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Post by Goosehunter on Apr 10, 2018 7:46:04 GMT -5
Over the years it has been enjoyable to keep up with the many new advancements in ammo and of course the fancy choke tubes available. Apex Ammo is currently out of stock on most of their TSS shells but take a look at the patterns you can get with this stuff. TSS is 18 g/cc which allows for the use of a much smaller shot size, in this case a #9 TSS pellet is the same as shooting a #5 lead shot pellet. But you get 803 pellets in a 2&1/4 oz load of TSS #9 shot. Wow! Not to long ago, 100 pellets inside the 10 inch circle at 40 yards was considered to be an acceptable turkey load. TSS has raised the bar.   |
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Post by good ole boy on Apr 10, 2018 9:02:44 GMT -5
That is phenomenal for sure.
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Post by davet on Apr 10, 2018 9:25:26 GMT -5
Wow. Nice stuff!! For turkey I use Hevishot. I've killed a nice gobbler (cleanly) at 50 yards.....which I considered the maximum for that ammo. There was the gobbler, a hen, and a jake in the trio when I took the gobbler. I'm pretty sure the jake was a "happy boy" after that!!
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Post by dougell on Apr 10, 2018 10:28:50 GMT -5
We've been using fed heavyweight #7 for several years in 20ga.We've killed a few stone dead at a touch over 50yards which is much further than I care to shoot them.Those TSS patterns are very impressive but I never felt the need to use it when the heavyweight worked as well as it did.Unfortunately,Fed stopped making it this year so I'll have to start loading the TSS when our supply runs out.
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Post by turkeykiller on Apr 10, 2018 13:30:57 GMT -5
the introduction over the years of special turkey chokes and shells has definetly increased range and pattern density. What one has to also consider is, at close range, your pattern is more like a bullet than shot. That means misses at close range is something to consider.
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Post by fleroo on Apr 10, 2018 14:40:18 GMT -5
That's a valid point. The fact that a miss may be a "clean miss" because of the dense pattern, may also have validity. Thus, less birds that succumb later due to receiving a portion of the BB's from a wide open pattern.
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Post by Goosehunter on Apr 10, 2018 14:48:27 GMT -5
Most hunters that shoot TSS realize the pattern is tight at 20 yards and have adjusted to that issue by using a red dot scope. The pattern at 20 yards is about the size of a basketball.
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Post by turkeykiller on Apr 10, 2018 14:51:10 GMT -5
That's a valid point. The fact that a miss may be a "clean miss" because of the dense pattern, may also have validity. Thus, less birds that succumb later due to receiving a portion of the BB's from a wide open pattern. wow, thats different |
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Post by turkeykiller on Apr 10, 2018 14:52:22 GMT -5
Most hunters that shoot TSS realize the pattern is tight at 20 yards and have adjusted to that issue by using a red dot scope. The pattern at 20 yards is about the size of a basketball. if a bird sneeks in behind ya at 10 yds, it aint no basketball |
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Post by fleroo on Apr 10, 2018 14:53:00 GMT -5
That's a valid point. The fact that a miss may be a "clean miss" because of the dense pattern, may also have validity. Thus, less birds that succumb later due to receiving a portion of the BB's from a wide open pattern. wow, thats different Not sure what you mean ? If an entire dense pattern misses a bird completely, it has to be better than say, 6 BB's from a wide open pattern catching the bird, yet it isn't retrieved, and dies later ? What are you missing ? |
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Post by turkeykiller on Apr 10, 2018 15:45:36 GMT -5
Not sure what you mean ? If an entire dense pattern misses a bird completely, it has to be better than say, 6 BB's from a wide open pattern catching the bird, yet it isn't retrieved, and dies later ? What are you missing ? Nothin, I have a good pattern |
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Post by Dutch on Apr 10, 2018 15:47:39 GMT -5
You are going to use 9 shot for turkeys?
