SEVEN DEER !

[fleroo]

There's a "disabled" dude (his knees hurt) that sits in a tent, in a field, on a bordering property. He has killed 7 deer so far. 1 buck, 6 doe. He has shot at least 12 times, as there are guys on my place that can see his blind from their elevated stands. That means some misses, and of course, some hits. Two of those hit deer have made their way onto my property. One is a fawn with a blown out and hanging left front leg. We are trying to kill this poor bastard, but the shots just were not there yet. I do not want a doe, and no desire to kill one, but I have carried the rifle to try and find this deer.

Anyhow, this disabled cat is a friend of my pal "Grumpy" also. I told Grumpy that gimpy boy could only legally harvest 4 deer this year. 1 buck, 3 from applying at the proper time periods, and 1 more for any WMU's that have unsolds after a certain date. Grumpy said he thought gimpy can harvest 6. Well, I ate some crow last night, and found I was wr....wr....wr.... well, you know. I actually found that gimpy boy can indeed legally harvest 6 doe.

This D-Bag kills sh!t just to see things die, and it pisses me off to no end. That said, there is not a damn thing I can do about it. But I have to ask, other than DMAP properties that are overrun with deer.... or they are trying to protect forests, do they really have to allow 7 deer to be harvested per one hunter ?

And... I certainly do understand why some other states are so liberal with harvests. It's because other states have way less hunters to get the job done.

[Dutch]

I guess the idea is to get tags into the hands of those that have access and can kill deer.

[moosey]

I hate people like that. They're just killers

[fleroo]

I guess the idea is to get tags into the hands of those that have access and can kill deer.

EFFING BRILLIANT !

Yonder here in the "Land of the Cong", for every one guy that ethically and morally want to harvest 7 deer and put them to good use, there are ten that don't. Yet, they legally can.

[fleroo]

My neighbor, whose land that this wanker is on, doesn't hunt. He's a nice guy, and disabled boy is a cousin to his wife by marriage. When I say disable "boy", the cat is 68. So you'd think he would have had his fill of this crap quite some time ago. Again, Fayette-Cong mindsets mindsets abound in these parts.

Last year, I personally heard him shoot on two different occasions, and watched vehicles pull up to the shed where he parks, load the deer, and drive off. Again, not illegal if you are allowed a pocket full of tags.

There is one angle however, that can be used to curb his enthusiasm. Tim, the landowner where gimpy boy hunts, feeds the deer all year on his sand mound. He has a bird feeder on the mound, and he goes out and tosses table scraps too. I do the table scrap tango also. And it's not uncommon to have the deer run and stand within 5-10 feet of you when they see you or hear a bag rattle. The difference, I'm not killing these deer.

Gimpy boys tent is 70 yards behind Tims trailer, and within 100 or so yards from the sand mound. At this point, I'm not going to rock the boat. But I'm gonna have Grumpy put a bug in his ear, and see if his tactics may change next year.

[dougl]

Every parcel of the state is different.Some areas have far too many deer and not enough hunters to get the job done.About the only thing the PGC can do is let the people who will kill the deer have the tags.It wouldn't bother me one bit if they just allowed unlimited tags in this part of the state.Other than some isolated spots where I never hunt,there simply isn't enough hunters to kill what needs to be killed.Every year it get's worse.We kill a lot of deer but we also put the time in year round and we actually hunt.We're picky with our shots,pass more than we shoot and cleanly kill what we shoot at.We also don't shoot more than one at a time.I put a moratorium on that several years ago because I don't want to deal with more than one or two deer at a time.I have no doubt that it would rub some people the wrong way if they knew how many we kill but I feel no guilt about it what so ever.We hunt multiple different TWPS IN several counties and don't go in like a swarm of locusts and kill everything we see.In fact,I can guarantee that we have zero impact on the deer herd in any area where we hunt.If there really wasn't many deer near your place,I'd have a word with the neighbor.That wouldn't bother me near as much as the guy wounding two deer and taking 12 shots to kill 6 deer.

