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Post by Dutch on Mar 10, 2024 12:34:08 GMT -5
Well, at least I'm done reloading for my 243 for rifle season. 80 grain Barnes TTSX bullets, with some 4350 behind them. I want someone to kill a deer with that gun this year.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Mar 10, 2024 12:42:29 GMT -5
Should do the job. I'm not crazy about your bullet choice, I would of gone with 100 grains, but I do like your power choice.
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Post by moosemike on Mar 10, 2024 15:17:01 GMT -5
Not with Barnes you don't go 100 grains. The bullet is too long for the rifling to stabilize. You're still in a cup and core mindset
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Post by Dutch on Mar 10, 2024 15:31:05 GMT -5
Should do the job. I'm not crazy about your bullet choice, I would of gone with 100 grains, but I do like your power choice. The dark red mass, not the pink, at the bottom of the gut pile is the heart of a deer we killed with the exact bullet in a 243 last year.
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Post by dougl on Mar 11, 2024 9:17:59 GMT -5
The last year we killed deer with a .243,that's what we used.Terminal performance was good.I just found a bunch of 85gr TTSX' all loaded up.I have no use for them so if you ever drive through here,you can have them.
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Post by davet on Mar 11, 2024 11:17:54 GMT -5
My had loaded (Full power charge) of 45-70 Hornady 325 gummy tip. Hit this buck at 160yds when he stopped crossing a field.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 11, 2024 12:07:33 GMT -5
My had loaded (Full power charge) of 45-70 Hornady 325 gummy tip. Hit this buck at 160yds when he stopped crossing a field. But it seems like there is heart left? 243 disintegrated ours. 45-70 isn't very effective. 😂
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Post by Dutch on Mar 11, 2024 12:23:11 GMT -5
Tomorrow I'm going to load up some Barnes 120s for my Creedmoor compact. Trying to be a little more proactive with my season prep
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Post by dougl on Mar 11, 2024 13:22:46 GMT -5
Try some hammer bullets in that creedmoor.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 11, 2024 13:28:51 GMT -5
Try some hammer bullets in that creedmoor. I have a good supply of the ones I've been using. I hate having orphaned bullets laying around. We got bullets from the 70s still sitting there.
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Post by davet on Mar 11, 2024 15:17:23 GMT -5
My had loaded (Full power charge) of 45-70 Hornady 325 gummy tip. Hit this buck at 160yds when he stopped crossing a field. But it seems like there is heart left? 243 disintegrated ours. 45-70 isn't very effective. 😂 Yeah....barely effective!!! As you can see the bullet went clean through the buck. He ran (towards me) about 30yds and it was all over. At that distance I heard the definitive SMACK when the 325 Hornady hit him. Several years back I shot a doe that was running right at me. Hit her in front of the left shoulder and the 405gr lead exited her right just before all the "good meat". That doe still ran a good 60 yards before collapsing. And one more 45-70 story. I was doe hunting and had one come up and stop about 40-50 yards away. I took aim and pulled the trigger. To my surprise, the doe was standing there looking at me. So, I chambered a second shot and she collapsed right there. I was somewhat perplexed as to how I could have missed her on the first shot. After I field dressed her I walked back to sort of trace the bullet path. (Lots of woods where I took her) Then I noticed a thick vine that was hanging across the path....sort of like hammock style......and I saw a light chunk hanging from it. So, I looked close at the vine and saw where my first 405gr had hit that hanging vine dead center. All I could think was the bullet hit the vine, and the vine began to swing before the big chunk of lead exited. And it changed the flight path of that round.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Mar 11, 2024 16:04:33 GMT -5
Should do the job. I'm not crazy about your bullet choice, I would of gone with 100 grains, but I do like your power choice. The dark red mass, not the pink, at the bottom of the gut pile is the heart of a deer we killed with the exact bullet in a 243 last year. View AttachmentMaybe I'm wrong but I suspect you didn't hit any bone on that deer. I want some mass for big game, that's why I load 100's in the 243, and heavy for caliber, 165 or 180 in my 308. I like the 180's my son likes the 165. In my opinion the 80 grain is a varmint bullet. Though I have never used or know very little about the Barnes TTX.
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Post by dougl on Mar 11, 2024 16:25:44 GMT -5
A barnes TTSX is not a varmint bullet.They open up but retain close to 80% of their weight.They also penetrate like crazy.Because they don't fragment,you can use a much lighter bullet and push them at higher velocities.They're also longer than a lead core bullet because they aren't as dense so a heavier bullet will take up more case capacity.An 80 or 85gr Barnes bullet in a .243 is extremely deadly.
