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Post by ridgecommander on Aug 14, 2022 5:57:20 GMT -5
So this was posted somewhere else. Title 34 says that the elk drawing needs to be held at the visitors center. It is not. The drawing is held off site then the awardees are announced there.
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Post by Dutch on Aug 14, 2022 6:33:21 GMT -5
Any idea where the drawing is held?
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Post by ridgecommander on Aug 14, 2022 6:56:14 GMT -5
Any idea where the drawing is held? Harrisburg, or so I have been old. The drawing is done ahead of time, then they go through a re-enactment at the Visitors Center.
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Post by ridgecommander on Aug 15, 2022 19:16:07 GMT -5
So much for some saying that the PGC is bound by law in their actions. Here is a good example. The illegal trapping season structure is another.
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Post by Dutch on Aug 15, 2022 22:20:54 GMT -5
So much for some saying that the PGC is bound by law in their actions. Here is a good example. The illegal trapping season structure is another. Correct. They simply ignore the law.
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Post by Dutch on Aug 15, 2022 22:26:06 GMT -5
So much for some saying that the PGC is bound by law in their actions. Here is a good example. The illegal trapping season structure is another. And when I confronted JohnS with the law, all he said was, that's how we do it. Azzholes
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Post by timberdoodle on Aug 16, 2022 8:31:31 GMT -5
§ 104. Title not to apply in certain cases. None of the provisions or requirements of this title shall be construed to apply to any member of the commission, or any of its lawfully qualified representatives or duly appointed officers or any other person charged with the enforcement of this title, when acting in any manner for the commission. This title shall not be construed to impose any liability upon any person while acting in a lawful manner and within the limitations of this title or performing any lawful duty or function imposed or authorized by this title.
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Post by davet on Aug 16, 2022 8:34:48 GMT -5
So much for some saying that the PGC is bound by law in their actions. Here is a good example. The illegal trapping season structure is another. Well...I'm in the dark here.....what illegal trapping season do you refer to??
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Post by fleroo on Aug 16, 2022 8:35:45 GMT -5
My brother from a Beaver County mother, you HAVE TO HAVE more concerns in life, than where the PGC holds an Elk drawing ? CHILL BRO, CHILL !
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Post by ridgecommander on Aug 16, 2022 11:06:57 GMT -5
My brother from a Beaver County mother, you HAVE TO HAVE more concerns in life, than where the PGC holds an Elk drawing ? Is it high up on my list of concerns? No. What is interesting is when the PGC or people associated with the PGC fire off that hunters are always looking for loopholes in hunting laws and regs, but the PGC ignores a black and white law when it comes to the elk drawing. Then they remain silent when it is questioned.
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Post by ridgecommander on Aug 16, 2022 11:14:09 GMT -5
Well...I'm in the dark here.....what illegal trapping season do you refer to?? It was only legal to check sets, re-make them or dispatch animals on Sundays. Going into the field with new traps or to make new sets on Sunday is not legal.
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Post by fleroo on Aug 16, 2022 13:30:43 GMT -5
PHEW ! Good. Didn't want you runnin' to Doc Feelgood for a script of Lexapro.
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Post by rs on Aug 16, 2022 15:42:13 GMT -5
Well...I'm in the dark here.....what illegal trapping season do you refer to?? Trapping seasons used to begin on Sundays. It was only legal to check sets, re-make them or dispatch animals on Sundays. Going into the field to make new sets on Sunday was not legal. The PGC admitted that by the law, opening the season on Sunday was not legal but they chose to allow it and not enforce it. When did trapping seasons begin on a Sunday, just asking, I never remember them starting on a Sunday. Give the year and what trapping season if you have it.
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Post by ridgecommander on Aug 16, 2022 17:45:36 GMT -5
When did trapping seasons begin on a Sunday, just asking, I never remember them starting on a Sunday. Give the year and what trapping season if you have it. I am confusing myself, lol. I thought they began on Sundays. There is something with our current trapping laws and regs that conflicts with how the PGC enforces it. Maybe Dutch can chime in cause we had this discussion a few years ago with some folks from the PGC. I edited my other post.
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Post by timberdoodle on Aug 16, 2022 20:27:09 GMT -5
translation: He has no idea
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Post by Dutch on Aug 16, 2022 20:50:01 GMT -5
I'll be darned, they are now starting trapping season on October 22 this year, a Saturday. I wonder.....hmmmmmmm
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Post by Dutch on Aug 16, 2022 20:52:55 GMT -5
Carrying a trap on a Sunday is evidence of "hi hunting". Hunting on a Sunday is illegal. So,on a Sunday, you may check your traps and RESET them, but you cannot, legally, carry a trap with you.
