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Post by Dutch on Jan 24, 2014 17:00:51 GMT -5
It's simply a semi automatic rifle. Mine hasn't been assaulted nor has it assaulted anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2014 17:04:57 GMT -5
I don't understand why an A\R-15 is called an "assault weapon". What has the rifle assaulted? Maybe Sandy Hook Elementary School parents can enlighten you..... |
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 24, 2014 17:07:13 GMT -5
Maybe Sandy Hook Elementary School parents can enlighten you..... More Brady Campaign talking points. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2014 17:08:21 GMT -5
Yea, it never happened.
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Post by davet on Jan 24, 2014 18:21:47 GMT -5
I don't understand why an A\R-15 is called an "assault weapon". What has the rifle assaulted? Maybe Sandy Hook Elementary School parents can enlighten you..... For those who refuse to look at the underlying problem of the Sandy Hook shooting (that being the Mental Illness of the shooter) the same outcome could have been accomplished if the incredibly stupid mother had "trained" the kid with: 1-Pump shotgun 2-Semi-auto shotgun 3-Any 6 or 7 shot revolver with a proper amount of speed loaders 4- Any semi-auto pistol of 9mm or larger caliber Freytown.....send your contributions to the Brady Campaign, Washington D.C. For the rest of the 2A supporters and hunters who feel as bad or worse about the Sandy Hook shootings as anyone else other than the immediate families, we all know what the NRA stated is in fact true. (To stop a bad guy with a gun, takes a good guy with a gun) In addition, the main stream media keeps broadcasting the names of the shooters of these events....which is why these sick kids keep doing this. They know they will get national exposure of their name even when they are dead. (Albeit, I've noticed recently the main street media has refrained from splattering the shooters names and faces 24\7 on their news cast). The ONLY law that needs addressed is the one where mental health Doctors (and NOT government appointed officials) can add to a list that a mentally disturbed cannot buy or have access to a firearm. IT'S THE FREAKING WHACK JOBS THAT HAVE DONE THE ASSAULTING!!! THEIR TOOL OF CHOICE HAS BEEN THE A\R-15!! OTOH, in the case of the Navy ship yard, since the shooter (Mental whack job) "only" used a pump shotgun....the mainstream media backed off real quick. Now...WHY DON'T WE CALL ALL SHOTGUNS "ASSAULT WEAPONS" AND THEN WE CAN ALSO CALL THEM "ILLEGAL GUNS" Tell me this when any of that crap makes sense. Dave |
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Post by bushmaster on Jan 24, 2014 20:55:35 GMT -5
I don't understand why an A\R-15 is called an "assault weapon". What has the rifle assaulted? Maybe Sandy Hook Elementary School parents can enlighten you..... Boy, your either anti gun, or just don't think before you post! Sandy Hook had nothing to do with the weapon, it was all about the person pulling the trigger! He could have done, what he did, with just about any weapon! You sound like your don't like guns, or just don't understand. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 25, 2014 8:19:24 GMT -5
Maybe Sandy Hook Elementary School parents can enlighten you..... Boy, your either anti gun, or just don't think before you post! Sandy Hook had nothing to do with the weapon, it was all about the person pulling the trigger! He could have done, what he did, with just about any weapon! You sound like your don't like guns, or just don't understand. It was pretty clear he didn't like bows but it now appears he doesn't like guns either. Or doesn't understand how different looking guns are very similar. Or doesn't quite have a grasp of the threats against gun ownership and the use of guns for all of their intended purposes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 9:56:57 GMT -5
Dave, you asked for an example of an assault rifle…I gave you one. Don’t like it…too bad, because that was reality. And if you were one of these parents you and everyone else would be whistling another tune. rant
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 10:06:08 GMT -5
The only thing worse than seeing Ar-15's in the deer woods would be if they were .223. I lose those stupid little cartridges in my pockets. Of course a lot of those rounds found in AR's aren't suitable for any kind of big game. The .300 Whisper and AAC Blackout are good examples.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 25, 2014 10:09:30 GMT -5
Dave, you asked for an example of an assault rifle…I gave you one. Don’t like it…too bad, because that was reality. And if you were one of these parents you and everyone else would be whistling another tune. rant But the fact remains that if that "assault rifle"(whatever that is) is regulated for hunting with a magazine restriction of 5 or 10 rounds which is pretty standard most places, that "assault rifle" is essentialy the same as every other semi automatic rifle out there and very close to lever and pump guns. Heck, one can buy high capacity mags for what may be our most popular big game rifle in Pa, the Remington pump, and hunt with it loaded to the hilt. The fact is supporting restrictions on what you or others deem "assault rifles", is also supporting restricting the ability to own and use other firearms that have the exact same abilities and are widely used for target, protection and sporting purposes. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 25, 2014 10:12:04 GMT -5
The only thing worse than seeing Ar-15's in the deer woods would be if they were .223. I lose those stupid little cartridges in my pockets. Of course a lot of those rounds found in AR's aren't suitable for any kind of big game. The .300 Whisper and AAC Blackout are good examples. But .223 is a legal cartridge for deer hunting in Pa. If they are not suitable, make your case to the PGC. AR's, and many other semiautomatic firearms are chambered in some pretty heavy duty cartridges suitable for our largest and most dangerous game. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 25, 2014 10:14:11 GMT -5
