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Post by dougl on Nov 1, 2023 11:27:42 GMT -5
I'd guess it falls under that electronics as well. Sad, but if it leads to the recovery of a deer, how can that be bad? Well,when someone uses it to find deer holed up in some cover,it would be pretty easy to go in and kill them.It would be a pretty good way to find bear denned up as well.Like Mike stated,not a rabbit hole worth going down.There's a reason that many western states don't allow hunters to hunt the same day they flew in.
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Post by ridgecommander on Nov 1, 2023 11:29:10 GMT -5
Some people believe in drawing some sort of a line,others like Ridge think it should just be open season with technology. Actually this is what I said in this thread; "I am not advocating for one or the other."
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Post by dougl on Nov 1, 2023 11:33:00 GMT -5
Regardless of what you say,it's pretty obvious where you stand on the issue.
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Post by ridgecommander on Nov 1, 2023 11:54:09 GMT -5
Regardless of what you say,it's pretty obvious where you stand on the issue. Where do I stand on drones for hunting and game recovery?
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Post by dougl on Nov 1, 2023 12:09:00 GMT -5
Well,unless you oppose fish finders,you either approve of drones or you're calling yourself a hypocrit.
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Post by ridgecommander on Nov 1, 2023 12:10:51 GMT -5
Well,unless you oppose fish finders,you either approve of drones or you're calling yourself a hypocrit. So where do I stand on drones for hunting and game recovery?
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Post by dougl on Nov 1, 2023 12:24:23 GMT -5
The same place you stand on using sonar for fishing.It really doesn't matter as it would be near impossible to regulate and enforce.
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Post by ridgecommander on Nov 1, 2023 13:00:16 GMT -5
The same place you stand on using sonar for fishing.It really doesn't matter as it would be near impossible to regulate and enforce. I do support sonar while fishing. So I guess you believe I support the use of drones to aid in pursuing game while hunting and I support the use of drones for the recovery of game? I don't support their use for active hunting. Scouting yes, but maybe a time limit like Alaska has for hunting after flying. I would support thier use for game recovery but regulated fairly well. You mentioned being a hypocrite. Maybe? Aren't we all at some point. I would refer you back to my other previous comments in this thread which explains the conundrum: "People often attach different moral and ethical standards to different things. If we see a big carpenter ant, many smash it but would not think about smashing a toad with a stick. People often have no problem stringing fish to allow them to suffocate, bot loathe the thought of a deer suffering. Many have no problem using sonar to fish over a school of yellowtail snapper, but have issues with using a drone to see what field the deer are in."
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Post by dougl on Nov 1, 2023 15:33:04 GMT -5
I don't use sonar and I release all of my fish so it really doesn't matter to me.I'm not a fan of most technology.I don't believe it helps the cause for hunting and generally speaking causes more social issues than it's worth in the real world.There's nothing we can do about it though,as it's the wave of the future.I sure liked most things way better the way they were 30 years ago.
Like I said,you support their use.
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Post by ridgecommander on Nov 1, 2023 15:44:01 GMT -5
Like I said,you support their use. In some instances, yes. In others, no.
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Post by Loggy on Nov 1, 2023 18:05:55 GMT -5
Todays generation of upcoming hunters don't enjoy the benefit of learning "boots on the ground" taught woodsmanship in their development of lifelong hunting skills as I did growing up. If their batteries go dead or don't have a redi USB connection they're pretty much SOL! lol I use some of those today's "can't do without" gadgetry but will always have the ole woodsmansip skills my Dad taught me.... to always fall back on.
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Post by stroupy on Nov 1, 2023 18:47:50 GMT -5
I think it's neat but think it's already being abused and will be. If you don't put a good enough shot on it then maybe you deserve not to find it. If you put a good shot on it then reap the rewards.
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Post by stroupy on Nov 1, 2023 18:49:08 GMT -5
Todays generation of upcoming hunters don't enjoy the benefit of learning "boots on the ground" taught woodsmanship in their development of lifelong hunting skills as I did growing up. If their batteries go dead or don't have a redi USB connection they're pretty much SOL! lol I use some of those today's "can't do without" gadgetry but will always have the ole woodsmansip skills my Dad taught me.... to always fall back on. I walk 2 miles in because I think it's more thrn just killing. Just enjoy being in the woods. Riding up in your atv and sitting in a 5x5 heated hut in the sky is not for me and don't ever plan for it to be.