So, you could take a fox out of a trap on a Sunday, and RESET it, but do not make a new set, with a new trap on a Sunday
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Post by rs on Aug 16, 2022 21:14:04 GMT -5
Carrying a trap on a Sunday is evidence of "hi hunting". Hunting on a Sunday is illegal. So,on a Sunday, you may check your traps and RESET them, but you cannot, legally, carry a trap with you. So, you could take a fox out of a trap on a Sunday, and RESET it, but do not make a new set, with a new trap on a Sunday As long as I could remember, you could always hunt fox on Sunday, crows and coyotes, as well.
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Post by Dutch on Aug 16, 2022 21:20:38 GMT -5
Carrying a trap on a Sunday is evidence of "hi hunting". Hunting on a Sunday is illegal. So,on a Sunday, you may check your traps and RESET them, but you cannot, legally, carry a trap with you. So, you could take a fox out of a trap on a Sunday, and RESET it, but do not make a new set, with a new trap on a Sunday As long as I could remember, you could always hunt fox on Sunday, crows and coyotes, as well. Correct. That said, you couldn't set a trap for coons, muskrats, possums, skunks, etc., on a Sunday, right?
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Post by rs on Aug 16, 2022 21:28:44 GMT -5
As long as I could remember, you could always hunt fox on Sunday, crows and coyotes, as well. Correct. That said, you couldn't set a trap for coons, muskrats, possums, skunks, etc., on a Sunday, right? No, but you could for foxes and coyotes.
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Post by ridgecommander on Aug 17, 2022 6:27:50 GMT -5
translation: He has no idea Hey, we all have brain farts. I believe I found where the trapping season did open on a Sunday. Maybe I wasn't foggy after all, lol.
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Post by ridgecommander on Aug 17, 2022 6:31:53 GMT -5
I did find this for the 2010 season. October 24th was a Sunday. The PGC did not have the authority to open the season on that date.
2010-11 TRAPPING SEASONS
MINK and MUSKRAT: Nov. 20–Jan. 9. Unlimited.
COYOTE, FOXES, OPOSSUM, RACCOON, SKUNKS and WEASELS: Oct. 24–Feb. 20. No limit.
COYOTE and FOXES (Statewide) Cable Restraints: Dec. 26-Feb. 20. No limit. Participants must pass cable restraint certification course.
BEAVER (Statewide): Dec. 26–March 31 (Limits vary depending on WMU).
BOBCAT (WMUs 2A, 2C, 2E, 2F, 2G, 3A, 3B, 3C, 3D, 4A, 4D and 4E): Dec. 18-Jan. 9. One bobcat per license year, but all licensed furtakers may obtain one permit.
FISHER (WMUs 2C, 2D, 2E and 2F): Dec. 18-23. One fisher per license year, but all licensed furtakers may obtain one permit.
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Post by Dutch on Aug 17, 2022 18:04:07 GMT -5
I was told by members of the PTA to not make a big deal about the letter of the SH law as it pertains to trapping. However, it's in Title 34, clearly. You simply cannot carry a trap on a Sunday. I guess if that trap is being set for foxes or coyotes, thats an exception, but plenty of possums have been caught in fox traps, set on a Sunday.
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Post by Dutch on Aug 17, 2022 18:05:31 GMT -5
Also, generally, the day before those Sunday openers, was the beginning of grouse season, and we all know how dog hunters feel about trappers.
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Post by rs on Aug 18, 2022 3:39:39 GMT -5
I did find this for the 2010 season. October 24th was a Sunday. The PGC did not have the authority to open the season on that date. 2010-11 TRAPPING SEASONS MINK and MUSKRAT: Nov. 20–Jan. 9. Unlimited. COYOTE, FOXES, OPOSSUM, RACCOON, SKUNKS and WEASELS: Oct. 24–Feb. 20. No limit.COYOTE and FOXES (Statewide) Cable Restraints: Dec. 26-Feb. 20. No limit. Participants must pass cable restraint certification course. BEAVER (Statewide): Dec. 26–March 31 (Limits vary depending on WMU). BOBCAT (WMUs 2A, 2C, 2E, 2F, 2G, 3A, 3B, 3C, 3D, 4A, 4D and 4E): Dec. 18-Jan. 9. One bobcat per license year, but all licensed furtakers may obtain one permit. FISHER (WMUs 2C, 2D, 2E and 2F): Dec. 18-23. One fisher per license year, but all licensed furtakers may obtain one permit. If you look at the Furbearer hunting season for that year, you will see that it started on October 23. If you look at the decades before and the decade since 2010, you will see that the furbearer hunting and trapping seasons came in on the same day and it was not on Sundays. A careful observer would conclude 2010 was just an oversight due to an error in setting the date of the 2010 trapping season and whomever set the date was probably looking at the 2009 calendar year when they picked the starting date, but yes, the 2010 trapping season was set to start on a Sunday.
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