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Post by moosemike on Mar 11, 2024 16:39:11 GMT -5
There is no TTSX made that is a varmint bullet
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Post by moosemike on Mar 11, 2024 16:42:01 GMT -5
As far as the 45-70 I began hunting with blackpowder loads this past season. A 405 at 1,300 fps. I learned about the rainbow trajectory the old timers had to deal with on the third day when I cut hair off a Doe's belly at 135 yards. I've also begun loading my 10 gauge with blackpowder
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Mar 11, 2024 17:46:01 GMT -5
A barnes TTSX is not a varmint bullet.They open up but retain close to 80% of their weight.They also penetrate like crazy.Because they don't fragment,you can use a much lighter bullet and push them at higher velocities.They're also longer than a lead core bullet because they aren't as dense so a heavier bullet will take up more case capacity.An 80 or 85gr Barnes bullet in a .243 is extremely deadly. Sounds good on their web site, but I doubt I'll be trying them, I'm too much old school, it matches my age.😁 Besides my youngest grandson is moving up from a 243 to a 308 this coming season, for both bear and deer.
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Post by davet on Mar 11, 2024 17:49:27 GMT -5
My 325 Hornady loads average roughly 2100fps. I loaded these for bear but use them for deer too. Zeroed at 100yds the bullet will drop about 3" at 150yds, and 10" at 200 according to my ballistics program.
Real life the bullet drops a bit more, but not like MM's "cannonball" round of BP!!!
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Post by moosemike on Mar 11, 2024 17:58:36 GMT -5
My 325 Hornady loads average roughly 2100fps. I loaded these for bear but use them for deer too. Zeroed at 100yds the bullet will drop about 3" at 150yds, and 10" at 200 according to my ballistics program. Real life the bullet drops a bit more, but not like MM's "cannonball" round of BP!!! Ouch! Are you using a muzzle brake or something?
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Post by Dutch on Mar 11, 2024 18:10:46 GMT -5
A barnes TTSX is not a varmint bullet.They open up but retain close to 80% of their weight.They also penetrate like crazy.Because they don't fragment,you can use a much lighter bullet and push them at higher velocities.They're also longer than a lead core bullet because they aren't as dense so a heavier bullet will take up more case capacity.An 80 or 85gr Barnes bullet in a .243 is extremely deadly. Sounds good on their web site, but I doubt I'll be trying them, I'm too much old school, it matches my age.😁 Besides my youngest grandson is moving up from a 243 to a 308 this coming season, for both bear and deer. Here is a 100 grain 6.5 mm Barnes TTSX after it went thru a doe. When I weighed it, it was 99 grains.
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Post by davet on Mar 11, 2024 18:12:49 GMT -5
My 325 Hornady loads average roughly 2100fps. I loaded these for bear but use them for deer too. Zeroed at 100yds the bullet will drop about 3" at 150yds, and 10" at 200 according to my ballistics program. Real life the bullet drops a bit more, but not like MM's "cannonball" round of BP!!! Ouch! Are you using a muzzle brake or something? My factory Marliin has a Limbsaver recoil pad. If you don't have one on your 45-70....you will suffer needlessly.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 11, 2024 18:13:10 GMT -5
One of the worst experiences I ever had hunting was back in the late 70s. My buddy hit a fawn with a 243, 100 grain Coreloct and it exploded on the shoulder. Had to chase down a three legged deer.
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Post by moosemike on Mar 11, 2024 21:13:46 GMT -5
I have the same rubber recoil pad the Guide Gun comes in. Years ago I had the Guide Gun in 450 Marlin. That was a 325 at 2,200. I can't take that anymore. Most I can handle in a 325 is 1,850
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Post by dougl on Mar 12, 2024 9:25:00 GMT -5
A barnes TTSX is not a varmint bullet.They open up but retain close to 80% of their weight.They also penetrate like crazy.Because they don't fragment,you can use a much lighter bullet and push them at higher velocities.They're also longer than a lead core bullet because they aren't as dense so a heavier bullet will take up more case capacity.An 80 or 85gr Barnes bullet in a .243 is extremely deadly. Sounds good on their web site, but I doubt I'll be trying them, I'm too much old school, it matches my age.😁 Besides my youngest grandson is moving up from a 243 to a 308 this coming season, for both bear and deer. They really shine with the smaller calibers but no real advantage on deer with a .308.My all time favorite deer load fpr the .308 is a 165gr accubond with 45gr Varget I buy Nosler blems from Shooter's pro shop.Usually,they're above 50% off.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 12, 2024 9:48:31 GMT -5
My brother has used the Barnes X bullets in his 250 Savage for decades. 87 grain? Deer seldom run.
My nieces used that gun the last two years, and killed does and a buck. They used it because it was the last gun their great grandpa used to kill his last deer, a 160 lb buck.
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Post by moosemike on Mar 12, 2024 11:35:56 GMT -5
Yeah the monometal bullets are just what the Doc ordered for small calibers. But my Son switched to them for his 35 Whelen and I use them in my 45-70 lever action. My 45-70 single shot gets fed pure lead and holy black
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