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Post by Dutch on Nov 1, 2023 18:51:20 GMT -5
I think it's neat but think it's already being abused and will be. If you don't put a good enough shot on it then maybe you deserve not to find it. If you put a good shot on it then reap the rewards. So you lose a deer, that dies, unfound, then you get to go out and shoot another. Two deer dead. In this case, one deer dead
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Post by stroupy on Nov 1, 2023 19:49:59 GMT -5
I think it's neat but think it's already being abused and will be. If you don't put a good enough shot on it then maybe you deserve not to find it. If you put a good shot on it then reap the rewards. So you lose a deer, that dies, unfound, then you get to go out and shoot another. Two deer dead. In this case, one deer dead I see your point, just think we make it easier for people to be sloppy too often.
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Post by Dutch on Nov 1, 2023 20:14:12 GMT -5
So you lose a deer, that dies, unfound, then you get to go out and shoot another. Two deer dead. In this case, one deer dead I see your point, just think we make it easier for people to be sloppy too often. Maybe, but these drone guys aren't doing this for free, so, in my mind, I sure wouldn't want to pay a few hundred to look for a deer
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Post by dougl on Nov 2, 2023 8:50:11 GMT -5
It isn't just the drones or the ever expanding technology into hunting that bothers me.It's just part of the bigger picture where every year that passes,our lives become more and more controlled and dependent on technology.The more that happens,the worse things get and that bothers me.Hunting is nothing more than an escape for me from that insanity.I want as little technology in the field as I can get away with so I simply draw the line at certain things.
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Post by rusty on Nov 2, 2023 9:18:10 GMT -5
So you lose a deer, that dies, unfound, then you get to go out and shoot another. Two deer dead. In this case, one deer dead I see your point, just think we make it easier for people to be sloppy too often. I share your suspicions Stroupy. And when there are crossbow advertisements showing groups shot at 100 yards, I believe it makes risky/sloppy/unethical shots more likely. And some in all bow hunting circles may be more willing to take risk shots, thinking that if they do make a bad hit a dog will come and save their hunt. Nothing is perfect and anything that can be abused will be by some. Tracking dogs keep a lot of deer from being left wasted. Drones may do the same. Penalties for misuse of technology most be severe enough to deter those who want a trophy at nearly any cost. I'll keep shooting my cheap compound and limit my shots to 30 yards or closer and hope the recoveries are quick.
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Post by Loggy on Nov 2, 2023 9:21:34 GMT -5
It isn't just the drones or the ever expanding technology into hunting that bothers me.It's just part of the bigger picture where every year that passes,our lives become more and more controlled and dependent on technology.The more that happens,the worse things get and that bothers me.Hunting is nothing more than an escape for me from that insanity.I want as little technology in the field as I can get away with so I simply draw the line at certain things. Well said!! I know when the handheld GPS's first got popular I went out and bought one. After using several times I went back to the ole Silva Compass and paper topo map for navagation which I still use today when hunting unfamilar woods.
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Post by dougl on Nov 2, 2023 9:41:47 GMT -5
I have a cheap,simple GPS and I only use it to get back to my truck in areas where I'm not familiar.I do have a GPS tracking collar for my dog and that just gives me a piece of mind.It's a safety issue and using technology for safety is fine.I used to enjoy playing with cameras during the summer but to me,they're just more hassle than they're worth.The new cell cams cross the line on my own personal code of ethics although I don't care if other prople use them.I'd be lying though is I said seeing them all over the woods doesn't bug me a little.I just try to keep things simple.Boots on the ground and I take very little with me when I hunt.I never use a pack,even if I plan on staying out all day.I'm not desperate to kill anything,regardless of the size.I need the escape and when it feels right,I'll shoot some deer here and there.I practice constantly because shooting is fun and another escape for me and I'm very picky on the shots I take.Occasionally I don't hit where I'm aiming and then patience comes into play.A successful hunt for me results in an animals lights being out with seconds.On the rare occassion that doesn't happen,I consider it a failed hunt.I don't see the need for a drone in my future until we get invaded by China.
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