[dougl]

Here's another perspective.My one neighbor owns 50 acres,lets only one guy and his grandson hunt and they're closely supervised.About 20 of those acres is a field with a narrow strip of woods right in front of my house.He plants 2 acres of corn on an old well pad less than 100 yards from my front door and has a tower stand looking over it.He probably plants a total of 15 acres of corn and it's for the deer.There's nothing commercial about it,yet he constantly bitches about the deer wiping it out lol.He's killed two bucks in the past two years from that stand that are both pushing or exceeding 150".Absolute giants that I've never seen,even though they died less than 75 yards from my yard lol.Everyone in this area is family except me and he doesn't let any of them step foot on his property.He killed a buck the first day and I really have no idea how many doe since then if any.Tomorrow though,him his buddy and his grandson plan on killing 10-12.Some of the neighbors are all worked up,mainly because he won't let them hunt and one even called the PGC on him.To my knowledge nothing happened but I'm positive if he has any tags at all,he just has one.I really could care less.We really don't kill deer near the house but someone really should.

[Dutch]

Ok, I'll come kill deer off your porch then. Lol

[davet]

Ok…..but what does he do with the deer? Does he butcher or have em butchered and eat them??

[dougl]

Dec 10, 2021 13:34:20 GMT -5 Dutch said:

Ok, I'll come kill deer off your porch then. Lol

That would be fine but if they ran onto his property,he'd cut your ears off.He's an awesome guy but extremely territorial.Here's the buck he killed last year.I never had a clue it was around.The one he shot this year was actually bigger but it was only an 11 point lol.Every now and then,Jordan will sit the last 20 minutes of daylights in my side field,hoping old Harry will bounce a doe out to him.Whenever he hears him shoot,he's in my driveway with about 15 minutes lol.

[fleroo]

I reckon I have a different way of thinking ? I have no idea which WMUs sold out and which didn't. But if the PGC wants to allow 6 doe tags in special reg areas, for those that have access to hunt those areas, have at it. For instance, 2B special reg. if you're a person lucky enough to have access in and around Mt. Lebanon, Upper St. Clair, Peters Twp. etc... and you can get a pocket full of tags legally, have at it. Here in 2A... well, MY area of 2A, it's bullsh!t. There's guys here that don't see a deer in days here. My son and I didn't see a deer the first and second day of the season a few years ago. And we do not push or drive deer off my place. We sit and wait. There is NO reason for a guy like gimpy, to be able to kill that many deer in this area. It's being a pig... period. And the PGC is making it quite legal for him to do so. So actually, it isn't his fault per se. It's the PGC's fault. In Bradford County, where those guys tell us that they push 20+ deer out in Flintlock on single drives, maybe it's different.

It is what it is. But I wont apologize for being pissed off about it.

[davet]

BUT DOES HE EAT THEM??

[dougl]

Dec 10, 2021 15:05:09 GMT -5 fleroo said:

I reckon I have a different way of thinking ? I have no idea which WMUs sold out and which didn't. But if the PGC wants to allow 6 doe tags in special reg areas, for those that have access to hunt those areas, have at it. For instance, 2B special reg. if you're a person lucky enough to have access in and around Mt. Lebanon, Upper St. Clair, Peters Twp. etc... and you can get a pocket full of tags legally, have at it. Here in 2A... well, MY area of 2A, it's bullsh!t. There's guys here that don't see a deer in days here. My son and I didn't see a deer the first and second day of the season a few years ago. And we do not push or drive deer off my place. We sit and wait. There is NO reason for a guy like gimpy, to be able to kill that many deer in this area. It's being a pig... period. And the PGC is making it quite legal for him to do so. So actually, it isn't his fault per se. It's the PGC's fault. In Bradford County, where those guys tell us that they push 20+ deer out in Flintlock on single drives, maybe it's different.

It is what it is. But I wont apologize for being pissed off about it.

You know what the deer situation is like near your place better than anyone on here.I wouldn't think you need to apologize for anything.We have too many deer up here,more land than you can hunt in a lifetime and not enough hunters.Twice this year I've put more than 20 deer past my son and that's with just me driving.We've only hunted twice.How many more did I push out that he didn't see?The few guys that I talked to in the woods sat all day and didn't see any.I almost want to say that's hard for me to believe but these deer have no reason to move unless you get them on their feet.You can sit for days up here and not see a deer because there's so few hunters in the woods,especially after the first day.

[fleroo]

BUT DOES HE EAT THEM??

SEVEN DEER. He's 68, doesn't hurt for money. It's him and his wife. Does he eat deer ? Probably. Does he eat SEVEN deer ? CMON MAN ! lol


How much freezer space does a fella need to store SEVEN deer ?

[dougl]

About 35lbs of lean boned meat from a deer x 7=245lbs.I just picked up a half of beef yesterday and it was 222lbs.

