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Post by willyp on Dec 13, 2018 3:54:30 GMT -5
When I get a chance I will pull all the shells I have loaded for this past season and store the brass in boxes marked from each different rifle. I will reload them come September or later .
I had a case of bullet weld a few years ago that taught me it is better to do this than count on them shooting the same next season !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 5:56:46 GMT -5
willyp, I never do this nor heard anyone else doing this either. Why do you feel this is needed? I have shot bullets re-loaded 10-15yrs ago without issue. I believe that some WWII 30-06 ammo is still good today. Curious to know your reasons.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 6:09:41 GMT -5
I agree with 1st Light. I have never had a problem with either handloads or factory loads. I would be interested to see more about this "welding" thing. When I inherited the .303 Savage from my father in law, some old factory loads came along with it. I suspect they may have been as much as 50 years old. I shot them for target practice and did not have a problem.
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Post by bushmaster on Dec 13, 2018 6:39:28 GMT -5
No problems with my reloads years later. I've never done this either.
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Post by Dutch on Dec 13, 2018 8:16:21 GMT -5
20 year old reloads, no problems
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Post by Muab Dib on Dec 13, 2018 9:21:45 GMT -5
20 year old reloads, no problems Same here; 18 year old loads for my 7x64 Brenneke and they're just as good this year as they were the day I loaded them. Pulling your bullets would be a waste of time, energy, and components in my opinion. MUAB |
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Post by davet on Dec 13, 2018 9:24:48 GMT -5
I agree. I've got an assortment of reloads in my loading area. Some just a few weeks old......some many years old. They all shoot quite well.
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Post by willyp on Dec 13, 2018 10:08:33 GMT -5
Well guys it happened to me in 2012. I had my Rem.700 -308 out in buck season. A buck came out and I shoot and seen the dirt fly under his body. Loaded another round because it didn't run just hopped a couple of steps. It turned and came up the hill towards me and I fired again . It was maybe 80 yards and I seen sticks and limbs flying as I shot . Next shot he was about 50 yards and again a clean miss ? The turned and jumped into the woods ! No snow but we tried to see if it was hit but no blood or hair.
At the time my loads were 2 or 3 years old. I had shot them and were 1 to 1 1/2 inch grouping when loaded and stored !
I went home and started to check out the ones I had left. I tried to pull the bullets with a hammer puller and they would not come out of the cases !
Next I put my bullets seating die in the press to try to push them to see how tight they were. These were very hard to move even a little and they would sort of go "POP".
It was not only me but I had looked it up and it came out as what they were calling cold welding of the bullets to the cases?
What could have caused it I don't know but it happened and the rounds shot very crazy !
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Post by dennyf on Dec 13, 2018 10:22:48 GMT -5
I have ammo that's older than anyone here, 'cept maybe for George? Never any issues.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Dec 13, 2018 10:24:13 GMT -5
willy,Is there a large fluctuation in temperature where you store your ammo. Say like in a garage where it gets very cold in the winter and very hot in the summer. Cold welding can take place sometimes in this type of environment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 10:35:51 GMT -5
I have ammo that's older than anyone here, 'cept maybe for George? Never any issues. Now that would be freakin' old ammo! |
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Post by dougell on Dec 13, 2018 10:46:39 GMT -5
I never had that happen but I did have the necks on a bunch of 300wsm start to split after they were sitting for a couple of years.They were reloaded probably 8 times and the necks were not split when I reloaded them.
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Post by turkeykiller on Dec 13, 2018 10:48:57 GMT -5
Willyp, I noticed in your post that they shot good before your problem occured, but you didnt say you tried them from a bench after the problem. Im not pickin on ya, but could you have just missed?
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Post by turkeykiller on Dec 13, 2018 10:49:52 GMT -5
I never had that happen but I did have the necks on a bunch of 300wsm start to split after they were sitting for a couple of years.They were reloaded probably 8 times and the necks were not split when I reloaded them. 8 times loaded is really pushin it. |
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Post by dougell on Dec 13, 2018 11:17:13 GMT -5
I never had that happen but I did have the necks on a bunch of 300wsm start to split after they were sitting for a couple of years.They were reloaded probably 8 times and the necks were not split when I reloaded them. 8 times loaded is really pushin it. Apparently so lol. |
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Post by dennyf on Dec 13, 2018 11:36:14 GMT -5
Depends on how hot they were loaded, how much the brass was "worked" in reloading etc. I got 12 to 15 "recycles" from Federal 22-250 cases years ago. When I bought the rifle, got five boxes of ammo and reloaded that brass for years. Only neck sized them, never maxed out the powder charge and kept them trimmed to length.
Since I had more than one 25-06 and 22-250, the brass is kept separate for each rifle. Once it's fire formed for a chamber, it only gets used in that rifle and mostly just neck sized for some time. Maybe about the fourth reload, it gets lightly bumped to the shoulder.
Most of my 25-06 brass has seen over a half dozen reloads, some more than that. Only brass I've ever had issues with, is 32 Special. They and 30-30s, are thin and don't lend themselves well to repeated reloading
Once threw away about half of a buddy's 243 brass for split necks, or close to it. He never trimmed them, full length resized, mixed them between three different rifles and wasn't as fussy as I am, about cleaning/chamfering the insides of the case necks before reloading.
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Post by davet on Dec 13, 2018 14:12:50 GMT -5
My 308 load is with Varget powder. Always found it accurate shooting from any rifle and Varget is not "temperature sensitive".
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Post by willyp on Dec 13, 2018 16:25:07 GMT -5
turkeykila.
They shot really well when I loaded them and the ones that missed were from a loading 2 years before.[308 WIN.]
I did not try shooting the ones that were left I just pulled them apart ?[Which was a tough thing to do ?]
The next Saturday at the same spot I shot a nice buck at 175 yards off of a stump rest.I changed guns to my 30-06
I can't say if the bullet or the cases or maybe the powder caused it but they were really solid in the cases !
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Post by turkeykiller on Dec 13, 2018 16:42:01 GMT -5
Ok, just a thought. I noticed you changed guns also. Maybe the scope got bumped on the other one. I probably would have shot the gun off a bench before pullin all the bullets.
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Post by buzz on Dec 13, 2018 20:14:51 GMT -5
I never had that happen but I did have the necks on a bunch of 300wsm start to split after they were sitting for a couple of years.They were reloaded probably 8 times and the necks were not split when I reloaded them. Third trip through my 300wsm splits em, but it's loaded on the hot side . |
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Post by buzz on Dec 13, 2018 20:18:18 GMT -5
Got to agree with TK on shooting it off a bench before pulling bullets. I have been reloading for 35 years, and never had any issue like described.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 22:32:54 GMT -5
Cold welding is a thing and it does affect accuracy. I always left my cases dirty inside to minimize the chances of it happening. You don't have to disassemble anything however. All you do to learn if a batch has cold welded is to set your seating die to seat one bullet slightly deeper than it currently is. If it has cold welded you'll hear an audible pop.
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Post by willyp on Dec 14, 2018 6:12:59 GMT -5
What is so hard for most of you folks to pull them down and redo them ?
I enjoy my loading bench and have no problem redoing them and I am self assured they are the way I want them to function ?
Moosemike these had the pop as you say and to me the little it takes to push them down into the case is or may be just enough to throw them off from the accurate loads they began as !
I never load any hot loads either .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 10:06:18 GMT -5
Some folks run a little case lube inside the necks to avoid cold welding.
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Post by turkeykiller on Dec 14, 2018 11:51:37 GMT -5
Well that just goes to show ya, ya learn somethin new everyday. The good thing is I now have a new explanation for my previous and future misses.
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