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Post by fleroo on Sept 17, 2018 7:29:53 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 7:37:12 GMT -5
Of course, never having been in such a situation, people come out of the woodwork to express opinions as to what the client or outfitter should have done. Anyone who thinks grizzly bears are just lovable and fluffy has not seen what they can do. Not having been in either guy's shoes at the time, I ain't gonna criticize, but I agree with fleroo. I will not be in Grizzly country without what Ruark would have called "enough gun."
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Post by davet on Sept 17, 2018 7:39:36 GMT -5
Any revolver that begins with a "4" would be my personal choice. And not the 45acp.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 7:46:48 GMT -5
I took my grizzly with a .300 Weatherby Magnum. Don't want anything less than that.  |
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Post by fleroo on Sept 17, 2018 8:12:09 GMT -5
Ok, I haven't read the below link, but apparently this is an interview from the client of the guide that was killed. What I want to know is, how the authorities let the client fly back to his home state of Florida, UNTIL a thorough investigation of the scene was performed? I believe he flew back the very next day after it happened ? I'm not a legal-beagle, so maybe they had no grounds to keep the guy until an thorough investigation was completed ? Seems weird. www.clickorlando.com/news/new-smyrna-beach-man-survives-bear-grabbing-him-by-ankles-attacking-him |
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Post by GlennD on Sept 17, 2018 8:29:28 GMT -5
What surprised me is the Guide went back the next day to retrieve the animal without a firearm. He should have been very cautious and armed with adequate firepower to approach a carcass that had been left overnight in Grizzly bear country. Very foolish and a complete lack of consideration and forethought for potential scenarios.
The report states the client threw a pistol to the guide which is puzzling also.. The Client said the bear pulled him off the horse and knocked the pistol out of his hand. And then he says he threw the pistol to the guide. ?? We all know sudden panic can cause strange reaction, but why would the client throw a pistol to the guide and run?
Very sorry for the loss and the family, but sometimes being a fool is deadly and this report leaves a lot of unanswered questions.
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Post by fleroo on Sept 17, 2018 9:28:38 GMT -5
Because he was from Florida, and more than likely never seen a bear in his life, let alone a grizzly in action.
I think you hit it on the head earlier Glenn. The guide should have been more prepared going after that Elk. I'm no Elk guide, but I know I would have been loaded for... well bear, in that country. I also would think any guide, should be well-versed in how to go about protecting both themselves, and their clients in that type of country. Tragedy for sure. Maybe performing guide related tasks day after day with no issues, lead to just a bit of complacency ?
I know one thing for sure. If I wanted to guide, there is no way I would do it in an area that prohibited me from carrying a firearm in ANY season.
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Post by ridgecommander on Sept 17, 2018 9:54:36 GMT -5
The report states the client threw a pistol to the guide which is puzzling also.. The Client said the bear pulled him off the horse and knocked the pistol out of his hand. And then he says he threw the pistol to the guide. ?? We all know sudden panic can cause strange reaction, but why would the client throw a pistol to the guide and run? I am sure it was complete chaos. You don't think. You react. Maybe the guide said throw me your pistol and run? A guide will always put his life before his clients. At least the good ones will. |
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Post by davet on Sept 17, 2018 10:11:17 GMT -5
A guide will always put his life before his clients. At least the good ones will. Reason #584 why I never considered being a guide. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 12:30:50 GMT -5
Attacks aren't stopped by head stamps or powder charges as much as they're stopped by good bullets that penetrate. Whether that's a pistol, rifle, or shotgun the bullet performance is key. I'd feel safe in Grizzly country with most calibers as long as the bullet is right.
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Post by dougell on Sept 17, 2018 12:34:11 GMT -5
I've never been attacked by a bear so I can't say.However,I imagine a good solid hit with any weapon could possibly make the bear think that he picked the wrong fight.
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Post by Dutch on Sept 17, 2018 13:19:30 GMT -5
My brother went on a hound hunt for cougar years ago. He had a 44 mag recover. Guide had a backup gun, just in case.
