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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 21, 2019 15:42:04 GMT -5
According to the legislation, if you keep a dog tethered outside for more than 30 minutes in temperatures less than 32 degrees it is a violation.
It sounds like you believe that hunting dogs that are kept outside all year should be considered abused animals?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 16:13:07 GMT -5
Did I say that Gene? If not, try not to put words into what I did say. What it sounds like to me is that you think dogs should not be treated humanely. If you can interpret what I say the way you want to, I reserve the same right. Remember, many in this world believe women should have no rights and can be beaten by their husbands.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 21, 2019 16:52:46 GMT -5
Did I say that Gene? If not, try not to put words into what I did say. Actually I followed it with a question mark, if you didn't notice? You have been clear you have no problems with the legislation. I said the legislation make someone a criminal if they leave their dogs outside tethered in temperatures under 32 degrees. So my question to you is a hunter that leaves his coon dogs outside all year a criminal and is he abusing his dogs for simply leaving them outside, in your opinion? An answer to those two questions settles the discussion so there is no vagueness in what you believe. If the answer is no to those two questions, then you actually do not agree with this legislation then.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 17:21:56 GMT -5
Trying to push me into a corner, Gene? Sorry, but it won't work. I have been more than clear what I believe without giving a legal opinion on a hypothetical situation. It is up to law enforcement and the courts to determine such a case as to whether it is criminal or not, and not to either you or me. If the law says that it is abuse, it is legally abuse. Now, as to opinions, is it yours that keeping a dog tethered most of his life to a box in weather such as we have now with wind chills below zero is humane treatment? If so, we disagree.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 21, 2019 18:57:23 GMT -5
For the record, there are no "hypotheticals" in the legislation. Tethering a dog outside for greater than 30 minutes in temperatures under 32 degrees is a punishable offense. I understand why you don't want to answer the direct questions about specific parts of the legislation, though.
This legislation has HSUS all over it and Alloway was the willing vector for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 5:32:58 GMT -5
Also for the record, you did ask a direct question in which you stated a hypothetical situation that you tried to back me into a corner with. I also understand why you did not want to answer my direct question about a dog tethered to his box in such weather as we have now. The answer would be quite uncomfortable. Let me ask one more. Since the temperature of 32 degrees seems to be such a sticking point to you, at what temperature would you agree that tethering a dog outside would not be humane? I know you don't like the legislation. It is now the law, and I am aware of situations that made it necessary. It is basically good legislation. I will ask this. If you do not want to treat a dog humanely, why would you own one? Now, since it obviously means so much to you, if you refrain from attacking me or my positions you may have the last post on the subject and explain why you personally disagree with the law.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 22, 2019 7:52:01 GMT -5
I also understand why you did not want to answer my direct question about a dog tethered to his box in such weather as we have now. The answer would be quite uncomfortable. I have no problems answering questions so here is my answer. I have no issues with dogs that can handle outside temperatures like we have now being kept outside by their owners as long as they have a place to escape the weather, along with food and water that is not constantly frozen. Many rabbit and hound hunters keep their dogs outside all year long. There should be no minimum or maximum. If an animal is truly abused, there are laws in place that already address that. In Alaska, sledders keep their dogs outside all winter and the dogs do quite well as that is what they are breed for. There is true abuse, but that is not what we are talking about here. Certain breeds are fine outside all year long with proper care. I don not consider beaglers and hound hunters abusive dog owners for simply keeping their hunting digs outside. This legislation makes it abuse to keep any dog tethered outside for longer than 30 minutes if the temperatures are below 32 degrees. It is pure hogwash and a bill straight from HSUS. So, since I have answered all of your questions, do you mind answering mine? I will again ask if beaglers or hound hunters keep their dogs outside all year long, do you feel they abusing their animals, as the law states? It is a very simple question..................
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 22, 2019 7:55:05 GMT -5
I do not consider my hunting brothers and sisters animal abusers for simply keeping their hunting dogs outside. If their dogs have shelter, food and water, and regularly cared for, they are not criminals.
This legislation makes criminals out of good people and good dog owners.
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Post by Dutch on Jan 22, 2019 8:07:22 GMT -5
Maybe I'm wrong, but this legislation addresses the issue of a dog that has no shelter, right?
So, a hunter that has boxes for the dogs to get out of the weather is ok?
maybe I'm reading it wrong.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 22, 2019 8:16:31 GMT -5
I don't read it as a shelter exempting owners from continuous tethering or keeping animals outside for longer than 30 minutes. It does say "additionally" in regards to the shelter.
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Post by Dutch on Jan 22, 2019 8:38:25 GMT -5
The way I read it, the shelter is required as part of the legislation. Staking a dog out, without shelter, is going to bring prosecution
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 8:47:01 GMT -5
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Post by dennyf on Jan 22, 2019 9:19:21 GMT -5
Your best move, mutt. Little to be gained by repeatedly kicking a tarbaby. Uncle Remus taught me that over 65 years ago.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 22, 2019 9:22:02 GMT -5
The way I read it, the shelter is required as part of the legislation. I read it that way too.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 22, 2019 10:39:54 GMT -5
Little to be gained by repeatedly kicking a tarbaby. Tarbaby. That's funny coming from a croaker.
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Post by Dutch on Jan 22, 2019 13:51:00 GMT -5
Isn't a croaker some sort of ugly fish?
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 22, 2019 14:32:39 GMT -5
Isn't a croaker some sort of ugly fish? That's one definition. There are several.
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Post by davet on Jan 22, 2019 15:14:31 GMT -5
Dogs & tethering.... when I was a teenager & hunted with my Pap, he had a beagle that was an excellent rabbit dog. He kept that dog outside 365 days a year no matter the weather. A solid insulated dog box, fed & water daily. Dog lived 13 years with no health issues.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 15:39:41 GMT -5
Isn't a croaker some sort of ugly fish? That's one definition. There are several. Synonyms from Mirriam Webster: www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/croakerbear, bellyacher, complainer, crab, crank, crosspatch, curmudgeon, fusser, griper, grouch, grouser, growler, grumbler, grump, murmurer, mutterer, sourpuss, whiner
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Post by davet on Jan 22, 2019 15:59:49 GMT -5
Isn’t a grouser a good bird dog.... and a growler a container of beer?
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Post by Dutch on Jan 22, 2019 16:11:35 GMT -5
Isn’t a grouser a good bird dog.... and a growler a container of beer? Both are very good things!
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Post by dougell on Feb 8, 2019 13:44:57 GMT -5
Your best move, mutt. Little to be gained by repeatedly kicking a tarbaby. Uncle Remus taught me that over 65 years ago. I'm printing this out in case you ever run for public office.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 14:14:53 GMT -5
If I were Gene, I might be offended about being called a tar baby. Oh, and do whatever you want to me, but please don't throw me in that briar patch.
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Post by dennyf on Feb 8, 2019 14:51:53 GMT -5
Good idea, Doug. I've never actually sought any kind of office or other role, to date. But I ain't much of a shirker, either.
Pretty much everything I've gotten into these days, landed on my head. Kinda like walking along minding your own damn bidness and a bunch of pigeons fly over?
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