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Post by galthatfishes on Oct 18, 2012 7:59:20 GMT -5
I'm sure I'll think of more points throughout the day.
Heavy rains can wash infected soils, urine, and feces outside of the fence of deer farms.
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Post by galthatfishes on Oct 18, 2012 8:00:59 GMT -5
Deer must be killed to test. There are NO reliable methods by which live cerids can be tested.
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Post by galthatfishes on Oct 18, 2012 8:05:45 GMT -5
Archery season is NOT mandatory but voluntary because not all hunters know about this yet. But the restictions on parts is immediate. All archers are asked to please comply.
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Post by dennyf on Oct 18, 2012 8:15:36 GMT -5
These are but the first steps, on what may well become a long and painful journey with CWD in PA.
If the experiences in other states hit with CWD are any indication (and they probably are) of what lies ahead, PA has a long way to go yet.
As many had cautioned, it was never a case of IF CWD would ever hit us here, but a case of when. Now it's here.
It will be devastating for those who raise/buy/sell deer, but it has the potential to be even more devastating for the deer hunting "industry" in PA. Which is why I feel PDA is not doing enough at the moment.
If this was an "epidemic" affecting our beef or other domestic livestock industry in PA, I have the feeling that PDA would be far more proactive and restrictive, than what they exhibit so far with CWD?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2012 8:46:43 GMT -5
Thanks for this information. I find it depressing, but it's good to get educated and not stick your head in the sand. Thanks for all the hard work. You all are a great resource.
1,100 deer farms moving deer around like kids trading baseball cards on the playground. Wow.
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Post by bearslayer on Oct 18, 2012 8:52:00 GMT -5
Very good info and yes thanks for posting!
One question I do have and maybe I mist it, if you consume and animal that was infected can it cause any harm to hummans?
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Post by galthatfishes on Oct 18, 2012 9:20:07 GMT -5
Very good info and yes thanks for posting! One question I do have and maybe I mist it, if you consume and animal that was infected can it cause any harm to hummans? Not YET. TSEs from cows have caused a variant form in humans called (v)CJS (Creutzfeldt Jacob Syndrome) CJS can natually occur in humans and has for years, but this type (v)CJS is from mad cow. No one knows if or when th prion in CWD will mutate to humans. |
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Post by galthatfishes on Oct 18, 2012 9:42:11 GMT -5
I had the chance to talk o the Deputy Secretary of Ag (PDA) after the meeting. Some of the questions I had were answered in the meeting, some after and some I will file a right to know request on.
I understand a fourth farm (in York Co) has been added to the list of quarantined farms. CONFIRMED
It has been almost a week since CWD was announced. How many farms have been identified in the trace backs, and where are they located? More than 100, both inside and outside of PA
How many more do you predict could be added? AND are all of the deer accounted for in Lycoming, Adams and York? How many deer in all are you still looking for? How many deer total are quarantined? How many deer are unaccounted for? Were any deer set loose or are there any escapees? No escapees that they are aware of. No way of predicting how many farms, deer will be involved or quarantined.
Fence in York is down, and wild deer can interact there; presenting problems. Do you have any plans to replace that fence so that the area is more secure safeguarding the wild populations, AND do you have any plans to add a regulation requiring an additional fence around the parameter of all deer farms to prevent nose to nose interactions with free range deer? The PDA is working with the PGC to get the fence back up. No additional fencing requirements are in play at this time, but they are talking about it.
Wild Deer are attracted to areas near fencing because of the scent of deer, and oftentimes bedding is discarded there. Deer are known to eat the feces of other deer, and I have concerns about the areas directly outside of the fence used as disposal areas because the free range deer would be especially attracted to the feces due to the high mineral and protein content because of supplemental feeding practices. What are the regulations on bedding/urine, feces disposal; because the waste is often thrown on the other side of the fence where wild deer are known to interact, especially when doe are in estrus? The Secretary seemed caught off guard by this. Their vet confirmed that its true. They will be looking into disposal methods.
