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Post by galthatfishes on Aug 31, 2015 9:59:54 GMT -5
States are getting away from lifetime licenses. Here is the reason ONE state quit selling them. Indiana's Experience with Lifetime Licenses According to McCollam, the state ended the program, which it began in 1983, because it was losing an estimated $3.6 million in annual license fees. For example, the comprehensive hunting and fishing license replaced not only annual hunting and fishing licenses, but all other yearly licenses, stamps and species-specific permits. Holders of these licenses not only avoided the annual fees in place when they bought the lifetime license, but all subsequent fee increases. According to figures McCollam provided, Indiana had 17,000 lifetime comprehensive holders, each of whom avoided a total of $114 in annual fees. He said about half the deer hunters in the state were either lifetime license holders or were exempt from annual license fees. Well that is Indiana... Lets just stick with Pa.. I f I buy a antlerless tag, migratory bird HIP, bear or bobcat tag or a trout stamp they count as a license sale for P/R funding correct?I do not believe so. PR Pays on general hunting license sales. Once a lifetime license is sold, the agency gets funding on that license for 5 years, period. If they charged $5 a year for them it would be far better for the agency and its mission; ---- and for other hunters who don't have to absorb the costs.
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Post by timberdoodle on Aug 31, 2015 12:24:59 GMT -5
Well for what a Sr. Licens Combo costs. it's 5 years of General License Pricing... Correct?
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Post by bawanajim on Aug 31, 2015 14:55:34 GMT -5
Anyone that fishes knows this year has been up and down, but if any of you can make to lake Erie, its worth the trip, these are certainly not representative of the perch you will catch, but these are four I picked out of the cooler for a quick picture.
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Post by galthatfishes on Aug 31, 2015 15:02:13 GMT -5
Well for what a Sr. Licens Combo costs. it's 5 years of General License Pricing... Correct? Yep. Resident Senior Lifetime Hunting License ($51.70): Issued to bona fide residents of Pennsylvania ages 65 and older. Sixty-four-year-olds may apply for a senior lifetime hunting license if they reach age 65 by June 30 of the current license year. Lifetime license holders apply for free renewal hunting licenses each year to receive valid harvest tags for that particular license year. Senior Resident Lifetime Combination License ($101.70): Issued to bona fide residents of Pennsylvania ages 65 and older. Sixty-four-year-olds may apply for a senior lifetime combination license if they reach age 65 by June 30 of the current license year. Combination licenses grant hunting, furtaker, archery and muzzleloader privileges. Combination licenses do not include bear, migratory game bird, special spring gobbler or antlerless deer license privileges. Lifetime license holders apply for free renewal combination licenses each year to receive valid harvest tags for that particular license year. Resident Senior Lifetime Combination Upgrade License ($51.70): Issued to current senior lifetime hunting or furtaker license holders who desire to upgrade their license privileges to the combination category (which includes hunting, furtaker, archery and muzzleloader).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 15:11:39 GMT -5
I look at these senior licenses as a sort of reward for funding the agencies for over 5o years. Nothing wrong with that.
Many gramps and grandma's are the mentors for the grand kids while the parents are making ends meet. Looking the numbers of senior licenses sold, nothing material here anyway. Some folks are just grumpy that they're not senior age and reaping these massive rewards, lol. I for one would gladly switch ages if I could....along with the aches and pains that come with these senior benefits. Just sayin' FT
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Post by dalesholder on Aug 31, 2015 15:13:24 GMT -5
Last year the trout the PFBC stocked in Lycoming and Loyalsock were soME of the smallest I have ever seen. I know most of the truckload that we put in the Sock were not legal and the rest were barely legal. I don't mind an increase but I want too results for that increase. If it weren't for our club helping with pre season and inseason stocking the trout would not be spread out at all. Most would end up at bridges and where they could pull the truck off.
