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Post by jwk on Mar 17, 2024 15:26:36 GMT -5
We were at Cabelas today and I had no intentions of looking at fish finders, but I made the mistake of stopping and playing with them. I was amazed at how much detail and information you get with these things now. I am going to look in to these for our pontoon on the river this year. I can imagine some of the stuff we might see down there. Probably some stuff we don't want to see. Anyone have recommendations for these?
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Post by davet on Mar 17, 2024 16:27:55 GMT -5
Usually, when I start catching fish I say "I found the fish". But I don't think it's the same thing.......
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Post by Loggy on Mar 17, 2024 17:56:08 GMT -5
I have a basic Hummingbird sonar. I mainly use to navigate(depth finding) plus in finding ledges & structure vs finding fish. It's invaluable in navigation helping to avoid sand bars/oyster beds which will wreck your motors prop. Reading bottom structure normally=Finding fish. Plus...flounder(my primary fish) do not show as they're flat on the bottom. Also has a water temperature feature which is valuable. My Hummingbird is about 10 years old & think it's in their old basic 200 Series($200 price range) with not too many bells & whistles. Been a very reliable unit!!
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 17, 2024 18:03:58 GMT -5
Driving around looking for fish with high resolution electronics using pre loaded maps and gps is a okay when fishing. Now, do the same thing while hunting and the fists come out.......
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Post by Loggy on Mar 17, 2024 18:09:29 GMT -5
Driving around looking for fish with high resolution electronics using pre loaded maps and gps is a okay when fishing. Now, do the same thing while hunting and the fists come out....... Been using "fish finders" for many, many years & NEVER used one driving around "looking for fish". They are more akined to a handheld gps with topo modules used for woods navigation. Main use is water navigation which is critical for safety while out on the water.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 17, 2024 18:30:33 GMT -5
Been using "fish finders" for many, many years & NEVER used one driving around "looking for fish". They are more akined to a handheld gps with topo modules used for woods navigation. Main use is water navigation which is critical for safety while out on the water. I never said you did. Just pointing out the amazing technology that is out there and how its use is viewed differently depending on hunting versus fishing and the conundrums that exist when I see certain discussions.
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Post by jwk on Mar 18, 2024 6:44:41 GMT -5
I have a vexlar that I use for finding fish when ice fishing. I catch way more fish with it than I did without it. When I hook it up to the boat it is basically a depth indicator. If I do purchase one of these new gadgets I would be lying if I said I'm not looking for fish. I am new to this section of river and don't mind using technology to help cut the learning curve. Doesn't guarantee I will catch them but it gives me a better advantage for sure.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 18, 2024 6:54:16 GMT -5
I have a vexlar that I use for finding fish when ice fishing. I catch way more fish with it than I did without it. When I hook it up to the boat it is basically a depth indicator. If I do purchase one of these new gadgets I would be lying if I said I'm not looking for fish. I am new to this section of river and don't mind using technology to help cut the learning curve. Doesn't guarantee I will catch them but it gives me a better advantage for sure. Yep. Buddy a mine use his new machine to look under docks with his sidescan when bass fishing. If he sees them he fishes. If he doesn't he moves on to the next. Interestingly, I asked him about using a drone to look for deer then going after them, he said it wasn't fair chase..........
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Post by jwk on Mar 18, 2024 7:03:35 GMT -5
I have a vexlar that I use for finding fish when ice fishing. I catch way more fish with it than I did without it. When I hook it up to the boat it is basically a depth indicator. If I do purchase one of these new gadgets I would be lying if I said I'm not looking for fish. I am new to this section of river and don't mind using technology to help cut the learning curve. Doesn't guarantee I will catch them but it gives me a better advantage for sure. Yep. Buddy a mine use his new machine to look under docks with his sidescan when bass fishing. If he sees them he fishes. If he doesn't he moves on to the next. Interestingly, I asked him about using a drone to look for deer then going after them, he said it wasn't fair chase.......... That's interesting because I don't think I would use it to bass fish on a lake. Part of the fun for me is working the docks and structure to find them. That me be partly because there is a bass under almost every dock where I fish. If I can find some cats or walleye schooled up on the river though I'm all in. I'm not getting on your buddy that's just me.
