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Post by jwk on Apr 26, 2024 7:04:03 GMT -5
They are also chanting "Death to America" "Death to Israel" Unfortunately, our Constitution allows that Does it? It sounds like a threat to me. I don't believe the constitution allows threats against our country.
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Post by jwk on Apr 26, 2024 7:14:14 GMT -5
Just Imagine if some right wing groups would chant those things. What do you think would happen?
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Post by Dutch on Apr 26, 2024 7:20:49 GMT -5
Just Imagine if some right wing groups would chant those things. What do you think would happen? Maybe I'm wrong, but I looked up court cases for hate crimes, and in all cases it was specific threats towards someone, not general statements. So, I'm not 100% sure Death to America is hate speech. Do I thinks it's wrong? Sure.
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Post by jwk on Apr 26, 2024 7:45:10 GMT -5
Just Imagine if some right wing groups would chant those things. What do you think would happen? Maybe I'm wrong, but I looked up court cases for hate crimes, and in all cases it was specific threats towards someone, not general statements. So, I'm not 100% sure Death to America is hate speech. Do I thinks it's wrong? Sure. It may not be hate speech, but it might be considered treason. I'm not 100% sure on either, but maybe it should be.
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Post by Dutch on Apr 26, 2024 7:55:39 GMT -5
Maybe I'm wrong, but I looked up court cases for hate crimes, and in all cases it was specific threats towards someone, not general statements. So, I'm not 100% sure Death to America is hate speech. Do I thinks it's wrong? Sure. It may not be hate speech, but it might be considered treason. I'm not 100% sure on either, but maybe it should be. But storming the Capitol to stop official election proceedings is not treason?? And those people are now called hostages? WTH??
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Post by jwk on Apr 26, 2024 7:57:27 GMT -5
It may not be hate speech, but it might be considered treason. I'm not 100% sure on either, but maybe it should be. But storming the Capitol to stop official election proceedings is not treason?? And those people are now called hostages? WTH?? I'm not going there. Everything leads to Trump with you guys.
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Post by Dutch on Apr 26, 2024 8:00:15 GMT -5
But storming the Capitol to stop official election proceedings is not treason?? And those people are now called hostages? WTH?? I'm not going there. Everything leads to Trump with you guys. You don't see the hypocrisy? Again, what you are against, may not be hate speech.
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Post by jwk on Apr 26, 2024 8:04:02 GMT -5
I'm not going there. Everything leads to Trump with you guys. You don't see the hypocrisy? Again, what you are against, may not be hate speech. Trust me, I see the hypocrisy.
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 26, 2024 8:20:39 GMT -5
1/6 never happened, lol. It was a peaceful tour.
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Post by jwk on Apr 26, 2024 8:28:34 GMT -5
1/6 never happened, lol. It was a peaceful tour. Not sure if that was directed at me, but I am not a supporter of what happened on Jan 6.
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 26, 2024 8:29:32 GMT -5
1/6 never happened, lol. It was a peaceful tour. Not sure if that was directed at me, but I am not a supporter of what happened on Jan 6. It was just a general comment. I try to quote people if something is directed at them.
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Post by rusty on Apr 26, 2024 8:46:27 GMT -5
These protests are nothing compared to Jan 6th. I don't like seeing either thing happening, but anyone who thinks of those who attacked our Capitol Building are hostages have allowed themselves to be played by their cult.
"Death to American" vs "Hang Mike Pence". Take your pick. Maybe you can even buy a special hat to support your team-if the maga hat doesn't do it.
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Post by moosemike on Apr 26, 2024 10:15:05 GMT -5
1/6 was done by Antifa and government paid agitators. That's seriously what people I know who were present have been telling me. Remember, the Capitol police were welcoming the people into the building. Even holding the door open. 😂
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Post by dougl on Apr 26, 2024 10:50:36 GMT -5
I only personally know one person who was there.He took a bus trip to Trumps rally but never went into the capital.He told me the same thing.There were some bad actors in the crowd for sure and quite a few people who got carried away in the moment.
