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Post by Dutch on Oct 27, 2023 20:34:12 GMT -5
Amazing things this guy is doing with a drone with thermal imaging. Apparently, there are a number working under him in various parts of the country. In some of his videos he's speaking Dutch, as he is former Amish, and locating deer for Amish
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Post by cspot on Oct 30, 2023 19:28:10 GMT -5
I have been watching some of his videos. Pretty impressive. I know the one video the thermal imaging allow you to see the deer foot prints as it walked away. Really neat. I think I looked up his drone that he uses and it is about 13k. I would guess as that technology becomes cheaper there will be some hunters that will be using it for other reasons.
I would assume in PA that this is illegal for deer recovery? Haven't really researched it but I would guess that this falls under using electronic devices?
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Post by Dutch on Oct 30, 2023 21:39:03 GMT -5
I'd guess it falls under that electronics as well. Sad, but if it leads to the recovery of a deer, how can that be bad?
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Post by ridgecommander on Oct 31, 2023 6:36:00 GMT -5
Illegal to use in Pa but many are trying to change that. Pa Game Commission picks and chooses which electornic laws to enforce and this is one they have chosen to take a stand on. Here in Pa someone fishing can drive around and use the newest sonar to actually see fish underwater in hi resolution, then fish for them, yet someone can't use a drone to look for a deer that was hit and not easily found.
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Post by Loggy on Oct 31, 2023 7:24:13 GMT -5
Amazing how far technology has advanced.
On fishing sonars primary use is to foster a watercraft's safe navigation. Another commonly discussed topic..... you are allowed to chum for fish in most areas whereby baiting is not allowed most areas while hunting in PA. Really hard to correlate hunting and fishing methodologies especially in fishing factoring in "catch & release" which isn't an available option for hunting. The inherent methodology in carrying out each sport is so vastly different really hard to make a meaningful correlation between the two. Personally, I would only support drone usuage in a hunting setting if it could somehow be strickly regulated for solely for game recovery not as a hunting aid to find game.
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Post by Dutch on Oct 31, 2023 7:32:34 GMT -5
And cell cams, I'm sure, are a gray area
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Post by ridgecommander on Oct 31, 2023 8:58:25 GMT -5
Tracking a wounded animal is considered "hunting". Using a flashlight to track is a violation of our electronics regs.
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Post by rusty on Oct 31, 2023 9:02:15 GMT -5
A great tool for game recovery. I don't think they should be allowed for locating game to be hunted. I also believe that trail cameras that send real-time info during open season should be considered an illegal hunting tool.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Oct 31, 2023 9:11:48 GMT -5
Using sonar for finding fish is completely different than using thermal imaging to find animals, even though both will do the same thing. I have used both methods, sonar for fish and thermal imaging for fire fighting. Bottom line is I still need to get a fish to take my bait or lurer to bag it. Using TI, if legal, could be used to help bag an animal, but at much greater distance. Cell cams can also be used in the same manner to help take a game animal. I'm on the fence with both, I can see the good and the bad of both. I would like to see cell cams made illegal during any big game season, but would allow non cell cams. I would also like to see TI made illegal to find non wounded game during any big game season. I have no problem with using it to find wounded game, as long as a final decision can be made either from the air or on the ground if the animal can survive it's wounds.In other words, you can't use it to help bag an animal, and if you do the penalty will be very server.
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Post by Loggy on Oct 31, 2023 9:46:09 GMT -5
A great tool for game recovery. I don't think they should be allowed for locating game to be hunted. I also believe that trail cameras that send real-time info during open season should be considered an illegal hunting tool. Totally agree.
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Post by rusty on Oct 31, 2023 10:04:23 GMT -5
Anytime I've been in a boat using sonar it is to see depth, bottom features/structure. Even if fish are on the screen, knowing what bait is best and how to present it is a key to catching them. Comparing sonar to drones and live pics of game sent to a hunter's phone is quite a stretch IMO.
Last week a friend told me about helping his son recover a doe he shot with his bow. His son is color blind to the point he cannot not follow a blood trail. When he got to his son waiting at his stand he was told the deer was down just on the other side of small stream below the stand-his son had bought a pair of Thermo imaging binoculars that showed a hot spot about 80 yards below them. If the use of them is legal for game recovery(we assumed they are), I could see them in my fanny pack soon-Following a light blood trail gets harder on these older eyes every year.
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Post by ridgecommander on Oct 31, 2023 10:20:45 GMT -5
People often attach different moral and ethical standards to different things. If we see a big carpenter ant, many smash it but would not think about smashing a toad with a stick. People often have no problem stringing fish to allow them to suffocate, bot loathe the thought of a deer suffering. Many have no problem using sonar to fish over a school of yellowtail snapper, but have issues with using a drone to see what field the deer are in.
I am not advocating for one or the other. It is just an interesting discussion. Many let their biases affect their views on the subject. Those that regularly use sonar while fishing are apt to be more defensive about its use when comparing it to using electronics while hunting. Whether that comparison is legit or not.