[bowbum]

Dec 10, 2021 15:51:48 GMT -5 fleroo said:

BUT DOES HE EAT THEM??

SEVEN DEER. He's 68, doesn't hurt for money. It's him and his wife. Does he eat deer ? Probably. Does he eat SEVEN deer ? CMON MAN ! lol


How much freezer space does a fella need to store SEVEN deer ?

My kid kills around 5 - 6 deer per year for him and his wife. He has a smoker, he makes sausage, jerky and all sorts of specialty stuff and he gives much of it to his two girls and his extended family in Michigan.

One reason is that he has sole permission to hunt a private 300 acre farm as a favor to his wife's in-laws and of course for the great opportunity at good bucks. The owner is most emphatic about killing lots of does to minimize crop damage.

My wife and I can no longer consume even 1 deer per year. But if it were made into sausage etc. I suspect we could manage to consume it all.
I don't begrudge anyone who kills several deer as long as they make use of it or give it to someone who does.

As for not letting anyone else hunt, I no longer allow anyone to hunt our property because everyone I once allowed broke the rules. Plain and simple!
 

[fleroo]

The owner is most emphatic about killing lots of does to minimize crop damage.

I certainly get that. A landowner that plants crops, and loses large volumes to deer, of course. There's also DMAP, and Red Tag ? But it sounds as if your sons landowner guy wants to control damage on 300 acres, but only lets your son hunt it ? Sounds counterproductive, but perhaps I misunderstood what you typed.

Th folks' property that gimpy sits on is a small "farmette". 30 acres. There is no agriculture in my vicinity. Not even corn. All of the "true" farms of 50 years ago, have seen the patriarch farmer die off, and the large farms sliced through subdivision. Sold mostly to urbanites that wanted their little "slice of heaven" I guess ?

[dennyf]

The problem with too many deer where my camp is, won't get resolved under current conditions. Posting is not the issue, a lack of hunters and hunter movement, is the problem. Gets worse each year and this season was one of the best examples of why we have so many deer there.

We had three inches of snow the first weekend into Thursday morning. All the wooded hillside areas around camp where I can normally spot bedded deer in the snow covered woods, were all but devoid of deer. I know from experience where most of the deer were holed up and no one ever ventured into any of them, to push deer out.

Also figured out that our deer had gone pretty much nocturnal after the first two days. Monday morning noticed all the deer tracks in the snow, down on the camp's lower lawn area next to the road. Same for the woods behind camp. The snow came overnight Sat. to Sunday. Few tracks up there Sunday morning, lots of tracks by Monday AM.

Eventually saw deer out feeding in the day time, in far fields I can see from my property. One huge area had no hunters in it this year, due to not being able to get up there. Creek banks washed out in the pre Labor Day flooding, no access even for ATVs. Talked to one guy whose family usually hunts up there, said the banks are four feet high on both sides of the creek that needs crossed to get up there.

Missed my best chance mid week when heading out thru my woods. Three doe heading uphill, but too far/too many trees for a shot with my M94. Had I been carrying one of my scoped rifles, probably could've picked one off?

[fleroo]

Many of you guys talk abut lack of hunters. I certainly get that in pockets of the state. But, here in my little world, we are simply covered up with hunters. And most of the first week I'll add.

What we are seeing though, and have been since X-Bow inception, is a paradigm shift to much, much more bow-hunting. I can guarantee you that accounts for much of the perceived or otherwise, lack of rifle participation in areas. PA still sells nearly 1 Million licenses. Sooooo many are archery hunting now for their favorite "slammer" though, that it takes many guys from the deer woods in rifle season. Many still participate in camp rituals/festivities, etc... but not actively hunting in rifle, as they've already downed their "Toad".

[dougl]

We have one armed strippers and no hunters.You have too many hunters and moonshiners.Ain't diversity great?

[fleroo]

.You have too many hunters and moonshiners

We are "tickled" to have so many moonshiners. Get it ? Get it ? "TICKLE" ?

Guess you have to watch the show.

[dougl]

I get it.It's my favorite show next to the one about the Ginseng pirates.

[westfieldjoe]

The disabled guy has a dog to feed. Heard one guy say he needed 10.

[fleroo]

What's a guy with 10 dogs chain up behind the trailer to do ? A dog needs to eat ya know.

We should be ecstatic that you can't buy smokes and beer with a SS food card.

[timberdoodle]

Fleapoo don't like 7 deer or 10 dogs....but I know what he likes