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Post by galthatfishes on Mar 4, 2013 17:09:54 GMT -5
Here are some of the transfer records from Rutters (the Index Farm). Notice, they are NOT in order and go back and forth. Notice the escaped deer in Indiana State and the ones sold to LA and then I believe to Mississippi from LA are on here. All escaped. Notice two deer farmers on this list from Blair County. In specific; in FREEDOM TOWNSHIP where the two CWD POSITIVE "FREE RANGE" deer were killed. Escapees? My source at Ag says YES. One more file to come     |
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Post by galthatfishes on Mar 4, 2013 17:15:27 GMT -5
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Post by galthatfishes on Mar 4, 2013 17:24:12 GMT -5
Notice the other counties where farmers were released fom the Quarantine list. Where are THOSE deer?
This could spread across the state, and fast.
PGC spent 500K on CWD last year. Ag? 100,000. Ag didn't ask for additional appropriations from the general fund. So, it looks like the hunter bill could get to 1.5 million; or $2 from every single general back tag. God help us if the deer in Emporium area (and others released from quarantine) "escaped".
Thats where our elk are!
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Post by galthatfishes on Mar 4, 2013 17:46:25 GMT -5
CWD MAP  Blair and Bedford Co. Notice how far away they are? Now; compare the locations to the farms REMOVED from Quarantine in the link 2 posts (of mine) up from this. 1+1 generally = 2 folks. Add em up. |
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Post by Dutch on Mar 4, 2013 20:14:54 GMT -5
So, infected deer were killed within a very reasonable distance from 3 deer farms where deer, mysteriously, went missing.
Ok, I think I understand this, PERFECTLY.
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Post by galthatfishes on Mar 4, 2013 20:34:43 GMT -5
You are getting the picture. I overheard another conversation today too. Something about deer escaping in the fall or over winter and how conservation officers killed every one that they could find in Blair or Bedford Co. They were around the corner from me by the bathrooms and I didn't want to appear to be listening, even tho I was- but not on purpose at first. That just caught my attention and I had to see what else they would say. I didn't look around the corner to see who it was; but one of the guys from Ag and another from game were the only two to come back around that corner for the next 25 or so minutes.
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Post by galthatfishes on Mar 5, 2013 14:08:17 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2013 14:57:04 GMT -5
Well if it only affects older deer wouldn't that make no sense in getting the deer to older ages if there just going to succumb to cwd anyway?
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Post by galthatfishes on Mar 5, 2013 16:04:54 GMT -5
It effects all age classes Bryan. From infants on up- but it RARELY EXPRESSES itself until the final stages-
Simply, most deer don't die from it at 3, 4 and 5 years of age typically. They die from it older; and THAT is when you see the outward signs. Same as a cancer in a human. When a person is first diagnosed; they may not show any outward signs. As the cancer progresses; the person may drop some serious weight; become pasty looking, etc. It takes 1-5 years for symptoms to manifest- Same with this.
What will affect this more than anything is yearling buck dispersal. They can go up to 40 miles away to establish a new home range. Older deer may run a 6 mile pattern during the rut; but thats it- thats their circle.
Allowing antler restrictions to remain in place will not have an adverse effect.
