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Post by dougell on Jun 4, 2015 16:30:20 GMT -5
Thanks. That is because it is a good question.  Just like some hunters worry about youth hunters killing squirrels, but they could care less about the same kids yanking the guts out of trout or creeling them. Like I said,I can't help the way I feel. |
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Post by bawanajim on Jun 4, 2015 16:30:48 GMT -5
Shooting birds on the ground is simply wrong, its unsporting, its unsafe and its unethical, its simple not how birds are hunted.
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Post by redarrow on Jun 4, 2015 16:30:54 GMT -5
I shot a grouse on the ground with my bow while deer hunting and another with a .22 while I was hunting squirrel. All that I have shot with a shotgun were in the air.
If the rule was to shoot grouse ONLY while the were on the ground, we'd all kill far fewer grouse. Purposely finding the grouse before he flushes would be pretty sporting, I think.
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Post by dougell on Jun 4, 2015 16:34:12 GMT -5
Anyone who truly loves trout has issues.My kid caught a 15" brownie on sunday.I was excited because he hooked it perfect right in the corner of the mouth.Unfortunately,the hook broke as I was taking it out and the stupid thing landed head first on a rock.I tried giving it mouth to mouth so I didn't have to take it but it I was unsuccessful.Blahhh.
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Post by dougell on Jun 4, 2015 16:35:09 GMT -5
I shot a grouse on the ground with my bow while deer hunting and another with a .22 while I was hunting squirrel. All that I have shot with a shotgun were in the air. If the rule was to shoot grouse ONLY while the were on the ground, we'd all kill far fewer grouse. Purposely finding the grouse before he flushes would be pretty sporting, I think. I disagree.I don't find them all that hard to spot on the ground. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Jun 4, 2015 16:36:34 GMT -5
Shooting birds on the ground is simply wrong, its unsporting, its unsafe and its unethical, its simple not how birds are hunted. Is a turkey a bird? They fly, but much like grouse and pheasants spend the majority of their time on the ground. It is much more sporting to pass shoot Teal right? You know, all of those Teal that fly away with pellets in their gut don't matter because it is the sporting way. Shoot a running deer in the gut at 200 yards and it is unethical though, according to some that would pass shoot Teal. |
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Post by bawanajim on Jun 4, 2015 16:42:26 GMT -5
You lead a very sad life, searching only for the bad in the world, sadly folks like like you can't keep your hatred to your self, your some how feel the need to tear everyone and every thing down to your level.
I can only hope you never own a dog, as they deserve so much more.
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Post by dougell on Jun 4, 2015 16:43:39 GMT -5
Shooting birds on the ground is simply wrong, its unsporting, its unsafe and its unethical, its simple not how birds are hunted. Is a turkey a bird? They fly, but much like grouse and pheasants spend the majority of their time on the ground. It is much more sporting to pass shoot Teal right? You know, all of those Teal that fly away with pellets in their gut don't matter because it is the sporting way. Shoot a running deer in the gut at 200 yards and it is unethical though. Hunting turkeys is all about calling them in.Shooting one in the head with a shotgun at 30 yards is kind of anti-climatic.The shot itself isn't hard but not getting busted can be.I've actually just gone to using a 20ga for turkeys so they have to be called in close.Shooting a flying turkey would certainly be unethical and something I'd never attempt. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Jun 4, 2015 16:51:06 GMT -5
You lead a very sad life, searching only for the bad in the world, sadly folks like like you can't keep your hatred to your self, your some how feel the need to tear everyone and every thing down to your level. Personally, I think it is you always looking for the bad. It is not that hard to see it in most of your posts. You will see me defending hunters, fisherman and our sport often. It is not wrong to try to offset the hate some sportsman have for other sportsman that are only guilty of enjoying themselves while legally hunting. Of course, you did not quote me again, so maybe you were referring to someone else. I love my dog and he loves me. And my two cats and fish. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Jun 4, 2015 16:59:37 GMT -5
Hunting turkeys is all about calling them in.Shooting one in the head with a shotgun at 30 yards is kind of anti-climatic.The shot itself isn't hard but not getting busted can be.I've actually just gone to using a 20ga for turkeys so they have to be called in close. It has become a sport to call them into the gun. The point is they are still a bird and it has become acceptable to shoot them on the ground. Surely a difficult shot, but so is pass shooting Teal, Doves, and Pintails. |
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Post by Dutch on Jun 4, 2015 17:06:17 GMT -5
I've taken to "stoning" grouse, and I get as many as my brother and his 28 gauge. LOL
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Post by Goosehunter on Jun 4, 2015 18:42:54 GMT -5
I've taken to "stoning" grouse, and I get as many as my brother and his 28 gauge. LOL This whole conversation sounds like a "stoner' thread. smileys-whistling-823718 And it has been somewhat humorous reading how a bunch of deer hunters perceive this sport of Waterfowling. As you can imagine this topic has been beaten on every waterfowl forum worth anything. I'm a big fan of,"It's called wing shooting for a reason." |
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Post by Dutch on Jun 4, 2015 18:47:40 GMT -5
I understand that Charlie, but some folks still hunt for meat. For them, shooting a bunch on a pond is simply filling the freezer.