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Post by Loggy on Mar 18, 2024 7:13:40 GMT -5
Sorry I see no meaningful correlation. A correlation yes...but not meaningful. In fishing....you have the option of release in hunting NO REALEASE OPTION. It's an intended lethal "catch" period. End of comparison IMO. Glad you mentioned bass fishing....as release is the main for most. I'm 100% opposed to using drones guiding hunters to the shot...for recovery AFTER the shot OK only if properly regulated.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 18, 2024 7:44:49 GMT -5
Sorry I see no meaningful correlation. A correlation yes...but not meaningful. In fishing....you have the option of release in hunting NO REALEASE OPTION. It's an intended lethal "catch" period. End of comparison IMO. Glad you mentioned bass fishing....as release is the main for most. I'm 100% opposed to using drones guiding hunters to the shot...for recovery AFTER the shot OK only if properly regulated. PLenty of guys do it for crappie as well and generally, it is not a catch and release thing. So, the comparison is very meaningful, but I understand why those that use electornics for fishing can get defensive when the discussion is hunting becuase of the conundrums that exist. Whether one chooses to creel or kill has little to do with the ethics of the use of equipment during the chase.
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Post by Loggy on Mar 18, 2024 8:13:46 GMT -5
So using a Havahart trap vs a Conibear trap has "little to do with the ethics of the use of equipment"?? Sorry....your arguments points even move me further away from agreement.
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Post by Loggy on Mar 18, 2024 8:59:33 GMT -5
We were at Cabelas today and I had no intentions of looking at fish finders, but I made the mistake of stopping and playing with them. I was amazed at how much detail and information you get with these things now. I am going to look in to these for our pontoon on the river this year. I can imagine some of the stuff we might see down there. Probably some stuff we don't want to see. Anyone have recommendations for these? Getting back on topic....my guess Cspot here would likely have some suggestions on the most recent sonars out there. I have been using various Hummingbirds now for over 25 plus years and never had any problems with them. I'm amazed how they reliably handle harsh saltwater conditions.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 18, 2024 9:20:07 GMT -5
So using a Havahart trap vs a Conibear trap has "little to do with the ethics of the use of equipment"?? Fishing is not always catch and release. The discussion was the ethics of equipment during the chase. No worries. As I said, I understand why some get defensive about the topic. If you have noticed, the lanagauge often referred to in hunting is "fair chase". It is not "fair killing". The techniques and ethics involved in the pursuit/chase of the critters is the point in question. Not whether game or fish is eventuially taken. So back to the point, which I shsould have helped clarify for you.
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Post by dougl on Mar 18, 2024 9:42:50 GMT -5
Well Gene,fish don't leave sign on a egular basis,not to mention the fact that you have the option of releasing them.I've never seen anyone as supporting as you when it comes to making things as easy as possible.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 18, 2024 10:57:18 GMT -5
Well Gene,fish don't leave sign on a egular basis,not to mention the fact that you have the option of releasing them.I've never seen anyone as supporting as you when it comes to making things as easy as possible. I don't suppprt "making things as easy as possible". That is mischaracterizing my actual position. I support those that hunt and/or fish legally, regardless of what techniques or equipment they use if they are already legal. Getting back to my point about the conundrums that exist between hunting and fishing and why certain aspects of each are viewed so differently among some sportsman. Some among us are very vocal about certain fair chase aspects of hunting, but the exact same things in the fishing world are given the silent treatment. I said this before but it should be repeated. "If you have noticed, the langauge often referred to in hunting is "fair chase". It is not "fair killing". The techniques and ethics involved in the pursuit/chase of the critters is the point in question. Not whether game or fish is eventuially taken."
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Post by Loggy on Mar 18, 2024 11:09:42 GMT -5
You keep repeating "fair chase" in connection with hunting. Fair chase for what purpose is the issue??