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Post by Loggy on Apr 10, 2018 15:51:34 GMT -5
The new Federal TSS load is just a slight change in the original Heavyweights tungsten alloy composition and wad change. I have spent a lot of time/money patterning my 12ga 3.5" Browning Gold with Special Heavyweight Trulock Choke shooting #7 3.5" Federal Heavyweights. They are still available. I recently bought A CASE, (10 BOXES) FOR ONLY $199.99 with free shipping. With whut I already have... I have enuff to cover me for many years. For a good selection/great prices on the Federal Heavyweights: Rogers Sporting Goods |
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Post by rem700 on Apr 10, 2018 17:19:57 GMT -5
Just need one lucky BB out of the 870  |
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Post by Goosehunter on Apr 10, 2018 18:56:40 GMT -5
Most hunters that shoot TSS realize the pattern is tight at 20 yards and have adjusted to that issue by using a red dot scope. The pattern at 20 yards is about the size of a basketball. if a bird sneeks in behind ya at 10 yds, it aint no basketball At 10 yards it's probably more like a softball.  |
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Post by Goosehunter on Apr 10, 2018 19:02:00 GMT -5
The new Federal TSS load is just a slight change in the original Heavyweights tungsten alloy composition and wad change. I have spent a lot of time/money patterning my 12ga 3.5" Browning Gold with Special Heavyweight Trulock Choke shooting #7 3.5" Federal Heavyweights. They are still available. I recently bought A CASE, (10 BOXES) FOR ONLY $199.99 with free shipping. With whut I already have... I have enuff to cover me for many years. For a good selection/great prices on the Federal Heavyweights: Rogers Sporting Goods That Federal Heavyweight at 15 g/cc is also a powerful good load. You have any pattern pics? Here's the pellet count per oz. 15g/cc Shot (Federal Heavyweight, Tungsten Spheres) 15g/cc #2: 65/oz 15g/cc #4: 100/oz 15g/cc #5: 127/oz 15g/cc #6: 165/oz 15g/cc #7: 219/oz 15g/cc #8: 301/oz |
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Post by Goosehunter on Apr 10, 2018 19:18:29 GMT -5
You are going to use 9 shot for turkeys? Yeah, the math shows it works like #5 lead shot but you get way more pellets per oz with #9 shot. Plus, because TSS is so dense, #9 shot will penetrate 1.5 inches of gel (the accepted minimum gel penetration needed to kill a turkey) out to 72 yards. All these non-toxic, heavier than lead, shells have changed the face of turkey hunting. |
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Post by Loggy on Apr 10, 2018 19:33:28 GMT -5
The new Federal TSS load is just a slight change in the original Heavyweights tungsten alloy composition and wad change. I have spent a lot of time/money patterning my 12ga 3.5" Browning Gold with Special Heavyweight Trulock Choke shooting #7 3.5" Federal Heavyweights. They are still available. I recently bought A CASE, (10 BOXES) FOR ONLY $199.99 with free shipping. With whut I already have... I have enuff to cover me for many years. For a good selection/great prices on the Federal Heavyweights: Rogers Sporting GoodsThat Federal Heavyweight at 15 g/cc is also a powerful good load. You have any pattern pics? Here's the pellet count per oz. 15g/cc Shot (Federal Heavyweight, Tungsten Spheres) 15g/cc #2: 65/oz 15g/cc #4: 100/oz 15g/cc #5: 127/oz 15g/cc #6: 165/oz 15g/cc #7: 219/oz 15g/cc #8: 301/oz Could only find 2 pics of patterning #6 & #7 when I shot my scope in:   |
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Post by Goosehunter on Apr 10, 2018 20:51:16 GMT -5
Very Dead Turkey!
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Post by Loggy on Apr 11, 2018 5:38:08 GMT -5
Yes least paperwise Goosehunter! I have not patterned beyond 40yds as rarely I shoot beyond that but feel confident that those heavyweight pellets would sustain enough killing energy/pattern density out to 50. |
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Post by good ole boy on Apr 11, 2018 8:03:15 GMT -5
These ranges and counts are impressive.But for the way I hunt,the factory full choke with standard high brass Turkey loads are more than adequate.
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Post by Loggy on Apr 12, 2018 19:05:04 GMT -5
Curious Goosehunter whut gun & choke were you using for those patterns??
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Post by Goosehunter on Apr 12, 2018 21:11:55 GMT -5
Super Vinci, the .660 choke was from Sumtoy, while the .695 is a waterfowl choke from Apex Ammo.
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Post by Loggy on Apr 13, 2018 6:13:10 GMT -5
You definitely have a finely tuned combination there Goosehunter!! I had my 26" bbl Browning Gold 3.5" 12ga drilled & tapped for a scope several years ago. I mounted a Bushnell Trophy XLT Scope 1.75-4x32mm w/Circle-X Reticle. Gunsmith used a Weaver #62 base which has a rock solid 5 screw mount to supplement my Warne solid steel low rings which handles the heavy 12 ga 3.5" magnums recoil. Love my set-up!! I have a Trulock Precision .665 choke specifically designed for the #7 Heavyweights. The 6's patterned very good too. Sure fun toying around with this stuff!!  |
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Post by dougell on Apr 13, 2018 7:20:44 GMT -5
Yes least paperwise Goosehunter! I have not patterned beyond 40yds as rarely I shoot beyond that but feel confident that those heavyweight pellets would sustain enough killing energy/pattern density out to 50. Two years ago,I had my son out before school one morning.I was sitting right next to him when 8 jakes and two longbeards came in.He was using 3# fed #7 heavyweight with a trulock choke designed for the #7 heavyshot.He shot the biggest one at 35 yards and the rest of the jakes jumped on the flopping bird and started flogging him.He watched for a little bit and turned around and handed me his shotgun so we could shoot a double.The second mature bird was still there but out there a little ways.I put the bead on his neck and he crumbled.When I walked down to get him and looked back to where we were sitting,I thought,Man that was a poke.I later ranged it at 56 yards.I normally wouldn't take a shot that far but I just got caught up in the moment,My son has killed a few over 45 yards because gets antsy and can't judge distance real good.That heavyweight is the real deal. |
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