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Post by Dutch on Oct 25, 2012 18:07:28 GMT -5
Ya know, pro football is organized violence and often times, too violent, yet we allow our kids to watch it and encourage it. Then, we hand them a video game that is violent, then we say that we're not sure they can handle hunting.?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2012 18:18:20 GMT -5
A toddler can't handle hunting. A 12 year old can. Where should the line be drawn between the two?
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Post by Dutch on Oct 25, 2012 18:22:05 GMT -5
Like I said, very few in that under 7 age bracket are now participating. Betting it is no more than 2-3000 statewide.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2012 18:26:45 GMT -5
[a href="  "] [/a] The boy was ten when he shot this. It was legal for him at nine but I felt he wasn't ready. |
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Post by richg on Oct 25, 2012 18:43:19 GMT -5
I think I know the answer but can the adult hold the gun or bow while the tyke shoots at game?Some of the pics I saw had some very small kids that didn't look big enough to hold a crossbow or gun.I'm very anxious for my grandson to hunt but he's only 6 and by himself can't fire a gun or hold a bow.Can the adult assist?
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Post by Dutch on Oct 25, 2012 18:47:12 GMT -5
The kid can use one of those new fangled tripod things, like guys use to hunt groundhogs.
Gal used one for flinter season the other year.
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Post by richg on Oct 26, 2012 19:40:47 GMT -5
Yep I know what doo dad your talking about.
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Post by richg on Oct 26, 2012 19:41:24 GMT -5
but gal aint no kid? ;D
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Post by dennyf on Oct 26, 2012 22:53:49 GMT -5
Dangit Dutch, varmint hunters use BIponds. Tripods are fer cameras.  I keep my scoped deer rifles equlpped with Harris bipods too. Never know when I might hafta do a belly flop along the edge of a field to smite some critter that's hundreds of yards away. |
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Post by Dutch on Oct 27, 2012 4:49:56 GMT -5
Yes, I have plenty of now unused Harris bipods, and that would work for a kid as well, but the new fangled ones seem better suited for kids and wimmin with little strength.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2012 15:01:59 GMT -5
When an adult has to help hold a firearm or crossbow for a child because they aretoo small to do it themselves, they have no business hunting. They can learn just as much sitting beside an adult without shooting anything. Why don't we just leave it up to the parents to decide when a kid can drive a vehicle on a public highway? You could rig the vehicle to a 5 year old can reach the throttle and steering wheel and brake. In over 30 years of enforcing the game laws in this state I have met far too mny people who shouldn't even be in the field, let alone mentoring a child so small they can't even carry the sporting arm. I believe a reasonable age would be 10 years old for the mentoring program and I believe they should have to take a hunter ed class before being mentored, at least that way if the mentor was a tool, they would have had an opportunity to hear the correct things first. In fact just allow them to buy a license at 10 after a hunter ed class, allow the continued passing of one doe license until the kid reached 12. I know this position is not popular with the let them hunt at any age crowd, but It is my position and it always has been since the state decided to allow babys to hunt.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2012 16:16:49 GMT -5
The kid can use one of those new fangled tripod things, like guys use to hunt groundhogs. Gal used one for flinter season the other year. If the mentor puts the gun in a tripod, sights it on target holds it steady and has the child reach up and pull the trigger--is that teaching the kid anything? |
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Post by Dutch on Oct 27, 2012 16:20:13 GMT -5
John, I have a request in to the PGC to get numbers and age brackets of our MY hunters. You are making an agrument based on the worst case scenario. Yes, a 5 year old can hunt, but the reality is that very few do, so..........
I have little faith in Hunter Ed classes. A kid is mentored from day one by some nefarious individuals. IMO, HTE does not overcome that influence. Trust me.
Poachers and unethical hunters beget the same. One only need talk to hunters to find out how many are outlaws. Yet, they have ALL taken HTE............ like I said, I have little faith in that program. My daughter passed and I gave her very little info before we went to take the course.
