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Post by bushmaster on Dec 21, 2017 17:22:12 GMT -5
Many years ago while flintlock hunting I pulled up on a doe and fired at 20 yards. Well I missed. Somehow I had managed to load 20 grains of powder behind my roundball. I could literally see the ball come out of my rifle and fall short of the doe. It was comical to say the least.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Dec 21, 2017 17:57:17 GMT -5
For those of you that always seem to shoot low. Most shooters will mount their rife and come down on the target, instead try starting low and coming up on the target, I know it has helped me. I'm not near as good as I once was, but then I'm no longer shooting a local match every Sunday, along with practice a couple times each week. It's not a firearm you can pull out of the gun cabinet once each yea,r and expect to be proficient with, after a shot or two.
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Post by Loggy on Dec 21, 2017 19:43:45 GMT -5
Good pointers there CoureurDeBois!!
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Post by Loggy on Dec 21, 2017 19:45:11 GMT -5
Many years ago while flintlock hunting I pulled up on a doe and fired at 20 yards. Well I missed. Somehow I had managed to load 20 grains of powder behind my roundball. I could literally see the ball come out of my rifle and fall short of the doe. It was comical to say the least. Be a good one to see on video Bushy!!
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Post by davet on Dec 21, 2017 21:13:04 GMT -5
I took a shot at a doe when she was directly facing me. She took off like a shot....tail up like nothing hit her. I knew I didn't miss and when I walked to the spot there was all white hair on the ground...no blood. I had teeny tiny blood spots for about 30 yards. But when that doe took off, it was tail up and big leaps. Usually when you hit 'em it's tail down and just a scurry run. Me and my buddy figured the PRB hit the chest bone, and went right off the bone and into the dirt. The next year I went to conicals.
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Post by Loggy on Dec 21, 2017 21:21:41 GMT -5
I took a shot at a doe when she was directly facing me. She took off like a shot....tail up like nothing hit her. I knew I didn't miss and when I walked to the spot there was all white hair on the ground...no blood. I had teeny tiny blood spots for about 30 yards. But when that doe took off, it was tail up and big leaps. Usually when you hit 'em it's tail down and just a scurry run. Me and my buddy figured the PRB hit the chest bone, and went right off the bone and into the dirt. The next year I went to conicals. Dave...curious on distance & load?? With 80 grains or more 2fg within 50 yards that roundball should of exited out that does ass on a square chest hit.. Possible you pulled and slightly grazed chest?
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Post by davet on Dec 21, 2017 21:28:05 GMT -5
I took a shot at a doe when she was directly facing me. She took off like a shot....tail up like nothing hit her. I knew I didn't miss and when I walked to the spot there was all white hair on the ground...no blood. I had teeny tiny blood spots for about 30 yards. But when that doe took off, it was tail up and big leaps. Usually when you hit 'em it's tail down and just a scurry run. Me and my buddy figured the PRB hit the chest bone, and went right off the bone and into the dirt. The next year I went to conicals. Dave...curious on distance & load?? With 80 grains or more 2fg within 50 yards that roundball should of exited out that does ass on a square chest hit.. Possible you pulled and slightly grazed chest? Loggy....at that point in time, I was shooting a PRB from my T\C factory barrel. The only consistent load I got from that barrel was using 60gr of FF in the pipe. Anything more and it was a pretty wild shotgun pattern. It was a year or two after that I installed my Green Mt. barrel and now I use 100gr FF under a 240\245gr conical. As I said she was only about 30 yards from me. She just came up from over the edge of a hill. We did our very best to track her, but there was no snow....just mud, and many well used deer trails on that hillside. OTOH.....I could have "dropped" when taking the shot. But I was in a sitting position with the rifle on my knee. Still.....stuff happens!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 21:43:17 GMT -5
My stepson shot one facing him with a .50 roundball. We never found blood or the deer. know the shot was under 50 yards.
