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Post by ridgecommander on Sept 18, 2018 10:03:04 GMT -5
And all that is popular in theory. But the truth is with bullets of similar construction in both the 357 will outpenetrate the 44 and all you need to do is put a hole through the brain. Which I realize is easier said than done but should certainly be easier with the milder kicking 357. What you have to realize is most hunters don't understand the dynamics in play behind what makes bullets work and the same is true of Game Wardens and Park Rangers. And every one is easily impressed by cubic inches and horsepower when its commonly not so cut and dry. Correct. I got heavily criticized a few years ago on another board while discussing minimum calibers for elk for suggesting that I would rather shoot an elk with a 243 with the right bullet than with a 300 Winnie with the wrong bullet. Many folks just don't understand how important bullet selection is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 10:39:52 GMT -5
Very few have the collection of bullets recovered from game animals that I have. When it comes to big, tough, game animals, bullet selection is extremely important. For smaller, deer-sized animals, not quite so important, but still a factor. I would not waste my money on a high-end premium bullet for deer when a Sierra Game King will do the job. By the same token, it amuses me when a guy shells out more than six grand for an elk hunt and takes along the cheapest ammo he can find to save money. A tougher bullet holds together and forms a nice mushroom. A more weakly constructed bullet falls apart. Here are two to consider. The one on the left is a Nosler Partition 180 grain taken from a New Zealand Tahr. The one on the right came from a whitetail taken in Mississippi. It was a Speer grand slam, not a hot core bullet.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 10:41:29 GMT -5
This bullet was a Hornady Interbond 139 grain, recovered from a Dall sheep.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 10:42:59 GMT -5
Three 117 grain Sierra Game King boat tails recovered from South Carolina deer.
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Post by dougell on Sept 18, 2018 11:18:52 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of rapidly expanding bullets unless I'm shooting varmints.I've never bought into the theory of dumping all of the energy into an animal.I want two holes and I want it every time and at every angle.For the past several years,I've used nothing except Nosler accubonds and Barnes ttsx.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 11:27:33 GMT -5
A few more. The one on the far left came from a Cape buffalo, .416 Rem. Mag. Now that's a thumper!
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Post by davet on Sept 18, 2018 12:17:03 GMT -5
Not yet loaded 38-55 and 32-40 bulletsProbably the only kind of bear the 38-55 or 32-40 would kill
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 13:59:16 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of rapidly expanding bullets unless I'm shooting varmints.I've never bought into the theory of dumping all of the energy into an animal.I want two holes and I want it every time and at every angle.For the past several years,I've used nothing except Nosler accubonds and Barnes ttsx. I'm from the opposing camp. I want a bullet to reach the vitals and also do serious internal damage. I don't care about exit wounds because if I'm following blood trails then I need a more lightly constructed bullet. The goal is that they are down within 30 yards.
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Post by dougell on Sept 18, 2018 17:25:35 GMT -5
I disagree.I've seen more deer lost and had to chase more that were shot with bullets that over-expanded.I've never lost a deer or had to chase a deer that was shot with a bonded bullet or a barnes ttsx.A few years ago I bought my son a Kimber Montana in .223 just so he could burn through hundreds of rounds a year practicing.I put the same scope that his Montana in .308 had and adjusted the trigger to 2.25lbs just like his .308.He wanted to take it out for deer so I loaded in with 55gr ttsx and let him take it out one day when we had snow.He killed three deer with that load since then and I killed one.None of them took a step.If you put a .308 caliber hole through the lungs,heart or liver of a deer with a controlled expansion bullet,that organ will no longer function,period.Blowing them up doesn't kill them any faster.I only ever had one deer run that was shot with a triple shock or accubond.That one I can't explain to this day.She was shot dead center in the middle of the lungs and had a fist sized exit wound.She ran uphill for a little ways and then went about 100 yards down into a steep ravine.I gut shot a doe one time with a 300 wsm and 180gr accubond.Bang-flop.I had to shoot her in the head but she never moved an inch.Last year my son shot a doe at a lazered 186 yards,168 yards and 225 yards with 130 gr ttsx.Two dropped in their tracks and one made it about 10 feet.He shot a couple more at about 50-60 yards.One dropped and one made it about 30-40 yards.That one bled so much that it was almost hard to see what direction she went.I've killed a pile of deer with 165 gr interlocks out of a .308 and 30-06.I never lost one but the terminal performance was always inconsistant.Nope,I'll take a bonded bullet or ttsx any day.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 4:52:35 GMT -5
I like Accubonds. No interest in Triple Shocks though. At long range the monometals have too much trouble expanding. If your hunting consists of sub 100 yard woods shots then no doubt you'll do fine with mono's. At 300 yards its a different ball of wax though.
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Post by ridgecommander on Sept 19, 2018 7:00:03 GMT -5
For deer, I want a bullet that expends almost all of its energy in the animal and the rest is used to exit. Two holes is better than one, especially if most of the energy is used within the animal.
There are bonded bullets out there that are designed to expand rapidly but stay together to penetrate. These are the ideal bullet for deer, IMO.
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Post by fleroo on Sept 19, 2018 7:20:22 GMT -5
A bullet would never be hired to do work in my borough if it wasn't bonded.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 8:34:30 GMT -5
ANY of the following bullets will do the job and kill a whitetail buck of 150 lbs or so. The prices I have listed are per bullet at Midway. I picked .257 caliber bullets because that is what I use for deer, my .257 Roberts. I put an asterisk to the right for the bullets I personally have used to kill game.
Sierra Game King boat tail 117 grain $.27 * (this is my favorite) Nosler Ballistic Tip 115 grain $.33 * Hornady Interbond 110 grain $.56 * Nosler Partition 120 grain $.59 * (Federal Premiums are loaded with this one) Swift Scirocco (bonded) 100 grain $.53 * Barnes TSXX 100 grain $.67 Hornady Interlock 117 grain $.30 Speer Grand Slam 120 grain $.22 * (not terribly impressed with its performance) Swift A-Frame 120 grain $1.08 * (used, but definitely not on whitetail deer) Remington Core Lokt 100 grain $.29 * ( not bad for a factory loaded round)
The only one of the above that I will definitely not ever use again is the Speer Grand Slam. I would not pay 50 cents for a bullet to hunt PA deer, so most of the ones above are not going to be used in my .257.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 8:41:23 GMT -5
I should have added that when the game animal being pursued is grizzly bear, the weapon and the bullet choice changes drastically. My choice then would be what I did use, my .300 Weatherby Magnum with a premium bullet. I used Kodiak bonded core bullets to take mine. For black bears, the choice is much easier, but I still use a better bullet because bears are a bit tougher than deer.
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Post by davet on Sept 19, 2018 17:06:29 GMT -5
44 Magnum, Smith & Wesson revolver. 200gr. Hornady XTP over 24gr. VV N-110. Bang flop. Well.....a few bang....run 20 yards....flop. No second shot required.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 17:45:58 GMT -5
I really like Core-Lokts and Power-Points for deer. Federal blue box is great too. This year I'm trying Winchester Deer Season XP in the 95 grain load.
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Post by fleroo on Sept 20, 2018 6:46:30 GMT -5
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Post by fleroo on Sept 20, 2018 6:59:28 GMT -5
Hmmmm. It just worked for me again ? I'm using IE ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 8:46:50 GMT -5
What I get from your link is a page that says "Sorry, the page you are looking for can't be found."
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