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Post by galthatfishes on Oct 27, 2012 16:28:18 GMT -5
Yes, I have plenty of now unused Harris bipods, and that would work for a kid as well, but the new fangled ones seem better suited for kids and wimmin with little strength.  |
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Post by galthatfishes on Oct 27, 2012 16:35:38 GMT -5
John, I have a request in to the PGC to get numbers and age brackets of our MY hunters. You are making an agrument based on the worst case scenario. Yes, a 5 year old can hunt, but the reality is that very few do, so.......... I have little faith in Hunter Ed classes. A kid is mentored from day one by some nefarious individuals. IMO, HTE does not overcome that influence. Trust me. Poachers and unethical hunters beget the same. One only need talk to hunters to find out how many are outlaws. Yet, they have ALL taken HTE............ like I said, I have little faith in that program. My daughter passed and I gave her very little info before we went to take the course. Lest ye forgets, some of our WCOs came from that cloth. ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2012 16:39:34 GMT -5
Dutch, and yet you are comfortable with outlaws mentoring kids.
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Post by Dutch on Oct 27, 2012 16:46:57 GMT -5
John, the outlaws are mentoring them anyway!
From the time a kid is born, ideas of how to hunt and conduct yourself as a hunter are put in their heads by their fathers and relatives. FEW of them escape that.
I cannot tell you how many people hate the PGC just because their daddy did and their granddaddy did. It is ingrained in them from the start.
the same is true of these kids when those mentors teach them to hunt.
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Post by melody on Oct 27, 2012 16:55:57 GMT -5
Of course no one is "comfortable with outlaws mentoring youth" any more than we are comfortable with outlaws having firearms, but we don't support more restrictions on our 2nd Amenment Rights any more than we support more restrictions on responsible folks mentoring youth. We don't ban alcohol just because some abuse it and drive drunk either. Punishing those who abide ethically because of a few that don't.....doesn't have any effect on the bad....only those who would like to do good.
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Post by Dutch on Oct 27, 2012 17:11:26 GMT -5
Of course no one is "comfortable with outlaws mentoring youth" any more than we are comfortable with outlaws having firearms, but we don't support more restrictions on our 2nd Amenment Rights any more than we support more restrictions on responsible folks mentoring youth. We don't ban alcohol just because some abuse it and drive drunk either. Punishing those who abide ethically because of a few that don't.....doesn't have any effect on the bad....only those who would like to do good. No one can argue with what you just said. Thank you |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2012 17:57:29 GMT -5
Sorry Mel, I see no punishment in having a reasonable age for a kid to be allowed to hunt. I do see common sense, something people would rather ignor.
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Post by melody on Oct 27, 2012 19:00:05 GMT -5
But we do have "a reasonable age for kids who can hunt." It's 12. What we don't have is a "set" age for when a kid can go along and participate with an adult in their hunt. That is what we let to the common sense of the mentor/parent as to what that level of participation is at any particular age.
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Post by richg on Oct 28, 2012 19:47:11 GMT -5
I'm sorry but some of the pics of tykes I saw with a deer or squirrel just looked way too small to hold a gun or crossbow.I'm very anxious to get my grandson out but until he can shoot that weapon by himself it aint happening.
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Post by Dutch on Oct 28, 2012 19:52:57 GMT -5
I'm sorry but some of the pics of tykes I saw with a deer or squirrel just looked way too small to hold a gun or crossbow.I'm very anxious to get my grandson out but until he can shoot that weapon by himself it aint happening. I was shooting a .22 at age 5 or 6 off the porch rail at camp. Loaded it, put it on the railing and shot. Supervised by my brothers, of course. How is that so much different than an 8 year old sitting in a blind with a bipod/tripod to steady the weapon, which is in the hands of the mentor until the shot? I have asked for the license sales breakdown and should have them next week maybe. I still think the numbers of kids out there in that iffy age bracket are pretty minimal. |
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Post by galthatfishes on Oct 28, 2012 22:58:00 GMT -5
I'm sorry but some of the pics of tykes I saw with a deer or squirrel just looked way too small to hold a gun or crossbow.I'm very anxious to get my grandson out but until he can shoot that weapon by himself it aint happening. Then you would be following the law; and YOU are picking the age when he's ready. He's going to have a great experience because of it, and you'll both have memories for a lifetime. |
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Post by Dutch on Oct 29, 2012 4:50:23 GMT -5
Here is a friend's son with his second buck. The kid has also gotten 2 gobblers as well. He's hooked.  Here is his buck from last year:  |
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