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Post by ridgecommander on Oct 31, 2023 10:31:51 GMT -5
Another sonar image. This one side scan. I know big bass tournamenet guys that drive past docks and stop at the ones holding fish. I know some wont like the comparison, but the comparison is real to using some electonics while hunting. One is widely accepted, but the other taboo to many. Yes, you still have to "fish" for the fish, but one still has to "hunt" for the deer once you locate them. Many stalks end in failure. Understanding that many use sonar just for depth and bottom countours, but some exceptional sonars are out there that are being utilized by fisherman to signifcantly increase the success.
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Post by acorn20 on Oct 31, 2023 15:05:47 GMT -5
I'm sure that if you are going to operate a 14K dollar drone, there's some certification linked to it. My oldest son had to learn to fly an 18K drone for West Penn Power and was sent to the Pittsburgh area for certification. He said they have to abide with strict FAA rules and regulations and I'm sure the average Joe isn't going to put in the time or cost associated with that.
I think I'd be OK with someone with that kind of certification operating a company, of sorts, that could help the hunter recover game...sort of like the people that have dogs that recover wounded deer. The police have certified operators that are using those very drones to help locate individuals that elude them in heavy cover.
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Post by Dutch on Oct 31, 2023 15:35:28 GMT -5
I started hunting in 1973. When I look back at all the new stuff since then, that many of us now use, it's funny we even have these discussions.
My buddy and I put up 4 pop up blinds the other day. He'd never used one. First he was impressed how easy it was, second, he said, on a rainy day when I'd be heading out of the woods, I can jump in one of these. No, it doesn't tell you where the deer are, but it keeps you hunting longer.
How about the Tungsten shot everyone uses for turkeys? If that ain't an advantage, I don't know what is. Used to be a 25-30 yd game to kill a gobbler, now with fancy choke tubes and tungsten....
My nephew's wife texted me that she saw a deer in the field we were both hunting. I looked over and saw a deer 250yds away. Had that ambled over to us, and we'd have killed it, would that be illegal? It actually started walking our way. It's funny because when I later talked to her, the deer she saw, walked the other way, we were looking at two different deer, in the same field. Lol
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Post by Dutch on Oct 31, 2023 16:31:03 GMT -5
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Post by moosemike on Oct 31, 2023 17:30:37 GMT -5
No thanks. I've been harassed by a drone while hunting. I have zero interest in legalizing drones to be flying around looking for deer
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Post by acorn20 on Oct 31, 2023 20:08:59 GMT -5
Dutch, my dad would be 100 years old if he were living and that heated chair is a far cry from his bloused woolrich hunting outfit, Maine hunting boots and his Savage Model 99 in .303 caliber with open sights.
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Post by Dutch on Oct 31, 2023 22:15:12 GMT -5
Dutch, my dad would be 100 years old if he were living and that heated chair is a far cry from his bloused woolrich hunting outfit, Maine hunting boots and his Savage Model 99 in .303 caliber with open sights. And right there, you identified how things have changed
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Post by Dutch on Oct 31, 2023 22:16:12 GMT -5
No thanks. I've been harassed by a drone while hunting. I have zero interest in legalizing drones to be flying around looking for deer As you can see, it's done mostly at night
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Post by moosemike on Nov 1, 2023 6:24:25 GMT -5
That's when outlaws operate. It's a can of worms best not opened
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Nov 1, 2023 6:24:59 GMT -5
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Post by rusty on Nov 1, 2023 8:31:44 GMT -5
I never thought I would use a release for shooting my bow, but about 8 or 10 years ago the arthritis in my hands got to a point that made the pain too bad, I finally gave in. And, I admit, it takes much less practice to shoot tight groups and there's no finger pinch with the shorter bows. I still use a shooting tab when shooting my recurve.
I guess we can justify anything to ourselves when it comes to compromising our own ethics. For some, any legal means to kill their game is the ethical guide for everything. There even a few others that will ignore laws they feel are too restrictive or they simply disagree with-baiting is a big one in PA.
Change is inevitable, but I hope any efforts to make the use of tech to give us real-time location of the game we hunt of limits to hunters.
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Post by Dutch on Nov 1, 2023 9:49:15 GMT -5
Here's mine. $7.99
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Post by dougl on Nov 1, 2023 11:24:08 GMT -5
Some people believe in drawing some sort of a line,others like Ridge think it should just be open season with technology.I'll continue to do things my way and not make excuses to myself.If a guy want to track his foodplots with cell cams,sit in his heated blind with his scoped crossbow resting in a vise,so be it.If the pictures make him proud,that's all that counts.When he gut shoots that buck and calls a drone in to recover it,the tears will flow but he'll still get that rack.Screw the deer that suffered and died a lingering death for 14 hours.Sorry but that's what hunting has sunken to on many levels.
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