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Post by moosemike on Nov 15, 2022 10:55:07 GMT -5
I mean it's low participation now compared to how it used to be. They have so many Bear seasons that run concurrent with deer now that Bear has been reduced to a target of opportunity for most hunters. Now all it does is alert the deer to hunting season upstate and where they are in Bear season always seems to be different than where they are in deer season because they're tipped off
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Post by ridgecommander on Nov 15, 2022 10:57:18 GMT -5
I don't hunt bear in Pa but our season structures are a hot mess!
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Post by dougl on Nov 15, 2022 12:57:40 GMT -5
Our season is set so that the majority of sows with cubs are denned.If you consider protecting the resource a hot mess,I'm not sure what to say.
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Post by dougl on Nov 15, 2022 12:58:25 GMT -5
The camps around here are full during bear season and empty during deer season.
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Post by Dutch on Nov 15, 2022 13:15:09 GMT -5
The last PGC meeting I was at few years ago, Ternett said they were concerned about the number of females being killed in the early season.
So far, no change in season structure. Population estimate has come down the last few years. No complaints about that.
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Post by ridgecommander on Nov 15, 2022 13:23:42 GMT -5
Our season is set so that the majority of sows with cubs are denned.If you consider protecting the resource a hot mess,I'm not sure what to say. Nah. Nothing of the sort. I said the "season structures" were a hot mess, not the timing of the seasons. Maybe you missed that part?
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Post by bushmaster on Nov 15, 2022 14:00:04 GMT -5
Bad season structure or not. I'll be freezing my Tookis off on the side of a mountain Saturday.
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Post by Loggy on Nov 15, 2022 15:04:47 GMT -5
Interesting point to raise! It seems the current Bear Season structure is meeting the PGC's resource management goals. With the continual decline of hunters.... likely being an underlying reason for the tack on supplemntal seasons to help meet harvest goals? Not being a bear biologist...that's just a guess. Camps in my area do have more bear vs deer hunters but the occupancy(Regular Bear Season) is still well below back when we just had the couple days before Thanksgiving Season.
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Post by dougl on Nov 15, 2022 15:15:51 GMT -5
Our season is set so that the majority of sows with cubs are denned.If you consider protecting the resource a hot mess,I'm not sure what to say. Nah. Nothing of the sort. I said the "season structures" were a hot mess, not the timing of the seasons. Maybe you missed that part? elaborate please.What's a mess?
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Post by ridgecommander on Nov 15, 2022 15:42:04 GMT -5
elaborate please.What's a mess? Does it need to be this convoluted? We went from a 3 day bear season not that long ago to this mess. BLACK BEAR - FIREARMS STATEWIDE: Nov. 19; Sunday, Nov. 20; and Nov. 21-22. Only 1 bear may be taken during the license year. EXTENDED FIREARMS: (WMUs 1B, 2C, 3A, 3B, 3C, 3D, 4A, 4B, 4C, 4D, 4E and 5A): Nov. 26, Sunday, Nov. 27, Nov. 28-Dec. 3. (WMUs 2B, 5B, 5C and 5D): Nov. 26, Sunday, Nov. 27, Nov. 28-Dec. 10. Only 1 bear may be taken during the license year. BLACK BEAR, MUZZLELOADER (Statewide) Oct. 15-22. Only 1 bear may be taken during the license year. BLACK BEAR, SPECIAL FIREARMS (Statewide) Oct. 20-22. Only Junior and Senior license holders, active duty military and disabled persons' permit holders. Arms and ammunition permitted during the regular firearms bear season can be used. Only 1 bear may be taken during the license year. BLACK BEAR - ARCHERY (WMUs 2B, 5C and 5D): Sept. 17-Nov. 12; Sunday, Nov. 13; Nov. 14-19; Sunday, Nov. 20 and Nov. 21-25. (WMU 5B): Oct. 1-Nov. 12; Sunday, Nov. 13; and Nov. 14-18. (WMUs 1A, 1B, 2A, 2C, 2D, 2E, 2F, 2G, 2H, 3A, 3B, 3C, 3D, 4A, 4B, 4C, 4D, 4E and 5A): Oct. 15-Nov. 5. Only 1 bear may be taken during the license year.
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Post by Dutch on Nov 15, 2022 16:34:03 GMT -5
BLACK BEAR, SPECIAL FIREARMS (Statewide) Oct. 20-22.
Only Junior and Senior license holders, active duty military and disabled persons' permit holders. Arms and ammunition permitted during the regular firearms bear season can be used.
And they left out mentored hunters in this, yet they are allowed to hunt bears.
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Post by dougl on Nov 15, 2022 16:45:14 GMT -5
Sorry,I see additional opportunities that are easily read in the digest.I don't see any kind of mess.