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Post by Dutch on Dec 22, 2017 7:34:17 GMT -5
Years ago, a buddy shot a doe in the neck with a PRB. It never exited. Strange
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Post by Loggy on Dec 22, 2017 7:35:07 GMT -5
Understand whut you're sayin Dutch, Mike & Dave...there are a lot of unknowns when you don't recover a hit deer. Same as archery hits. I have killed enuff with round balls to know whut they are capable of doing. Have also heard of many bad reports on Powerbelts but my experience with the 348 grain AT out of a 1-28 fast twist bbl has been outstanding. I know use Barnes 290 grain saboted .451 290 grain Spit-Fire T-EZ as I feel they are even a step up from the Powerbelt in range/field performance due to bullet construction.. Bottomline...I am thoroughly convinced that the more preseason shooting you do with your smoker...the less bad experiences you will have in the chase.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 10:26:10 GMT -5
Shoot a deer that is quartering to you in the shoulder with a rifle 9 chances out of 10 the bullet isn't coming out the other side. It's a deadly shot though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 10:41:17 GMT -5
Shoot a deer that is quartering to you in the shoulder with a rifle 9 chances out of 10 the bullet isn't coming out the other side. It's a deadly shot though. You're using the wrong rifle.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 15:42:11 GMT -5
Shoot a deer that is quartering to you in the shoulder with a rifle 9 chances out of 10 the bullet isn't coming out the other side. It's a deadly shot though. You're using the wrong rifle. 3006 180gr bullet, if that shoulder can stop a bullet I'm sure it will stop a round ball.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 18:21:38 GMT -5
Agreed. But it won't stop my 45-70.
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Post by bushmaster on Dec 22, 2017 18:50:42 GMT -5
Agreed. But it won't stop my 45-70. Very True!
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Post by Loggy on Dec 23, 2017 8:17:49 GMT -5
Shoot a deer that is quartering to you in the shoulder with a rifle 9 chances out of 10 the bullet isn't coming out the other side. It's a deadly shot though. I assume you're talking a typical 80-90 lb PA whitetail? I killed a number of deer(all angles) with a 30-06 165 grain bonded bullet and always had complete penetration. Shots were inside 100 yards. Mebbie with a soft nonbonded bullet I can see whut you're sayin.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2017 8:48:58 GMT -5
Shoot a deer that is quartering to you in the shoulder with a rifle 9 chances out of 10 the bullet isn't coming out the other side. It's a deadly shot though. I assume you're talking a typical 80-90 lb PA whitetail? I killed a number of deer(all angles) with a 30-06 165 grain bonded bullet and always had complete penetration. Shots were inside 100 yards. Mebbie with a soft nonbonded bullet I can see whut you're sayin. I took this shot 2 years in a row with my 06 on two doe and the bullet got stopped on the opposite shoulder. Now never shot with a round ball this way, so I could be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2017 9:55:13 GMT -5
You're not wrong about the roundball. But if a 50 caliber muzzleloader is loaded with a heavy conical it ain't stopping.
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Post by Loggy on Dec 23, 2017 10:52:01 GMT -5
Heaviest conicals I shot out of a muzzleloader are the 495 grain No Excuses cast conicals out of my White Super 91 .504 cal custom. They hit like a freight train and then some! There ain't no stoppin them either!
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Post by 3212 on Dec 23, 2017 12:40:59 GMT -5
I can't say for sure but I think my problem is with the open sights.I don't get the bead down in the notch and shoot high every time.50 years of scope use has spoiled me.
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Post by Dutch on Dec 23, 2017 12:43:04 GMT -5
I can't say for sure but I think my problem is with the open sights.I don't get the bead down in the notch and shoot high every time.50 years of scope use has spoiled me. When I could, I switched to a fiber optic sight in front and a V-peep, which did wonders. Honestly tho, I have not shot my flinter since 2011, when I killed a doe, so, not sure with my eyesight if I can focus on both sights anymore. LOL
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Post by Dutch on Dec 23, 2017 12:44:34 GMT -5
Heaviest conicals I shot out of a muzzleloader are the 495 grain No Excuses cast conicals out of my White Super 91 .504 cal custom. They hit like a freight train and then some! There ain't no stoppin them either! The last deer my brother shot was with a Hornady Great Plains bullet out of the 50. It lodged against the skin on the far side, and was all but 1 inch in diameter at that point. Big, round piece of lead.
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Post by Loggy on Dec 23, 2017 12:49:59 GMT -5
I can't say for sure but I think my problem is with the open sights.I don't get the bead down in the notch and shoot high every time.50 years of scope use has spoiled me. Earlier on I had the same problem except the opposite as I was taking too fine of bead. Now when I level bead with top plane of rear sight(as below) bullet goes where it's supposed to....usually!!
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Post by bushmaster on Dec 23, 2017 13:33:40 GMT -5
I've got a buck horn on my Hatfield. I have to bury the top of front sight deep in the notch to hit accurately.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2017 15:14:09 GMT -5
I've got a buck horn on my Hatfield. I have to bury the top of front sight deep in the notch to hit accurately. They sighted open sights differently years ago, think it came from the military. This sounds like how they used to.
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