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Post by fleroo on Apr 23, 2024 12:40:58 GMT -5
Ok. I just read what you posted. I reckon I'm still kinda in the dark ? Each of the 34 counts are "FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE". Doesn't tell me much of how this ties into paying "hush money" to a pornographic whore that he was schtookin'. So help me out here. Is it the fact that he ran the money through his corporation, etc... thus the whore money (that he apparently paid to her 34 times ?) is subject to financial restrictions based on a corporation, or LLC, or something of that nature ? If so, the dumb ass should have just paid her out of Melania's jewelry fund, or Eric and Don Jr's monthly allowance. LOL. I still don't see anything being overtly egregious here. Cooking the books to inflate property worth, in order to secure lower interest loans, is much more "offensive" IMHO. THIRTY FOUR TIMES! ? She musta been a real humdinger!
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Post by westfieldjoe on Apr 23, 2024 12:46:57 GMT -5
Will Pecker go back up today?
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Post by fleroo on Apr 23, 2024 13:38:42 GMT -5
What irony, eh ?
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 23, 2024 14:05:12 GMT -5
The fact that the feds did not take up the case makes one wonder how strong the case actually is any why the Bragg decided to take the case from misdemeanors to felonies.........
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Post by fleroo on Apr 23, 2024 14:09:20 GMT -5
I'm the furthest thing from a Trump fan, but this "Stormy" crap is a crock of $%^&. Again, IMHO.
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Post by jwk on Apr 23, 2024 14:12:58 GMT -5
Will Pecker go back up today? If not, they have a pill for that.
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 23, 2024 14:13:19 GMT -5
I'm the furthest thing from a Trump fan, but this "Stormy" crap is a crock of $%^&. Again, IMHO. Yep. A massive reach from a politically motivated Bragg. He may get convicted as all bets are off when a jury is involved. One just never knows how it will go. When I served on a jury in a civil trial, opinions can be all over the place after we all watched the same evidence. There was no doubt in my mind that bias was invloved in some of them. I would not be suprised at all if this trial comes back in a hung jury.
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Post by davet on Apr 23, 2024 14:14:05 GMT -5
Ok. I just read what you posted. I reckon I'm still kinda in the dark ? Each of the 34 counts are "FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE". Doesn't tell me much of how this ties into paying "hush money" to a pornographic whore that he was schtookin'. So help me out here. Is it the fact that he ran the money through his corporation, etc... thus the whore money (that he apparently paid to her 34 times ?) is subject to financial restrictions based on a corporation, or LLC, or something of that nature ? If so, the dumb ass should have just paid her out of Melania's jewelry fund, or Eric and Don Jr's monthly allowance. LOL. I still don't see anything being overtly egregious here. Cooking the books to inflate property worth, in order to secure lower interest loans, is much more "offensive" IMHO. THIRTY FOUR TIMES! ? She musta been a real humdinger! Here's the prosecution's opening remarks: “This was a planned, long-running conspiracy to influence the 2016 election, to help Donald Trump get elected through illegal expenditures to silence people who had something bad to say about his behavior,” prosecutor Matthew Colangelo said. “It was election fraud, pure and simple.”Then what Trump did to reimburse Cohen was pay him a series of payments, and classify on his books that the payments were for legal cost associated with a trust fund. So....you might say "So What". The hush money is a bribe. (Either that or payment for sex and I think that's illegal in NY as well.) If this type of transaction is legal, then why would Trump go through all the trouble of handling it this way? Why not just cut her a check for the $130K? Because it's illegal to do what he did. End of story. If your local tax collector paid someone to not disclose that he was a child predator, would you have voted for him if you knew he was? Likely not. Many people frown on public officials who pay off whores so the public can't find out.
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Post by fleroo on Apr 23, 2024 14:20:09 GMT -5
THAT is a complete stretch. It can be as simple as paying cash to a ho that you're boinkin' to keep your wife from finding out. It happens every hour of every day of every year.
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Post by fleroo on Apr 23, 2024 14:22:05 GMT -5
See that annoying little "wife" thing that I mentioned above.
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Post by davet on Apr 23, 2024 14:23:53 GMT -5
THAT is a complete stretch. It can be as simple as paying cash to a ho that you're boinkin' to keep your wife from finding out. It happens every hour of every day of every year. If it were a stretch....then why go through the elaborate paper trail of having Cohen pay the HO, then reimburse Cohen in a series of smaller amounts, while classifying them as legal expenses? Me thinks Trump knew it was illegal from the start.....hence the scheme of how the money flow was handled.
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Post by fleroo on Apr 23, 2024 14:27:01 GMT -5
Again. See that annoying little "wife" thing that I mentioned above. Unless there is a massive pre-nup, can you imagine how much he will pay for ANOTHER divorce ? I can think of hundreds of millions of reasons to pay the ho quietly.
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 23, 2024 14:27:25 GMT -5
Every political commercial and phone call between now and November of this year is meant to influence the election which is not illegal. The way the books were cooked may have been illegal but to come up with 34 criminal counts is hilarious for a hush money payment to a porn star.
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Post by bushmaster on Apr 23, 2024 14:31:45 GMT -5
This all happened 8 years ago. The DOJ and local authorities determined they didn't have a case. Now 6 months prior to an election they have a case? Seems like a big sham. Election interference in my eyes. Regardless of outcome Trumps chance of winning will increase because it's so obvious.
