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Post by redarrow on Oct 8, 2017 14:52:42 GMT -5
You are probably right. As the line between the effectiveness of the weapons is blurred to the point of little difference, rifle hunters will either take part in the six week season earlier in the year or be satisfied with the bucks that are left for them after the season.
Oh and facts, ridge? LMAO2 horse2
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Post by ridgecommander on Oct 8, 2017 15:08:05 GMT -5
You are probably right. As the line between the effectiveness of the weapons is blurred to the point of little difference, rifle hunters will either take part in the six week season earlier in the year or be satisfied with the bucks that are left for them after the season. Again using facts, effectiveness of weapons being blurred to the the point of little difference is an perception not based in reality. The fact is weapons are grouped together for various reasons. The main one being effectiveness. Game agencies are rather smart folks that have placed like weapons next to like weapons. Hunting and game populations seems to have survived. In the case of archery, compounds are crossbows are closer to each other than either are to traditional gear in terms of design and success rates. If you want to continue to wage war based on perception, stereotypes, and assumptions, have at it. You will be refuted by facts and long established statistics that were all presented to the commissioners during our crossbow debates by those that want to work together with each other instead of working to split everyone into groups as you do. All you have is personal resentment. That only gets you so far.....
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Post by redarrow on Oct 8, 2017 19:36:55 GMT -5
War? Facts? Resentment? You crack me up with the drama. Crossbows are fine for those who need them, folks who cannot draw a bow because of injury, kids, and those with little confidence in their archery skills with tradition equipment. Isn't that why they are now included, to allow "increased opportunity"? If we make the season longer for archery hunters now, could we possibly eliminate the need for a rifle season.
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Post by ridgecommander on Oct 9, 2017 6:43:44 GMT -5
Crossbows are fine for those who need them, folks who cannot draw a bow because of injury, kids, and those with little confidence in their archery skills with tradition equipment. Isn't that why they are now included, to allow "increased opportunity"? You mean like compound bow inclusion? Or rifle season could be lengthened and/or season dates changed to eliminate the need for archery....Personally, as we continue to lose rifle hunters, I would rather the rifle folks get a few extra days before more is added to archery.
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Post by fleroo on Oct 9, 2017 8:19:05 GMT -5
I'm a proponent of shortening the archery season for BUCK, from 6 weeks down to 4. You have to account for hack-asses and bad hits also, as far as removing Buck from the herd in archery. One hack-ass acquaintance of mine actually made light of his wounding 5 different Buck and not recovering, though this was in the mid-80's.
Archers clammered for, and got the 2 week rut in Nov. So, remove Buck from say, the first 2-3 weeks of the start of the 6 week season. After all, Alt touted removing Doe earlier, for that whole "herd balance" thingy. So I say, antlerless only the first part of archery to accomplish that. And no, don't tell me guys are in the stands looking to whack Doe only when archery starts anyhow. LOL.
I don't have disdain for archers. But I do think they are, and have been, getting catered to, to a great extent over some of the other hunters that choose other weaponry. My 2 pennies.
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Post by ridgecommander on Oct 9, 2017 10:02:46 GMT -5
I don't have disdain for archers. But I do think they are, and have been, getting catered to, to a great extent over some of the other hunters that choose other weaponry. My 2 pennies. I agree. If there is further talk of any expansion than can happen for deer, rifle or muzzleloader should receive the added opportunity.
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Post by redarrow on Oct 10, 2017 14:42:14 GMT -5
Complain of some being catered to and favoring adding a more effective weapon to their season? That makes no sense.
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Post by bushmaster on Oct 10, 2017 16:37:31 GMT -5
Archery season should run from Sept 1st to Jan 31st. Muzzleloaders can hunt rifle season. And leave flintlock season alone. JMHO
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Post by buzz on Oct 10, 2017 17:08:58 GMT -5
There is no doubt that our hunting has changed to a crowd that prefers to hang off the side of a tree and wait for a deer to walk by. They also enjoy bitching every day a deer does not walk by the spot they chose. Bow hunters are the main group who likes to hang off trees all day, and there is absoluttly no doubt that group has been catered to more than any other. A simple look at added season time, and weapons proves that.
I ain't bitching bout bow hunting, cuz if I chose to do so, I could participate.
Just trying to say, quit trying to blow smoke up our but each time they add a weapon, like the cross bow.........which current ones claim accuracy and killing power at 100 yards.......
But hey, it's still just bow and arrow season...........
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Post by ridgecommander on Oct 10, 2017 17:23:14 GMT -5
Complain of some being catered to and favoring adding a more effective weapon to their season? That makes no sense Which is why I said if there is talk of any additional deer hunting opportunities, I would like to see some groups other than archery hunters get the opportunity. It would make sense if you read what I said.