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 18, 2024 11:32:17 GMT -5
You keep repeating "fair chase" in connection with hunting. Fair chase for what purpose is the issue?? It was you that tried to turn the comparison into the releasing versus killing aspect when we were discussing the use of electronics while fishing or the act of fishing. Below is what you said; To which I replied; " If you have noticed, the langauge often referred to in hunting is "fair chase". It is not "fair killing". The techniques and ethics involved in the pursuit/chase of the critters is the point in question. Not whether game or fish is eventuially taken." In the hunting world everything, including electronics is weighed on the "fair chase" scale. it isn't the "fair killing" scale. Using electronics while fishing and fishing are both part of the chasing/pursueing aspect of the sport, not creeling or killing fish as the fish still have to be caught. The same can be said for using electronics while hunting or hunting and both are part of the chasing/pursueing aspect of the sport, not killing game as the game still has to be hunted and shot. So to summarize, my point is what is "fair chase" when it comes to fishng and hunting and why does it seem that the standards are often very different whem it comes to the chase/pursuit which occurs both in fishing and hunting.
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Post by dougl on Mar 18, 2024 12:17:55 GMT -5
Well Gene,fish don't leave sign on a egular basis,not to mention the fact that you have the option of releasing them.I've never seen anyone as supporting as you when it comes to making things as easy as possible. I don't suppprt "making things as easy as possible". That is mischaracterizing my actual position. I support those that hunt and/or fish legally, regardless of what techniques or equipment they use if they are already legal. Getting back to my point about the conundrums that exist between hunting and fishing and why certain aspects of each are viewed so differently among some sportsman. Some among us are very vocal about certain fair chase aspects of hunting, but the exact same things in the fishing world are given the silent treatment. I said this before but it should be repeated. "If you have noticed, the langauge often referred to in hunting is "fair chase". It is not "fair killing". The techniques and ethics involved in the pursuit/chase of the critters is the point in question. Not whether game or fish is eventuially taken." LOL.I think you like to argue for the sake of arguing.I know guys who fox hunt with horses but they just chase the fox.Nobody kills it.If someone released a fox for them to chase,I wouldn't give a rat's fat arse.However,if someone released one to blast,that would seem very sporting to me.There is a difference.When I hunt,I kill things and I want it to be a challenge.When I fish,I very rarely take any home to eat.I don't care how big of a challenge it is.
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Post by jwk on Mar 18, 2024 12:25:26 GMT -5
Anyway , I've been watching videos on these sonars with the side imaging. It's amazing what you can see down there. I can only imagine what I might come across on the Mon river .
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 18, 2024 13:00:12 GMT -5
LOL.I think you like to argue for the sake of arguing. Nah. Not arguing. Just discussing the conundrums that exist. Sure there are differences. But you bring up what I have been saying about how ethics and fair chase are very subjective and often inconsistently viewed.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 18, 2024 13:01:32 GMT -5
Anyway , I've been watching videos on these sonars with the side imaging. It's amazing what you can see down there. I can only imagine what I might come across on the Mon river . Yep. Some pretty amazing stuff.....
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Post by dougl on Mar 18, 2024 14:07:07 GMT -5
LOL.I think you like to argue for the sake of arguing. Nah. Not arguing. Just discussing the conundrums that exist. Sure there are differences. But you bring up what I have been saying about how ethics and fair chase are very subjective and often inconsistently viewed. Of course ethics are subjective but you always support the easiest way.As soon as someone disagrees with you,they're pounding their chest.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 18, 2024 14:15:38 GMT -5
Of course ethics are subjective but you always support the easiest way.As soon as someone disagrees with you,they're pounding their chest. Again, you are mischaracterizing my position. I do not always support the easiest way. Once it is legal, I then support the hunters that utilize those techniques or weapons. Up till now, I gave you the benefit of a doubt, but at this point, you are just lying. It is how one disagrees. I respect most people that disagree with me. As I have said many times, a robust but civil discussion ultimately arrives at the best outcome. Some can do it and some can't.
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Post by Loggy on Mar 18, 2024 14:48:34 GMT -5
Of course ethics are subjective but you always support the easiest way. As soon as someone disagrees with you,they're pounding their chest. Again, you are mischaracterizing my position. I do not always support the easiest way. Once it is legal, I then support the hunters that utilize those techniques or weapons. Up till now, I gave you the benefit of a doubt, but at this point, you are just lying. It is how one disagrees. I respect most people that disagree with me. As I have said many times, a robust but civil discussion ultimately arrives at the best outcome. Some can do it and some can't. Well Ridge.......Doug isn't the only one who has the impression that you're always supporting the "easiest way" as that's also my impression. Hey, not being critical as each of us march to different drum beats.
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