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Post by CoureurDeBois on Jul 31, 2023 17:47:27 GMT -5
One would think that an important feature of “mentoring” youth would be to teach the youth how imperative it is to practice AR assuming such practice benefits the resource?? About 10% of our hunters are youth hunters. While I believe ARs should be across the board, I'll give them that. My daughter has yet to kill a deer, should she be exempt? If she's a mentor youth, yes. All hunters. want their children to follow them and become the same, doesn't, isn't going to happen, no matter what you do. Everyone is different, every kid is different, sure introduce them to the outdoors, hunting and fishing, camping, etc, but don't push. Some will take to it some won't, not your fault. I have two grandsons, same parents, family is still together, mom and dad both hunt and fish. The oldest one took to hunting and fishing like a duck to water, the youngest, 2 years different in age, could care less. Actually he goes to please his parents more than himself.
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Post by Dutch on Aug 1, 2023 11:39:23 GMT -5
About 10% of our hunters are youth hunters. While I believe ARs should be across the board, I'll give them that. My daughter has yet to kill a deer, should she be exempt? If she's a mentor youth, yes. All hunters. want their children to follow them and become the same, doesn't, isn't going to happen, no matter what you do. Everyone is different, every kid is different, sure introduce them to the outdoors, hunting and fishing, camping, etc, but don't push. Some will take to it some won't, not your fault. I have two grandsons, same parents, family is still together, mom and dad both hunt and fish. The oldest one took to hunting and fishing like a duck to water, the youngest, 2 years different in age, could care less. Actually he goes to please his parents more than himself. She's coming up on 35
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Aug 1, 2023 12:09:28 GMT -5
If she's a mentor youth, yes. All hunters. want their children to follow them and become the same, doesn't, isn't going to happen, no matter what you do. Everyone is different, every kid is different, sure introduce them to the outdoors, hunting and fishing, camping, etc, but don't push. Some will take to it some won't, not your fault. I have two grandsons, same parents, family is still together, mom and dad both hunt and fish. The oldest one took to hunting and fishing like a duck to water, the youngest, 2 years different in age, could care less. Actually he goes to please his parents more than himself. She's coming up on 35 Tell the PGC she identifies herself as an 11 year old.😁
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Post by dougl on Aug 1, 2023 12:10:10 GMT -5
One would think that an important feature of “mentoring” youth would be to teach the youth how imperative it is to practice AR assuming such practice benefits the resource?? It's tough to teach adults patience,let alone kids.I let my son shoot whatever he wanted the first couple of years but the truth is,he would have killed better bucks if he didn't have an itchy trigger finger.Here's a dink he shot when he was 9.On the last day,he wanted to come with me so I decided to sit in a double set I put up for him.It was my last choice as far as stand go but since he wanted to go,I figured what the heck.Just before dark and after I lowered my bow to the ground a huge buck came past,dogging a doe.I pulled my bow up as fast as I could,knocked an arrow but it was too late.As I was watching where that deer went,Jordan said buck.I looked up and a smaller 8 point was right on their trail,maybe 60 yards out.I grunted at him and he turned.Without me knowing,Jordan pulled his can out and gave a long bleat.the deer came crashing in and I shot it.Had he not killed that dink,this buck would have been his.The next year I encouraged him to hold out and he killed a nice one.It wouldn't have broke my heart if he was forced to have patience.
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Post by westfieldjoe on Aug 3, 2023 13:47:38 GMT -5
Senior AR removal won't have a large enough impact to throw the intent of ARs into a deer health tailspin.
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Post by dougl on Aug 3, 2023 14:03:45 GMT -5
In the end,I believe you're right.
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Post by Dutch on Aug 3, 2023 14:48:14 GMT -5
Senior AR removal won't have a large enough impact to throw the intent of ARs into a deer health tailspin. If I remember right, the PGC says it will, due to the numbers. What it will do is reduce the number of bucks available to those 17-64, making it harder for that age group to connect. Remember, those sub legal bucks, the next year, would be legal for the 17-64. Those now complaining about not seeing legal bucks, will see even fewer
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Post by cspot on Aug 3, 2023 14:57:05 GMT -5
Anyone know what the percentage of 17-64, juniors, and seniors are in the current hunting population?
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Post by westfieldjoe on Aug 3, 2023 15:06:41 GMT -5
Senior AR removal won't have a large enough impact to throw the intent of ARs into a deer health tailspin. If I remember right, the PGC says it will, due to the numbers. What it will do is reduce the number of bucks available to those 17-64, making it harder for that age group to connect. Remember, those sub legal bucks, the next year, would be legal for the 17-64. Those now complaining about not seeing legal bucks, will see even fewer There probably isn't a 5% difference between NY and Pa with the 2.5 year old harvest. There isn't enough 65+ hunters who will opt in. It comes down to someone else shooting my deer Just like so much of all this ends up.
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Post by muttleysback on Aug 3, 2023 16:18:04 GMT -5
It also comes down to wanting to kill a buck. Any buck will do. It isn't a meat thing. If it was, a doe would do just fine, so try explaining how THAT is the most important thing.
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Post by westfieldjoe on Aug 3, 2023 17:33:12 GMT -5
Why should one person's choice overrule another's if both choices are legal?