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Post by ridgecommander on Nov 15, 2022 16:59:11 GMT -5
Sorry,I see additional opportunities that are easily read in the digest.I don't see any kind of mess. I am all for opportunities but lets streamline the seasons a bit.
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Post by rs on Nov 15, 2022 17:15:27 GMT -5
I think that the historical rifle three day bear season should be the only bear season in 2G and it should go back to starting on the Monday before Thanksgiving.
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Post by Loggy on Nov 15, 2022 19:28:37 GMT -5
I think that the historical rifle three day bear season should be the only bear season in 2G and it should go back to starting on the Monday before Thanksgiving. I would certainly support that if it would meet the PGC's goal of maintaining a healthy resource.
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Post by dougl on Nov 16, 2022 9:54:32 GMT -5
Sorry Gene but I've never seen anyone bitch about the seasons like you do.The regs really aren't hard to figure out.Back in 1980 when I started hunting,archery was four weeks long and if you didn't kill your buck by 9:00am on opening day of rifle,you stood a 90% chance of not getting one.I got lucky that year and killed a 4" spike at 8:00am.I was lucky because my doe tag was rejected that year.The chance of killing a bear was slim at best.Back then in Wyoming country,it was a good year if a dozen were killed.This year they already killed 25 in the early season.I don't get a lot of time to hunt.I'm strictly a weekend warrior and take no vacation days at all.We've had a decent year this year.My son and I both killed bucks that would have been mounted 20 years ago,along with a handful of doe and a 400lb bear that would easily make the Pa record books,if one were into those things.The bear was killed in a special season,not available back then along with 50 others in our county.We both still have a pocket for of tags that we plan to use throughout the next 8 weeks.Yes,it is a cluster mess trying to figure all of this out lol.It sounds like another email to your legislator is in order.
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Post by ridgecommander on Nov 16, 2022 10:28:56 GMT -5
Sorry Gene but I've never seen anyone bitch about the seasons like you do. No need to be sorry. You have your thoughts and I have mine. Not sure what the size of the bucks or the special youth bear season has to do with. I support both our deer management program and the youth bear season. Me thinks it is a comprehension problem on your part about my feelings that our bear seasons could be streamlined without lessening opportunity. Back when the commissioners actually talked to hunters, I had many conversations with some of them and they agreed about the need to streamline some regs and seasons. Some were done, others were not.
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Post by dougl on Nov 16, 2022 10:41:37 GMT -5
How can it be a comprehension problem when you never said how it should be streamlined?Our current season structures are hardly hard to understand.What they have to do with it is the fact that the hunting and opportunities have never been better.God forbid they change a reg from 1970.
I can honestly say,I've never had the desire to have a single conversation with a commissioner,let alone many.
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Post by ridgecommander on Nov 16, 2022 11:22:33 GMT -5
I can honestly say,I've never had the desire to have a single conversation with a commissioner,let alone many. And that is why we see some things differently. And I have sad three times know I support the additional opportunities but that has nothing to do with streamlining the regs or season structures. Take orange for example. Finally after decades, archers do not have to wear orange if hunting during an archery season. A good example of streamlining regs. Two weeks concurrent deer. A good example of streamlining seasons structures. No opportunities taken away but more concise.
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Post by dougl on Nov 16, 2022 11:47:17 GMT -5
So how do you streamline the bear season any better without impacting the resource in a negative way?
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Post by bushmaster on Nov 16, 2022 12:07:46 GMT -5
This isn't like a Bear for Dummies paperback. Just read Regulations and go hunting. It's no brainer.
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Post by davet on Nov 16, 2022 12:10:05 GMT -5
Take proper firearm. Go to woods. Stand near thick stuff. Shoot bear should you see one.
Study this….Testing starts at 9:00 pm
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Post by dougl on Nov 16, 2022 12:36:42 GMT -5
All I can say is,thank God it's not a public draw for bears.Gene would really be worked up.As time goes on,Hunters will have and more opportunities.For those who stick it out and read the digest,it's a good thing.
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Post by ridgecommander on Nov 16, 2022 13:02:29 GMT -5
So how do you streamline the bear season any better without impacting the resource in a negative way? I am not a biologist. If I were a commissioner I would ask them to present me some options that would protect the resource but streamline the current season structures.
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Post by dougl on Nov 16, 2022 13:35:54 GMT -5
LOL.I have a reading comprehension problem?It's a hot mess and we have too many bears but you have no solutions,don't hunt bear in Pa and have probably never even seen a bear in Pa.
Let's ask the biologists to recommend some solutions for a problem that doesn't exist lol.I hope you get that commissioner job.
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