Lion died 10 ft from my brother, after the 44 took effect.
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Post by dougell on Sept 17, 2018 14:08:01 GMT -5
My brother went on a hound hunt for cougar years ago. He had a 44 mag recover. Guide had a backup gun, just in case. Lion died 10 ft from my brother, after the 44 took effect. How far was the lion when he shot it? |
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Post by fleroo on Sept 17, 2018 14:27:52 GMT -5
My brother went on a hound hunt for cougar years ago. He had a 44 mag recover. Guide had a backup gun, just in case. Lion died 10 ft from my brother, after the 44 took effect. If I had the backup gun, and was standing at your brothers side, that lion would have died many more feet away than 10 ft from your brother. Of course, that would be contingent upon me having my wits about me, and shooting a hell of a note better than I do now.  |
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Post by fleroo on Sept 17, 2018 14:28:28 GMT -5
My brother went on a hound hunt for cougar years ago. He had a 44 mag recover. Guide had a backup gun, just in case. Lion died 10 ft from my brother, after the 44 took effect. How far was the lion when he shot it? 10.5 feet.  |
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Post by Dutch on Sept 17, 2018 14:41:20 GMT -5
It was charging them. He didn't get out a tape measure. 😂
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Post by dougell on Sept 17, 2018 15:44:37 GMT -5
Dutch,don't take this the wrong way but you suck at telling a story.Did it jump out of a tree when he first shot it?Was it crouched,waiting to pounce?How many times did he shoot it.Come on Man,let's hear some more details.When a lion dies 10 feet from you,there has to be a story worth hearing.
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Post by davet on Sept 17, 2018 15:47:42 GMT -5
About 8 years ago I knew two guys who were taking a fishing trip to Alaska. They knew they would be in bear country. So, the one fellow called the AK game people and ask the Ranger if a sidearm chambered in 357-magnum would be sufficient in the unlikely event of a bear attack.
The Ranger responded to the effect: "What do you want to do?....Piss 'em off?"
They both acquired 44 magnum revolvers before the trip.
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Post by dougell on Sept 17, 2018 15:56:37 GMT -5
You just need to talk to them with a stern voice.
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Post by Dutch on Sept 17, 2018 16:15:18 GMT -5
Dutch,don't take this the wrong way but you suck at telling a story.Did it jump out of a tree when he first shot it?Was it crouched,waiting to pounce?How many times did he shoot it.Come on Man,let's hear some more details.When a lion dies 10 feet from you,there has to be a story worth hearing. They had it cornered against some rocks and it decided to get the hell outta there, and they were in his way. Jase didn't miss. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 16:31:46 GMT -5
About 8 years ago I knew two guys who were taking a fishing trip to Alaska. They knew they would be in bear country. So, the one fellow called the AK game people and ask the Ranger if a sidearm chambered in 357-magnum would be sufficient in the unlikely event of a bear attack. The Ranger responded to the effect: "What do you want to do?....Piss 'em off?" They both acquired 44 magnum revolvers before the trip. And all that is popular in theory. But the truth is with bullets of similar construction in both the 357 will outpenetrate the 44 and all you need to do is put a hole through the brain. Which I realize is easier said than done but should certainly be easier with the milder kicking 357. What you have to realize is most hunters don't understand the dynamics in play behind what makes bullets work and the same is true of Game Wardens and Park Rangers. And every one is easily impressed by cubic inches and horsepower when its commonly not so cut and dry. |
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Post by dougell on Sept 17, 2018 16:47:45 GMT -5
A few years ago I read about some hunters who killed a charging grizzly with a 40 s&w.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 17:20:01 GMT -5
Two years ago Phil Shoemaker the famous Brown Bear guide killed a Brown Bear that charged while he was fishing with a 9mm pistol and Buffalo Bore ammo.
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Post by davet on Sept 17, 2018 18:26:10 GMT -5
No matter what you use.....you gotta hit 'em where it counts.
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Post by 3212 on Sept 18, 2018 8:48:48 GMT -5
If one bear did all the attacking while the other one watched its probably a mother/cub situation.
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