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Post by bawanajim on Aug 31, 2015 15:22:34 GMT -5
I think they should ban those seniors from fishing all together, they should shuffling along the highways picking up litter and earning those government hand out checks, instead of fishing all day while the rest of us gotta work, it ain't fair I tell ya! Those old guys always get the best spots too right by the parking lots, they shouldn't be allowed to do that either, and besides that they dress funny!
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Post by redarrow on Aug 31, 2015 16:19:56 GMT -5
An increase in fishing lic, trout stamp, hunting, archery, muzzle loader, fur bearer, fisher tag, the state will be collecting a pretty big piece of change from this family of five outdoor people. We'll have to whittle our purchases down to just those we are sure each of us has plenty of time for. Add to that registrations for 5 Kayaks and two canoes and a 3,1000(woops) dollar increase in my property taxes, I may have to put off my retirement for a couple years.
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Post by timberdoodle on Aug 31, 2015 16:29:58 GMT -5
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Post by timberdoodle on Aug 31, 2015 16:31:08 GMT -5
Canoes & kayaks are NOT required to be registered. Might need a launch permit 2yr. $18 depending on where you put in.. and $31,000. INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAXES i'D PUT THE KIDS TO WORK NOW..
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Post by bawanajim on Aug 31, 2015 16:36:29 GMT -5
An increase in fishing lic, trout stamp, hunting, archery, muzzle loader, fur bearer, fisher tag, the state will be collecting a pretty big piece of change from this family of five outdoor people. We'll have to whittle our purchases down to just those we are sure each of us has plenty of time for. Add to that registrations for 5 Kayaks and two canoes and a 31000 dollar increase in my property taxes, I may have to put off my retirement for a couple years. Maybe sell off a 6-7 thousand acres of land and cut your tax bill a bit, maybe you'll have to hunt public land.
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Post by redarrow on Aug 31, 2015 16:56:56 GMT -5
Woops, $3,100 not 31,000. And the kayaks and canoes are the $9/year launch permits-not registration. Are they going to increase too?
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Post by timberdoodle on Aug 31, 2015 18:55:44 GMT -5
nah same price I just listed the two year launch permit price
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Post by redarrow on Aug 31, 2015 19:32:04 GMT -5
Yep, misspoke-permit, not registration. Most of us will still buy our licenses. The guys who will probably drop out will be those who buy the licenses and only hunt the first day of deer and fish the first day or two of trout season.
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Post by bawanajim on Aug 31, 2015 19:36:58 GMT -5
Yep, misspoke-permit, not registration. Most of us will still buy our licenses. The guys who will probably drop out will be those who buy the licenses and only hunt the first day of deer and fish the first day or two of trout season. Our youths priorities are so miss placed, those whom whine about the cost of a full year of recreation, willingly spend that much money to watch a two hour movie. Astounding!
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Post by redarrow on Aug 31, 2015 20:13:21 GMT -5
The price would have to increase greatly for me not to get my moneys worth. But do you believe the stamps should increase as much as proposed? I don't favor the amount of increase in the archery stamp, nor the furtakers. An archery stamp does not allow for any more game to be taken than a base license.
If we can wish for a change, I would love to see the seasons stay as they are and have hunters choose the method they wish to use for deer-archery or rifle, not both.
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Post by bawanajim on Aug 31, 2015 20:35:37 GMT -5
The price would have to increase greatly for me not to get my moneys worth. But do you believe the stamps should increase as much as proposed? I don't favor the amount of increase in the archery stamp, nor the furtakers. An archery stamp does not allow for any more game to be taken than a base license. If we can wish for a change, I would love to see the seasons stay as they are and have hunters choose the method they wish to use for deer-archery or rifle, not both. Oh believe me I think the whole system is a joke, I believe that there should be two licences, a junior and a regular licence, each licence should be good for one buck and one doe, one bear and two turkeys, small game being all inclusive. end the bureaucracy and cost of tags and stamps, a hunter is a hunter avoid the divisions among us and lets hunt. Additional "doe tags" could be sold as needed for ten dollars each, period. It need not be so complicated. A youth licence would cost one half a regular licence, and the regular licence fee would be easy to calculated by taking the total of all the BS we do now and dividing it by the number of licence sold plus twenty percent. And the PFBC would do to do likely, WTH! Fishing licences, trout stamps, boat registrations, launch permits, excetra excetra... Get over it all and set a cost, it would be cheaper for all of us!
