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Post by Loggy on Feb 24, 2023 18:05:12 GMT -5
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Post by ridgecommander on Feb 24, 2023 21:44:39 GMT -5
Wish I had a kid to take fishing on youth day. I miss enjoying that day with my nephew.
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Post by rusty on Feb 25, 2023 11:03:37 GMT -5
I like the idea of a youth day, but allowing mentors to fish for themselves is a crock. If it's about mentoring a kid leave the fishing rod at home if you're not a youth. Whose idea was it to let adults fish too?
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Post by Loggy on Feb 25, 2023 11:19:09 GMT -5
I like the idea of a youth day, but allowing mentors to fish for themselves is a crock. If it's about mentoring a kid leave the fishing rod at home if you're not a youth. Whose idea was it to let adults fish too? Yep....makes a lot of sense with the youth standing there holding a Zeb 33 outfit & the so called "mentor" flippng flies with his Fenwick. |
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Post by cspot on Feb 25, 2023 11:34:05 GMT -5
The couple of times that I took my kids for the youth day, I think I recall only one adult fishing. THat spot was open to year around fishing anyway. The adults where I was at were simply helping the kids. Now I have no doubt that some take advantage of the system.
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Post by Loggy on Feb 25, 2023 11:54:05 GMT -5
Not all that familiar with youth day as didn't exist when my kids were growing up as think it started about 10 years ago. A quick read seems that the"Mentor" only needs to be at least 16 & a licensed angler...not parent, guardian etc. Could be a friend, brother/sister etc? Maybe im reading it wrong? Plus...I incorrectly just assumed that the "mentor" couldn't fish....only the youth. Oh well...it is what it is.
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Post by rusty on Feb 25, 2023 15:23:17 GMT -5
I never fished the first day once I started taking my sons. We fished about a mil down stream for where the stocking stopped above our place so we had to it to ourselves and my wife and I were plenty busy, especially the year we had 2,4,and 6 yr olds learning.
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Post by cspot on Feb 25, 2023 18:04:56 GMT -5
Not all that familiar with youth day as didn't exist when my kids were growing up as think it started about 10 years ago. A quick read seems that the"Mentor" only needs to be at least 16 & a licensed angler...not parent, guardian etc. Could be a friend, brother/sister etc? Maybe im reading it wrong? Plus...I incorrectly just assumed that the "mentor" couldn't fish....only the youth. Oh well...it is what it is. I believe that the intent by letting adults fish is that they are hoping maybe an adult itching to get out may take a family friends kid or something like that. Not sure how much that helps. Like I said when we went most of the adults were merely assisting. As I am sure you know Loggy if you have kids with you fishing, you don't spend much time fishing for yourself on most days anyway. LOL |
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Post by Loggy on Feb 25, 2023 18:23:25 GMT -5
Agree CS.. Bottomline if it gets the kids faces away from being pasted to their phone/iPad screens ......likely a positive thing!!  |
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Post by ridgecommander on Feb 25, 2023 18:36:25 GMT -5
You have to allow the adult to fish as very young kids often need help casting, hooking and reeling. All of which are considered fishing so if it was illegal for the adult to fish, it would be a pretty long day with the kiddos.
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Post by rusty on Feb 26, 2023 8:16:07 GMT -5
You have to allow the adult to fish as very young kids often need help casting, hooking and reeling. All of which are considered fishing so if it was illegal for the adult to fish, it would be a pretty long day with the kiddos. And none of that requires the "mentor" to be using a rod of his own. The rule allowing adults to fish is so that those who are too selfish to take a kid if they don't see something in it for themselves might take a kid. And the first Crack a a stream full of stocked fish that have never seen a hook is big bonus for some. Maybe that's a good enough reason, but I think it's just another sign of the times. And the adults using live bait are certain to kill a ton of trout even though they cannot keep any fish. I know a couple kids under 16 that are pretty good with a fly rod. I wonder if either of them needs a mentor? |
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Post by Loggy on Feb 26, 2023 8:29:00 GMT -5
I know whenever taking my grandkids fishing or crabbing I do not carry a rod or operate the traps or tend handlines. It's 100% their ballgame & then some!! No room for Pap in the line-up!! lol I have zero desire to nor never once thought it was a "long day" as Ridge referred to.  |
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Post by ridgecommander on Feb 27, 2023 7:55:24 GMT -5
And the first Crack a a stream full of stocked fish that have never seen a hook is big bonus for some. Anybody that wants "first crack" should take a kid fishing instead of complaining about it. |
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Post by rusty on Feb 27, 2023 10:47:08 GMT -5
The idea behind the youth day is supposed to be to teach a kid to fish instead of giving adults that first crack at catching the trout. I believe mentors were not allowed to fish the first year or two of the program. Did that keep too many mentors from taking a kid?