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Post by redarrow on Oct 10, 2017 18:47:16 GMT -5
You said you agree that bowhunters have been catered to too much(that's what you said) when you seem proud to be one of the major movers and shakers that fought for much of the catering you agree is too much.
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Post by Dutch on Oct 10, 2017 20:12:51 GMT -5
Massachusetts is now considering Sunday hunting, for bowhunters.
One Democrat's comments was that they walk on Saturdays and have no issues with bowhunters.
Imagine that
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Post by redarrow on Oct 10, 2017 20:22:23 GMT -5
Darn democrats!..................Hey, thought they hated us hunters.
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Post by buzz on Oct 10, 2017 20:24:27 GMT -5
Massachusetts is now considering Sunday hunting, for bowhunters. One Democrat's comments was that they walk on Saturdays and have no issues with bowhunters. Imagine that That's only coz cross bows are illegal in Mass, unless you have a perm disability...........
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Post by redarrow on Oct 10, 2017 20:27:20 GMT -5
I'd make that trade
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Post by cspot on Oct 10, 2017 20:32:04 GMT -5
There is no doubt that our hunting has changed to a crowd that prefers to hang off the side of a tree and wait for a deer to walk by. They also enjoy bitching every day a deer does not walk by the spot they chose. Bow hunters are the main group who likes to hang off trees all day, and there is absoluttly no doubt that group has been catered to more than any other. A simple look at added season time, and weapons proves that. I ain't bitching bout bow hunting, cuz if I chose to do so, I could participate. Just trying to say, quit trying to blow smoke up our but each time they add a weapon, like the cross bow.........which current ones claim accuracy and killing power at 100 yards....... But hey, it's still just bow and arrow season........... . Most rifle hunters hang off a tree or sit on a stump all day. The days of beating the brush are fading away.
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Post by 3212 on Oct 10, 2017 20:41:40 GMT -5
Any of you remember that show "Chasing Tail".Calm down Fleroo,it was about removing deer from the suburbs with archery in New England.One buck collapsed on a pool cover on a non-hunting property.The gang was pretty efficient.
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Post by 3212 on Oct 10, 2017 22:33:13 GMT -5
I'm an old stick in the mud.I still hunt the way I did in 1964.Carry a rifle and sit on the ground.
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Post by Dutch on Oct 11, 2017 4:48:47 GMT -5
I'm an old stick in the mud.I still hunt the way I did in 1964.Carry a rifle and sit on the ground. Plaid Woolrich as well?
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Post by Dutch on Oct 11, 2017 4:49:51 GMT -5
Massachusetts is now considering Sunday hunting, for bowhunters. One Democrat's comments was that they walk on Saturdays and have no issues with bowhunters. Imagine that That's only coz cross bows are illegal in Mass, unless you have a perm disability........... I think what I read was that crossbows were also on the table.
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Post by redarrow on Oct 11, 2017 5:22:37 GMT -5
Yes they are. The bill is sponsored by a democrat---another of their typical feel-good moves, no doubt. I wonder if she'd favor giving every hunter hunter a set of antlers to show off at the end of the season, whether they get a buck or not? Nobody should be allowed to feel left out ya know.
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Post by dougell on Oct 11, 2017 7:19:14 GMT -5
I think quite a few hunters would use a Harry Potter invisible cloak and just stab deer in the neck if legal.
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Post by 3212 on Oct 11, 2017 9:08:48 GMT -5
I'm an old stick in the mud.I still hunt the way I did in 1964.Carry a rifle and sit on the ground. Plaid Woolrich as well? I was the first hunter in that area to wear blaze orange before it was mandatory.I had a blaze orange snowmobile suit that I wore on a cold opening day.In the restaurant that evening a guy said it looked like a fire on the hill.
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Post by westfieldjoe on Oct 11, 2017 9:12:40 GMT -5
With about 17 questions on the 2014 survey directed toward archery hunters it would be hard to say were not planning to cater to archery even more! At least make sure to keep them happy. In comparison only 2 questions directed toward deer hunters partaking in the muzzle loader season. Very sad indeed. Those were incorporated into the rifle season questions.
Average days hunted ? answers; 1 day in the early percussion season. 2 days in flintlock. PGC better reel them in! LOL!!
Technology changing fast? I know for sure it is spoiling me! I bought a box of round balls at the store rather than pour my own.
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Post by fleroo on Oct 11, 2017 9:19:59 GMT -5
Phew ! You made me ol' heart go pitter-patter for a second there, three-thousand-two-hundred-twelve.
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