410 pattern

[dougl]

There's a difference between instincts and conscious thought.There's also a difference between pressure and being call shy.I was out again this morning and didn't hear a bird in an area where they were gobbling like crazy up until this past saturday.Just a new phase in the breeding cycle.Hunters being in the woods will stir them up,make them change patterns and become pressured.Calling to them does not wise them up.

[ridgecommander]

Apr 24, 2024 8:00:29 GMT -5 dougl said:

There's a difference between instincts and conscious thought.

Oh. So when hunting pressured gobblers, what has Denny taught you? If I recall, you rarely see other hunters so I don't know if you even hunt pressured birds.

[dougl]

Buy the tape.You'll kill more birds if you do.I rarely see other hunters when hunting deer.Every place I hunt turkeys get's plenty of pressure.I rarely see hunters during spring gobbler either because 90+ percent of the birds we kill are after 10:00am or during the later part of the season after most hunters have given up,claiming that the birds are all call shy.

The biggest things I've leaned from Denny is not to over analyze turkeys because they can't reason.Hunt them when they're most likley not around hens because the hens dictate the majority of their behavior.Twice in the past 11 or 12 years we've killed birds that we set up on when they were roosted.The biggest mistake most hunters make is calling to roosted birds.They expect the hen to come to them and if you call to them on the roost,they'll stay roosted.It's not natural.

[ridgecommander]

Apr 24, 2024 12:57:20 GMT -5 dougl said:

The biggest mistake most hunters make is calling to roosted birds.They expect the hen to come to them and if you call to them on the roost,they'll stay roosted.It's not natural.

This is something I do often, especially if I feel that there are no hens around.

[dougl]

That's something I never do.I won't consider calling to a gobbler until I'm confident he's on the ground.

[ridgecommander]

I don't set up on roosted birds much any more so my calling at first light is limited, if any. I have been spending more time in areas where they like to hang out and sporadically calling from there. Its a patience game but it has worked out for me well, lately.

[moosemike]

I used to raise Turkeys. They can reason to a point. They definitely remember bad experiences

[moosemike]

And the 410 is all you need for turkey, even long range turkey, as long as you use TSS

[davet]

Apr 29, 2024 15:20:10 GMT -5 moosemike said:

I used to raise Turkeys. They can reason to a point. They definitely remember bad experiences

Is that when their heads on the ground and they are running around like a chicken with their head cut........oh never mind

[fleroo]

Nope,people confuse turkeys doing what they're supposed to do with being call shy and pressured.hunters assume that when they go silent,they're call shy.They're just being turkeys and doing as nature intended.

I'm no turkey hunter, or turkey psychologist, but I'm fairly adept at observation..... sometimes. I agree with you. The birds here in my little "holler" of the world, were going bananas some weeks ago at daybreak. Now, these most recent weeks, barely hear a single gobble in the AM. And as I said in the other thread, I've found nests weeks ago. That tells me that the early springs we've been having, are getting these birds going earlier. You guys are hunting birds the first week of May now, that are exhibiting the behavior they did the 3rd of 4th week of May 20 years ago. There aren't people running around here in my little world, calling to birds pre-season. This ain't the "big woods" where birds need to be "located". You can look out a kitchen window or car window here and "locate" your birds. LOL