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Post by Dutch on Mar 5, 2013 16:56:35 GMT -5
Actually, we should kill all button bucks, then there will be no dispersal.  |
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Post by galthatfishes on Mar 5, 2013 17:17:18 GMT -5
25% of our antlerless harvest are already BB fawn; and 25% doe fawn.  |
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Post by chuck on Mar 5, 2013 20:53:43 GMT -5
Here is Gary's report from the news conference: The PGC hosted a press conference at Headquarters on Monday, March 4th concerning the recently confirmed cases of CWD in Blair County, Freedom and Frankstown Townships and Bedford County, South Woodbury Township. A doe in Freedom Township, a buck in Frankstown Township and a buck in South Woodbury Township tested positive for CWD. These deer were harvested during the 2012 Fall Season. The successful hunters indicated that all three (3) animals appeared to be healthy and acted in a normal manner. Carl G. Roe, Executive Director; Calvin W. DuBrock, Director-Wildlife Management; Bradley J. Myers, Director-SC Region represented the PGC and Deputy Secretary Matthew Meals; Dr. Craig Shultz, Director-Animal Health and Diagnostic Services represented the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture (PDA). All individuals listed for PGC and PDA spoke at the press conference. The audience was reminded that these cases were the first detected in Pennsylvania’s free-ranging whitetail population. CWD has previously been discovered in the wild in Maryland and West Virginia to the south. The Maryland location is approximately 20 miles south of Bedford, Pennsylvania. Area deer farm operations might also be a contributing factor in the spread of CWD. However, no direct connection was indicated or even suggested that these recent findings were related to deer raised in captivity. Approximately 43,000 deer have been tested by PGC since efforts began to check for CWD in the free-ranging herd after CWD was first confirmed in close proximity to the Commonwealth. The collecting and processing of samples is expensive and only hunting license dollars are being used to fund the monitoring. Estimates indicate that PGC has been budgeting $200,000.00 - $250,000.00 per year for this program. Until recently, a subsidy of about $70,000.00 was being provided by the federal government to assist with expenses. Approximately $400,000.00 was expended in 2012 with the establishment of the “Disease Management Area” (DMA) in Adams and York Counties by the PGC. In the 2012 Fall Season 5,034 deer were tested statewide by the PGC. Testing was reported as 2,089 deer from the DMA and 2,945 deer from the remainder of the state. During this same period 1,625 deer were tested from Blair and Bedford Counties resulting in the three (3) positive results. Discussions will continue among the members of the Inter-Agency CWD Task Force to implement reasonable precautions to minimize the impact on both the free-roaming herd and deer farms. It is almost a certainty that a second DMA will be established by the PGC and include parts of Blair and Bedford Counties before the next deer hunting season. The PGC has been commenting for some period that CWD would eventually be found in the wild deer population. A public meeting is currently being planned by the PGC for Bedford or Blair County on or about 20 March 2013. REFERENCES: PGC / PDA www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=514&objID=1253813&mode=2 www.agriculture.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/gateway/PTARGS_0_2_24476_10297_0_43/AgWebsite/Page.aspx?name=Chronic-Wasting-Disease-Information&navid=0&parentnavid=0&pageid=138& |
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Post by stan on Mar 5, 2013 22:36:41 GMT -5
The picture of the map on page one - from the breifing Monday?
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Post by galthatfishes on Mar 5, 2013 22:45:41 GMT -5
The picture of the map on page one - from the breifing Monday? Yes. |
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Post by melody on Mar 5, 2013 22:57:58 GMT -5
House and Senate Appropriations Budget hearings with Ag today, and this is the only CWD related comments in the reports:
Sen. Baker asked for an update on the safety of the animal population, particularly with Chronic Wasting Disease. Sec. Greig said the disease first showed up with the captive deer herd and noted there was a 48-hour response by the department to quarantine the farm and test the rest of the herd. He said the department has done the best it could in the captive herd, but noted the Game Commission recently found the disease
in the wild herd. He stated the department is committed to working with the commission on this.
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Post by galthatfishes on Mar 6, 2013 7:17:04 GMT -5
OMG. No asking about an additional Appropriation? I think I'll give the good Senator a call. Especially since she represents one of the counties where a few "deer farms" were removed from the list because of Ag's faulty records- JUST LIKE the ones in Blair and Bedford County where deer were killed in the SAME TOWNSHIPS as the farms removed from the Quarantine list.
There were several removed from the list in her district. No more deer there? WHERE DID THEY GO?
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Post by stan on Mar 6, 2013 14:58:42 GMT -5
It amazes me with the save the deer herd hysteria from those opposed to the deer program that no one in the legislature has had a hearing on the issue.
PDA has a lot to answer to and for in this. As of late last night, PDA had not updated there well hidden CWD page with the news of the new outbreak.