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Post by ridgecommander on Feb 27, 2023 12:06:39 GMT -5
The idea behind the youth day is supposed to be to teach a kid to fish instead of giving adults that first crack at catching the trout. Actually the idea behind it was an opportunity to get kids and fishing families fishing together prior to the madness of opening day where trying to do that can be a struggle with a bunch of often times ignorant adults cursing the kids for snags and crossing their lines. |
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Post by dougl on Feb 27, 2023 12:40:58 GMT -5
I took my son a few times when he was a MY.We never saw a soul unless you drove past one of the youth sections.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 20, 2023 12:49:38 GMT -5
Getting close. Have to buy my fishing license yet and will probably pick up the second gobbler tag at the same time. I will probably take a walk this Saturday to see how the kiddos are making out where I plan to fish the opener.
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Post by bushmaster on Mar 20, 2023 14:14:53 GMT -5
We stocked 2 lakes at my club Saturday. Kids did all the work. They will have first crack at them this Saturday. 2 tagged fish for prizes. Complimentary burgers and dogs as well Adults get there chance on state opener. I might even fish opener, it's been years.
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Post by fleroo on Mar 21, 2023 9:22:12 GMT -5
PFBC Execs have to take a ride to WV and speak with the WVDNR Execs on how to effectively run fish hatcheries. WV stocks their heavily used waters 15 times per year, Jan thru May. Not an exaggeration. They have to face the same cost issues, and permitting issues that PA faces ? Effluent discharge, etc... WV seems to have things nailed down in that regard.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 21, 2023 19:31:31 GMT -5
PFBC Execs have to take a ride to WV and speak with the WVDNR Execs on how to effectively run fish hatcheries. WV stocks their heavily used waters 15 times per year, Jan thru May. Not an exaggeration. They have to face the same cost issues, and permitting issues that PA faces ? Effluent discharge, etc... WV seems to have things nailed down in that regard. Agreed. There is not the opening day chaos like we have here in Pa, the fishing is great over a longer period of time and the fish are often of better quality. One of my good trout spots is actually in Pa but the fish are WV stocked. The stream is not stocked in Pa, but it is at the WV line so I fish it in March through June. I have to release though until our opener. |
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Post by fleroo on Mar 22, 2023 9:13:28 GMT -5
WV General license is $18, and a Trout Stamp is an added $10. Pretty much on par with PA ? WV has ancillary permits for Conservation Stamp, National Forest Stamp, IF you want to fish in a NF, etc...
I don't know about now, but PA was #7 in fishing license sales in the nation a few years ago. WV wasn't in the Top 10, but not sure what their rank was. Sooooo, something seems amiss when comparing Trout rearing, and Trout stocking between the two states ? Probably all boils down to legislative bullsh*t. I dunno.
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Post by rusty on Mar 22, 2023 19:01:21 GMT -5
My license was $43.94 with the trout/Erie combo and I haven't killed a trout in a long time. Still, it's some of the best money I spend each year.
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Post by cspot on Mar 22, 2023 19:44:06 GMT -5
WV General license is $18, and a Trout Stamp is an added $10. Pretty much on par with PA ? WV has ancillary permits for Conservation Stamp, National Forest Stamp, IF you want to fish in a NF, etc... I don't know about now, but PA was #7 in fishing license sales in the nation a few years ago. WV wasn't in the Top 10, but not sure what their rank was. Sooooo, something seems amiss when comparing Trout rearing, and Trout stocking between the two states ? Probably all boils down to legislative bullsh*t. I dunno. In WV you have to buy a conservation stamp ($5 for residents). |
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Post by Loggy on Mar 23, 2023 6:34:54 GMT -5
WVA only sells around 70-80 thousand fishing licenses annually compared to PA's 8-900 thousand range but WVA's population is only 2 mil compared to PA's 13 mil.
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Post by fleroo on Mar 23, 2023 9:08:28 GMT -5
Per this link, PA was a hair shy of selling 1 Million fishing licenses in 2021. PA was 4th amongst "non-coastal" states. Adding to that, the 3 non-coastal states ahead of PA are Minnesota with it's superior lake fishing for 'Eyes, Wisconsin and Michigan, which of course have large "Great Lakes" coast areas. So PA basically is doing damn well with with having just a sliver of Erie coast ? PA's bread-n-butter are TROUT. Soooo, with WV's comparative meager license sales, how do they pull off such a robust Trout Stocking schedule every year ? Sum-Ting-Wong. You would think PA would beg, borrow, and steal to upgrade hatchery infrastructure in order to service what drives their primary license sales.... and I'm including Steelhead in that mix. www.statista.com/statistics/687993/fishing-license-holders-by-us-state/#:~:text=This%20statistic%20shows%20the%20number,fishing%20license%20holders%20in%202021. |
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