Have any deer from any of these facilities been sold to restaurants or humans for consumption, or any deer get sold or traded with deer farmers that provide those products? Nothing confirmed, but it is possible
What urine sales/use ban measures in place or do you intend to place on the industry in the disease management area, and in Pennsylvania as a whole?
Only in the DMA (Disease Management Area)
How many farms of the 1200 deer farms participate in voluntary monitoring? What about the rest? (adding) What incentive do the deer farmers have to test knowing if a sample comes back positive, they will be put out of business?? Ag said the testing was mandatory, but only 30 deer for facilities that are large; or a % of small farms. I'll file this again under right to know
AG said last Thursday at the press conference that the public would have daily sit reps. We haven’t seen any. Why is that? Do we need to file right to know requests when this has the potential to effect more than 1 million hunters in Pennsylvania and the economic stimulation hunters provide even in these difficult economic times?
Ag's only reply is that they have been overwhelmed and they are letting the PGC get word to hunters.
Has Maryland has been notified and what efforts have been made to notify the large animal vets in the area? What information did you give them? Yes, and Yes. All certified vets in Pennsylvania have been notified as have neighboring states, USDA, and others. They want a list of sportsman's groups as contacts. We suggested they send the information to me and Gary and we can coordinate those efforts through the PFSC (and I'll get word to QDMA)
Ag mentioned interstate and intrastate transport of deer is common in Pennsylvania. What immediate restrictions and safeguards have been put in place to stop all transport until the investigation is over? Can someone else help me here? I believe there are VOLUNTARY restrictions only. The department of Ag urged farmers to not trade, sell or buy until all sites have been notified. I liken this to a person who has a sexually transmitted disease. They find who the person's partners were, find out who their partners were, and who their partners sexual partners were. Same applies. Not all farms have been notified of pending quarantines, but will be in the near future. They could be one, or buying from one of them
Do you intend to have more stringent regulations on semen sales and shipping from areas both inside and outside of the Commonwealth?
Voluntary for now
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Post by galthatfishes on Oct 18, 2012 11:04:12 GMT -5
Did I mention in the PGC restrictions deer have to be deboned and taxidermy must be done within the DMA?
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Post by galthatfishes on Oct 18, 2012 19:34:58 GMT -5
Just finished filing the first of the right to know requests.
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Post by galthatfishes on Oct 18, 2012 20:11:59 GMT -5
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Post by melody on Oct 18, 2012 21:32:01 GMT -5
What about farmed deer? Did they ban them?
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Post by dennyf on Oct 18, 2012 21:45:26 GMT -5
NY's just announced ban is for deer parts, pretty much the same restrictions as the new PA restrictions on removing deer parts from the new DMA area.
AS of 2008, NY required all imported live deer to meet Federal standards on being vet-certified disease free, but one of the diseases wasn't CWD as far as I can determine?
Here's some of it:
Section 62.7. Deer importation (a) In order to move deer into the State for any purpose other than immediate slaughter:
(1) the destination of the deer must be in compliance with the requirements of section 68 of this Part; and
(2) the deer to be moved meet the requirements of section 68 of this Part including having a prior permit for importation; and
(3) all deer must be accompanied by an approved certificate of veterinary inspection; and
(4) deer originating from USDA Certified Brucellosis-Free cervid herds do not require testing for interstate movement; all sexually intact deer 180 days of age or older from USDA Brucellosis-Monitored cervid herds must test negative for brucellosis within 90 days prior to interstate movement; all other sexually intact deer 180 days of age or older must be tested for brucellosis within 30 days prior to interstate movement; and (b) For purposes of the enforcement of article 5 of the Agriculture and Markets Law, and except where in conflict with the statutes of this State or with the rules and regulations promulgated by the commissioner, the commissioner hereby adopts the current Federal
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Post by galthatfishes on Oct 19, 2012 5:49:16 GMT -5
With 6 farms being under quarantine this morning, and Dep Sec. Meals et. al. announcing more than 100 farms will be in the quarantine before the trace-back is over, I suppose no one will want the deer and these farmers will be stuck with them.
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