Do you know if the Monday meeting was video taped and available for viewing on the live stream site? Have to check...
The larger point is, the legislature has a responsibility to investigate the disease outbreak and response. The potential damage to a large economic source of income is at stake, as well as a historic and traditional form of recreation at many levels.
The silence by the legislature on the issue is glaring in comparison to the anti deer program rants many have engaged on over the last decade. But on this, something that responsibility lies within their grasp to actually make a difference on, in concert with their save the deer efforts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2013 15:04:28 GMT -5
I wonder if our legiscritters are embarassed because it was them who moved jurisdiction over deer farms to Dep't of Ag? I am sure they will find a way to get the egg on their faces on to someone else's face.  |
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Post by stan on Mar 6, 2013 15:04:59 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2013 15:13:54 GMT -5
I wonder if our legiscritters are embarassed because it was them who moved jurisdiction over deer farms to Dep't of Ag? I am sure they will find a way to get the egg on their faces on to someone else's face. And then to have Ag stand up and say they *only* spent $100,000 on the CWD deer last fall and the PGC spent $500,000 last fall, this past Monday during the presser...?!  I'm sorry, but we paid for that all then, and the PGC doesn't have authority? That my friends is NOT RIGHT. |
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Post by stan on Mar 6, 2013 15:23:59 GMT -5
This is why all of us need to engage others missing the big picture anywhere we can. Discussion and drawing on the points of contrast and disagreement change minds and bring the many issues to the fore.
Discussion changes minds when presented with proof over unsubstantiated opinion.
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Post by wentzler on Mar 6, 2013 16:45:08 GMT -5
"Discussion changes minds when presented with proof over unsubstantiated opinion. " Stan, so will a 2x4..in a lot less time |
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Post by wentzler on Mar 6, 2013 16:45:57 GMT -5
that's funny. I don't care who ya are |
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Post by melody on Mar 18, 2013 19:39:32 GMT -5
Anyone going to this meeting Wed? March 5, 2013 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE WCO Barry Leonard Information & Education Supervisor 814-643-1831 GAME COMMISSION TO HOLD PUBLIC MEETING IN BLAIR COUNTY TO DISCUSS CHRONIC WASTING DISEASEHUNTINGDON - Pennsylvania Game Commission Southcentral Region Director Brad Myers has announced the agency will hold a public meeting on Chronic Wasting Disease Wednesday, March 20, beginning at 7 p.m., at the Spring Cove Middle School auditorium, 185 Spring Grove Circle, Roaring Spring, Blair County. Pennsylvania Game Commission staff will be present to provide information on the recent discovery of CWD in three hunter-harvested deer from Blair and Bedford counties, as well as the latest news on this evolving situation, and background information on CWD. Agency staff also will discuss the management challenges that go along with finding CWD in the free-ranging deer population. On March 4, Pennsylvania Game Commission Executive Director Carl G. Roe announced these were the first confirmed positive cases of CWD in free-ranging deer in Pennsylvania. The disease was first documented in early October, 2012, by the state Department of Agriculture in a captive deer on an Adams County deer farm. First discovered in Colorado in 1967, Pennsylvania is the 23rd state to have discovered CWD within their borders. CWD affects only cervids, and is fatal in deer, elk and moose. There is no evidence that CWD can be transmitted to humans, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and The World Health Organization. At the present time, there is no live test for the disease and no treatment or cure exists. The disease is caused by an abnormal protein that results in small holes to form in the animal's brain. Outward appearances would include drooping ears, the head hanging down, excessive thirst and urination, loss of fear of humans, a general disheveled appearance, but most importantly, severe loss of body mass. Since 1998, the Game Commission has gathered and submitted more than 43,000 samples from free ranging deer and elk for CWD testing. This is the first time that the disease has been detected in any of those samples. For more information from the Pennsylvania Game Commission on CWD, visit the agency's website at www.pgc.state.pa.us and click on "CWD |
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Post by galthatfishes on Mar 18, 2013 19:45:14 GMT -5
I wish I could.
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