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Post by Dutch on Apr 26, 2024 11:13:15 GMT -5
I only personally know one person who was there.He took a bus trip to Trumps rally but never went into the capital.He told me the same thing.There were some bad actors in the crowd for sure and quite a few people who got carried away in the moment. Looked like more than a few got carried away. Over 1000 have had charges. Sad day
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Post by Dutch on Apr 26, 2024 11:14:22 GMT -5
These protests are nothing compared to Jan 6th. I don't like seeing either thing happening, but anyone who thinks of those who attacked our Capitol Building are hostages have allowed themselves to be played by their cult. "Death to American" vs "Hang Mike Pence". Take your pick. Maybe you can even buy a special hat to support your team-if the maga hat doesn't do it. The Hang Mike Pence is certainly due to ANTIFA. 😁
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Post by dougl on Apr 26, 2024 11:42:39 GMT -5
I only personally know one person who was there.He took a bus trip to Trumps rally but never went into the capital.He told me the same thing.There were some bad actors in the crowd for sure and quite a few people who got carried away in the moment. Looked like more than a few got carried away. Over 1000 have had charges. Sad day I said quite a few.
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Post by bushmaster on Apr 26, 2024 13:05:37 GMT -5
Death to Israel is hate speech when directed at Jewish people. It's a crime. There's a horrible double standard in this country. If I say Death to Israel it's hate speech? Didn't know that. IT is if you're saying it to a jewish person or an Israeli. They are doing exactly what the young German Nazi College students did prior to the Holocaust. It's just wrong. There is a double standard. They are supporting the terrorist organization Hamas as well.
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Post by dougl on Apr 26, 2024 13:14:34 GMT -5
I don't understand the hate against Jews.Can someone give me the Cliff's notes version?Even in America,I never understood why jews are hated and discriminated against.To me,it's no different than any other religeon and I honestly could care less what or who someone believes in.
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Post by Dutch on Apr 26, 2024 13:43:29 GMT -5
I don't understand the hate against Jews.Can someone give me the Cliff's notes version?Even in America,I never understood why jews are hated and discriminated against.To me,it's no different than any other religeon and I honestly could care less what or who someone believes in. Ya know, some of this stuff goes back centuries and we have forgotten why we hate. Muslim hate for Christians goes back to the Crusades, maybe further. Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland. Why? In my mind, much of the hate and strife in the world is religious based. That's just my opinion
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Post by rusty on Apr 26, 2024 13:45:22 GMT -5
I don't understand the hate against Jews.Can someone give me the Cliff's notes version?Even in America,I never understood why jews are hated and discriminated against.To me,it's no different than any other religeon and I honestly could care less what or who someone believes in. I have always wondered the same thing. Some of the greatest minds in human history have been Jewish. Why are the hated by so many around the world?
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Post by Dutch on Apr 26, 2024 13:57:45 GMT -5
I was raised in a racist extended family at a time when race riots were everywhere and race was a very contentious issue.
I'd go to church in the morning, sing how Jesus loves all the children in the world, red, yellow, black and white, then go to my grandparents for dinner to listen to racist comments.
I suppose some of this is just taught over generations, and it takes a while for many to get the message.
Sad where we are. Glad I no longer am a racist.
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Post by davet on Apr 26, 2024 14:47:26 GMT -5
When I got my 2yr degree at the Community College I had not intentions nor desire to attend the graduation ceremony. Of course, by then I was 5 years out of high school.
But when I continued and got my bachelor's degree I felt much different. Those last 2 years took a lot of study and effort to complete. I did attend that ceremony.
I can understand if someone has completed the 4yr, 5yr, or 7yr requirements to obtain a specific degree and wants to walk across the stage.....but now can't because of a small % of students and non-students who desire to threaten violence.
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Post by moosemike on Apr 26, 2024 14:50:21 GMT -5
I don't understand the hate against Jews.Can someone give me the Cliff's notes version?Even in America,I never understood why jews are hated and discriminated against.To me,it's no different than any other religeon and I honestly could care less what or who someone believes in. Ya know, some of this stuff goes back centuries and we have forgotten why we hate. Muslim hate for Christians goes back to the Crusades, maybe further. Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland. Why? In my mind, much of the hate and strife in the world is religious based. That's just my opinion Because Catholics used to burn us at the stake as heretics.
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Post by moosemike on Apr 26, 2024 14:52:53 GMT -5
A couple hundred years ago there was still a lot of hard feelings between Protestants and Catholics. That's why the Catholics had to have their own colony (Maryland). They weren't welcome in the other ones save for PA
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