphasis on education and grades. A lot do. The problem is when you try to compare the stats of public schools to private schools. It starts with the parent(s) and the family.
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