Notice how the discussion evolves to yet again focus on deer? Heaven forbid sportsmen could unite to support a push for legalizing semi rimfire for small game or semi centerfire for varmints and predators. If those were implemented, no one would know the difference and all that would be hurt would be bruised egos from the antis.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 10:40:51 GMT -5
The only thing worse than seeing Ar-15's in the deer woods would be if they were .223. I lose those stupid little cartridges in my pockets. Of course a lot of those rounds found in AR's aren't suitable for any kind of big game. The .300 Whisper and AAC Blackout are good examples. But .223 is a legal cartridge for deer hunting in Pa. If they are not suitable, make your case to the PGC. AR's, and many other semiautomatic firearms are chambered in some pretty heavy duty cartridges suitable for our largest and most dangerous game. Only because we don't have any large or dangerous game in the state. Well Elk are at least large if nothing else. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 10:41:38 GMT -5
Notice how the discussion evolves to yet again focus on deer? Heaven forbid sportsmen could unite to support a push for legalizing semi rimfire for small game or semi centerfire for varmints and predators. If those were implemented, no one would know the difference and all that would be hurt would be bruised egos from the antis. I'd be all for it for small game and predators. The AR's I mean. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 10:42:59 GMT -5
I understand & respect the arguments on both sides of this issue. I think 20-25 years ago or so it woulda had a much better chance of changing before the population densities/demographics have changed. I'm really more looking to many southern counties that are now cf to be reregulated to shotgun only. As I posted before...a soft push for small game rimfire semi's is something I believe would be viable at this juncture. As far as those AR-15's ....I personally never hope to see a gang of hunters marchin across the woods totin them least in the neck of woods i hunt in! Thats just me...but as some posted here I ain't the only one in that camp.  |
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Post by bawanajim on Jan 25, 2014 10:58:59 GMT -5
You're really going to have to twist this around some how so that its good for the kids, and money, the two being why any change is good, we all know you are doing it for your own financial gain, which I'm all for, I'm a capitalist at heart!
Now work how kids need these rifles to enjoy hunting, and to want to go hunting, into your presentation and your golden, the cross bow plan would be a great starting point.
When you run into an obstacle just remember money & kids and get back on track.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 11:07:24 GMT -5
You're really going to have to twist this around some how so that its good for the kids, and money, the two being why any change is good, we all know you are doing it for your own financial gain, which I'm all for, I'm a capitalist at heart! Now work how kids need these rifles to enjoy hunting, and to want to go hunting, into your presentation and your golden, the cross bow plan would be a great starting point. When you run into an obstacle just remember money & kids and get back on track. It's already happening. I've already been hearing how the younger generation is not interested in traditional hunting rifles but they love AR's. So if we don't legalize AR's in a few decades no one will hunt anymore because shooting game with a bolt action isn't "fun". Personally, anybody that just hunts for the fun of killing can stay away from my deer woods and I don't care if we run out of hunters. I've always said this state has too many anyhow. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 25, 2014 11:08:30 GMT -5
When you run into an obstacle just remember money & kids and get back on track. Biggest obstacle is hunters, unfortunately, and the perceptions that exist among non gun owners. You won't see me bringing up money and kids during this discussion. The issue is so much deeper than that at its core. |
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Post by bawanajim on Jan 25, 2014 11:24:17 GMT -5
Its not deep at all, its simply unfavorable to the majority.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jan 25, 2014 12:06:30 GMT -5
Its not deep at all, its simply unfavorable to the majority. According to who and what majority? |
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Post by davet on Jan 25, 2014 12:19:52 GMT -5
Dave, you asked for an example of an assault rifle…I gave you one. Don’t like it…too bad, because that was reality. And if you were one of these parents you and everyone else would be whistling another tune. rant Who, other than the main stream media, define's the A\R-15 as an "assault rifle"? Or...perhaps it's Webster's dictionary? Lets look...shall we? link OH MY!!!! This means that your Remington 1100 is AN ASSUALT WEAPON!! You are now lumped in with all of the criminals of the world....AND your Rem 1100 is NOW AN ILLEGAL FIREARM!! Please instruct your ILLEGAL REM 1100 TO GO STRAIGHT TO JAIL!!! Thanks. A message from the Brady organization. BTW...your welcome. Dave |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 12:25:56 GMT -5
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Post by bushmaster on Jan 25, 2014 12:38:05 GMT -5
People get shot every day. Yes, it's horrible, but the guns are not shooting themselves.
The problem is people. Lots of whacko's out there!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 12:41:42 GMT -5
Same day as Sandy hook a knife yielding attacker attacked and stabbed 20 kids. China has strict gun laws by the way. People argue that the kids didn't die. In my opinion they should have now they will have mental issues because of this idiot.
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Post by Dutch on Jan 25, 2014 14:51:42 GMT -5
Have you looked at the FBI Crime stats on deaths by firearms. Only a very small percentage were by RIFLES. This is the anti-gun battle we fought after Connecticut. The stats do not bear you out. If you want to cut down on deaths from firearms, you need to get rid of handguns....... of course, most of the deaths by handguns are a result of people who are not legally allowed to own a gun, so by disarming the good people, you will not save many, if any. |
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