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Post by fleroo on Apr 23, 2024 14:33:37 GMT -5
It's so completely stupid, I may vote for him again. Ok......... KIDDING ! But it's good and stupid.
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Post by Loggy on Apr 23, 2024 15:05:01 GMT -5
THAT is a complete stretch. It can be as simple as paying cash to a ho that you're boinkin' to keep your wife from finding out. It happens every hour of every day of every year. If it were a stretch....then why go through the elaborate paper trail of having Cohen pay the HO, then reimburse Cohen in a series of smaller amounts, while classifying them as legal expenses? Me thinks Trump knew it was illegal from the start.....hence the scheme of how the money flow was handled. Nah Dave Trump would never do such a thing!!LOL I testified in criminal trials plus assisted with developing grand jury criminal cases. This appears to be a solidly developed case supported by corroborated documents. It’s common procedure to levy an indictment charge for each criminal falsifying act in this case 34. Don’t underestimate the Bragg prosecution team…..just ask Trumps CFO currently in prison! LOL
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Post by Loggy on Apr 23, 2024 16:12:43 GMT -5
Every political commercial and phone call between now and November of this year is meant to influence the election which is not illegal. The way the books were cooked may have been illegal but to come up with 34 criminal counts is hilarious for a hush money payment to a porn star. As you seemed surprised with a 34 count indictment in a transaction based criminal trial so here’s a lil education. First this is quite common. Why….each count will only have a certain brief outline referring to a voucher, check, journal or accounting entry & ledger. That’s all the prosecutors required to show in an indictment. They rarely show all their cards. Ok what else is there? Based on my experience could be: AFEs(signed authorization for expenditure), signed internal memorandums, emails related to transaction, texts, approvals for vouchers reclassification, underlying contractual agreements, exhibits or addendums, phone transcripts, contemporaneous notes etc etc. Bottom line that’s why cases such as this normally possess multiple count indictments as each will take on a life of their own when all the associated corroborated evidence is affixed to each specific indictment. That’s why this trial will run likely over a month for the prosecution team to run through all the evidence spanning the 34 individual criminal counts. That’s all I’m gonna say for now on this case. Will chime in after the jury comes back with their verdict. Id say a 50/50 chance of a hung jury but one never knows. Stay tuned!😀
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Post by davet on Apr 23, 2024 16:17:18 GMT -5
Again. See that annoying little "wife" thing that I mentioned above. Unless there is a massive pre-nup, can you imagine how much he will pay for ANOTHER divorce ? I can think of hundreds of millions of reasons to pay the ho quietly. You really think Melania reviews the books of account of Trumps business? Come on man...
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Post by fleroo on Apr 23, 2024 16:43:10 GMT -5
Has nothing to do with her reviewing books. I'm saying he tried like hell to hide the porn star tryst by hiding how she was getting paid so Melania didn't find out. In the long run, she found out anyhow I reckon. Divorces are expensive for supposed Billionaires.
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Post by fleroo on Apr 23, 2024 16:45:51 GMT -5
Hung jury only if one of her porn partners are on the jury! COME ON ! IT WASN'T THAT BAD OF A JOKE!
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Post by davet on Apr 23, 2024 17:22:54 GMT -5
Has nothing to do with her reviewing books. I'm saying he tried like hell to hide the porn star trist by hiding how she was getting paid so Melania didn't find out. In the long run, she found out anyhow I reckon. Divorces are expensive for supposed Billionaires. They have a pre-nup. The cost are known to both parties.
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Post by davet on Apr 23, 2024 17:26:07 GMT -5
If it were a stretch....then why go through the elaborate paper trail of having Cohen pay the HO, then reimburse Cohen in a series of smaller amounts, while classifying them as legal expenses? Me thinks Trump knew it was illegal from the start.....hence the scheme of how the money flow was handled. Nah Dave Trump would never do such a thing!!LOL I testified in criminal trials plus assisted with developing grand jury criminal cases. This appears to be a solidly developed case supported by corroborated documents. It’s common procedure to levy an indictment charge for each criminal falsifying act in this case 34. Don’t underestimate the Bragg prosecution team…..just ask Trumps CFO currently in prison! LOL Ha!! "War stories". I've done fraud\theft of funds many times during my career. Documenting the evidence and then testifying in court. Any case I was involved in resulted in a guilty verdict. (I'm not saying I was that good, but the evidence was pretty clear) I "wore a lot of hats" when I worked. But those fraud\theft audits and subsequent testimony were probably the most memorable and ....don't tell anyone.....fun!!
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Post by stroupy on Apr 24, 2024 4:56:54 GMT -5
Trump campaigning in New Jersey polls showing race is close there. Good thing he's tied up close by for a couple weeks.
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 24, 2024 6:41:55 GMT -5
As you seemed surprised with a 34 count indictment in a transaction based criminal trial so here’s a lil education. Not surprised at all with the 34 counts when the case was passed over by the feds then taken up by a politically motivated Bragg. Thanks for the "education" though..................
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 24, 2024 6:45:16 GMT -5
The people in the middle always hammer the orange man. If they were truly in the middle they would say good things about him and bad but it's always bad and he's Hitler... I asked you yesterday but maybe you missed it. " Stroupy. In your opinion, am I right, left or in the middle? Just so I am clear who you people in the middle is referring to."
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