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Post by redarrow on Aug 31, 2015 20:45:54 GMT -5
I'm sure some study shows the projected loss of sales expected with increases of varying amounts. It would be nice if the connected licenses were kept under a foot long.
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Post by bawanajim on Aug 31, 2015 21:12:28 GMT -5
We would need a third licence, A non residence licence, I don't believe they should be anything but inviting, lets say a third more than a residence licence, and junior N.R. licence the same as resident juniors, after all we need new recruits.
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Post by ridgecommander on Sept 1, 2015 6:51:00 GMT -5
To top it off, the PFBC wants to dump a significant portion of their large breeder trout into select streams across the state that are not often frequented by most of those that buy fishing licenses. Those being the very casual a few outing a year folks.
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Post by Dutch on Sept 1, 2015 11:44:16 GMT -5
The idea behind the dumping it to create "destination" streams, correct?
They have seen what happened when a private group put breeder trout in the lower parts of Pine Creek in Lycoming County.
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Post by ridgecommander on Sept 1, 2015 12:57:36 GMT -5
The idea behind the dumping it to create "destination" streams, correct? . I believe that is the intention. I am not sold at all on the idea. The great majority of license buyers buy fishing licenses to fish just a few days of the year. Those being the opening day of trout and soon thereafter with maybe a summer fishing trip of two. Those folks may be somewhat disenfranchised if they find out a significant percentage of the large trout have gone to select streams scattered across this large state.
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Post by Dutch on Sept 1, 2015 13:10:40 GMT -5
Most don't go out to fish for large trout, they just want to fish. They are just happy to catch a couple trout.
The other week, a family that rented our camp for 4 days, had a blast fishing. Trout, pickerel, smallies, fallfish, red eyes, etc. They caught everything that was in the creek, except a walleye, and there are a couple big ones in there, unstocked. Not sure they care about the size of the fish they caught or didn't, they were fishing as a family and having a great time.
I think, or hope, most fisherman are the same way? Hope it's not a competition to see who catches the biggest.
I also think these destination waters will be well scattered, so, if someone wants to drive a little way for lunker trout, they can.
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Post by timberdoodle on Sept 1, 2015 14:07:42 GMT -5
I usually fish once a week, take the kayak out to a State Park or Gameland pond and use a nymph or dry or terrestrial for pan fish.. Was out two days ago to gamelands, fished for three hours so quiet and peaceful was the only one there and I do mean only one because for sure there were no fish to speak of rant ... I did have a few hits and missed them but didn't care a bit cause I just release everything anyhoo.
Got out to a trou tstream once this year for a few hours well after stocking was over for the year.... but I'd rather be after the sun fish when they are breeding and ofcourse the occasional bass or crappie. Just buyt the trout stamp to have incase I get the rare urge and to keep the hip boots from dry rotting.
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Post by ridgecommander on Sept 2, 2015 6:52:19 GMT -5
Most don't go out to fish for large trout, they just want to fish. They are just happy to catch a couple trout. . True. Most go to catch some fish but there is no denying the excitement when there is a big trout or two swimming around in that pool. It is usually those pools that have the most anglers crowded around them. I just see some disenfranchisement a good possibility when the masses find out that many of big trout are being placed in select streams. All I hear around where I fish is the PFBC is stocking less and less trout every year and they are not as big as they used to be. Whether that is factual or not is disputable. Take the big trout out of the picture now, and I don't see those anglers being very enthused about it.
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