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Post by muttleysback on Aug 3, 2023 18:07:58 GMT -5
good question. Could be applied to both sides of this argument since both choices are not legal at the present time.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Aug 3, 2023 18:28:21 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why we have different rules/ regulations for different age groups of hunters? Why do we need different regulations for hunters in different area of the state, that doesn't pertain to safety? Why do we have seasons based on the age the hunter? Why are seasons length vastly different depending on the weapon used? Especially when the lethal distance along with the degree of learned proficiently is about the same. Can some one tell me how in the H did we go from a regulation booklet of 4" X 3 1/2" 30 years ago that most new exactly what was in it, to todays 8" X 11" regulation book that very few know what's in it? My point is, all of the above has just create animosity leading toward, to some degree, an antagonistic attitude, when in todays world we should be more united, if we wish hunting to survive into the future. Let's go back to the same rules, all of them, for everyone, no matter who you are, what you use or what you hunt. At one time it was that way, and there was very little inter fighting, yes some different of opinion, but nothing like today.
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Post by Loggy on Aug 4, 2023 7:47:12 GMT -5
It may be just in the areas I hunt but....... the last 3-4 years I've been seeing some high & wide racked 4 pointers mostly large deer. Most far exceed many of the lil scrubby (LEGAL)6 & 8 pointers I have taken since AR. Just sayin......as I'm really not a bone collector nor have the desire to mount another whitetail....as all will be skull mounts.
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Post by Dutch on Aug 4, 2023 8:03:02 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why we have different rules/ regulations for different age groups of hunters? Why do we need different regulations for hunters in different area of the state, that doesn't pertain to safety? Why do we have seasons based on the age the hunter? Why are seasons length vastly different depending on the weapon used? Especially when the lethal distance along with the degree of learned proficiently is about the same. Can some one tell me how in the H did we go from a regulation booklet of 4" X 3 1/2" 30 years ago that most new exactly what was in it, to todays 8" X 11" regulation book that very few know what's in it? My point is, all of the above has just create animosity leading toward, to some degree, an antagonistic attitude, when in todays world we should be more united, if we wish hunting to survive into the future. Let's go back to the same rules, all of them, for everyone, no matter who you are, what you use or what you hunt. At one time it was that way, and there was very little inter fighting, yes some different of opinion, but nothing like today. Here in the SE, with great soils, ARs should be 3 up. The west had higher ARs because of the soil issues. Personally, I Believe 3 up should be statewide, and no exceptions.
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Post by moosemike on Aug 4, 2023 8:05:57 GMT -5
And personally I believe AR's should be completely abolished 🙂
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Post by ridgecommander on Aug 4, 2023 8:20:45 GMT -5
I Like ARs for selfish reasons, but in the end, generally support a hunter making the decision about which animal to shoot. As long as it flips their switch who am I to decide what is best for them. Unless some significant biological reasons exists to protect small rack bucks, which the PGC has never proven how ARs has benefitted our deer herd, I understand why ARs could or should go away.
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Post by Dutch on Aug 4, 2023 8:20:48 GMT -5
And over 60% are satisfied with ARs
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Post by moosemike on Aug 4, 2023 8:23:03 GMT -5
The vast majority of Republicans are satisfied with Trump too
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Post by Loggy on Aug 4, 2023 8:23:13 GMT -5
I Like ARs for selfish reasons, bu tin the end generally support a hunter making the decision about which animal to shoot. As long as it flips their switch who am I to decide what is best for them. Unless some significant biological reasons exists to protect small rack bucks, which the PGC has never proven how ARs has benefitted our deer herd, I understand why ARs could or should go away. Totally agree....it should be the hunter who decides.....PERIOD. Same as harvesting bear cubs, button's in doe season.... etc
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Post by westfieldjoe on Aug 4, 2023 8:31:26 GMT -5
I believe AR was necessary in the beginning. It kicked it off immediately. Its time for the PGC to wean off of if. Removing AR for seniors is an incremental move toward full removal. If Pa gets similar results as NY, no harm done.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Aug 4, 2023 9:20:35 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why we have different rules/ regulations for different age groups of hunters? Why do we need different regulations for hunters in different area of the state, that doesn't pertain to safety? Why do we have seasons based on the age the hunter? Why are seasons length vastly different depending on the weapon used? Especially when the lethal distance along with the degree of learned proficiently is about the same. Can some one tell me how in the H did we go from a regulation booklet of 4" X 3 1/2" 30 years ago that most new exactly what was in it, to todays 8" X 11" regulation book that very few know what's in it? My point is, all of the above has just create animosity leading toward, to some degree, an antagonistic attitude, when in todays world we should be more united, if we wish hunting to survive into the future. Let's go back to the same rules, all of them, for everyone, no matter who you are, what you use or what you hunt. At one time it was that way, and there was very little inter fighting, yes some different of opinion, but nothing like today. Here in the SE, with great soils, ARs should be 3 up. The west had higher ARs because of the soil issues. Personally, I Believe 3 up should be statewide, and no exceptions. Dis agree, I vote for 3 points to one side, statewide no exception. I will admit though, that when I see a buck I look for 3 up, my personal rule. At the same time I saw a 6 point one time that I would of broken that rule on, he was huge, both body wise and rack wise. I would estimate the deer would of gone 180 lb on the hoof and the rack would of scored 120 inches, plus or minus a little on either.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Aug 4, 2023 9:29:53 GMT -5
I would also break my above rules in late flint lock season. I will be 77 years of age come late season, I have yet to kill a buck with a flintlock, the first legal buck that crosses my path, I will try too harvest. Figure I don't have too many seasons left to "Get It Done", to heck with the rack size.🤣
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Post by dougl on Aug 4, 2023 9:39:50 GMT -5
The older I get,the less I care about shooting anything.I have zero regrets when I pass on any animal.
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Post by muttleysback on Aug 4, 2023 10:24:14 GMT -5
Likewise, Doug. I haven't killed a PA buck in the past three seasons, but have zero regrets about passing on several legal ones. I guess it just isn't that important any more. I do like seeing the big ones though.
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