In this case, I'm sure they were not expecting the results.
Not defending them, just trying to get inside their heads.
Of course, mebbe I got it all wrong.
Why is it legal to kill all you want in MD, but not here?
If we still have a goose issue, why limit PA hunters to 25?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 18:56:57 GMT -5
Saying you can only shoot flying birds is equivalent to saying you can only shoot at running deer. I would have no problem shooting any bird on the ground. I am sure if you asked the bird if how it would like to be shot I don't think flying/ground would really matter to it.
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Post by Goosehunter on Jun 4, 2015 19:14:17 GMT -5
There are many mid west States that have no limit as well.
In reality you can almost call 25 birds, unlimited, if you're wing shooting and not ground pounding.
So maybe the 25 bird limit is to discourage ground pounding?
Or maybe it's just a PA thing.
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Post by Goosehunter on Jun 4, 2015 19:24:24 GMT -5
This pic of the pond is thru a spotting scope and probably what the shooters were looking at during their first volley. Not my cup of tea.  |
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Post by Goosehunter on Jun 4, 2015 19:34:26 GMT -5
Where's that Timberdoodle fellow?
Will there be a license suspension for these shooters??
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Post by Dutch on Jun 4, 2015 19:34:49 GMT -5
Doesn't US Fish and Wildlife set the limits?
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Post by Goosehunter on Jun 4, 2015 19:37:51 GMT -5
Yes, but each State is allowed to have more stringent rules than the Feds. You just can't have more liberal limits than the Feds.
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Post by dougell on Jun 5, 2015 8:26:03 GMT -5
Hunting turkeys is all about calling them in.Shooting one in the head with a shotgun at 30 yards is kind of anti-climatic.The shot itself isn't hard but not getting busted can be.I've actually just gone to using a 20ga for turkeys so they have to be called in close. It has become a sport to call them into the gun. The point is they are still a bird and it has become acceptable to shoot them on the ground. Surely a difficult shot, but so is pass shooting Teal, Doves, and Pintails. It wouldn't be difficult to hit a flying turkey.It would be difficult to cleanly kill one in the air.I can probably hit the majority of running deer but simply just hitting one isn't my goal. I can see someone shooting deer for food.I can see someone shooting stocked ditch chicks for food because they're both decent table fare,Not sure if you've ever eaten goose but I certainly wouldn't shoot one because I craved the taste.I actually stopped hunting waterfowl because I find them inedible.I find a hen turkey in the fall good to eat but a big gobbler in the spring is aweful,regardless of how it's cooked.I love hunting turkeys but quite honestly,I have little desire to kill them anymore.I'd much rather see someone else shoot one and deal with the aftermath.The only way one dies in front of me is if the hunt itself was good.I'm not killing one just to kill it. To me there's a difference between hunting and killing.My motivation is the hunt. |
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Post by dougell on Jun 5, 2015 8:46:22 GMT -5
Saying you can only shoot flying birds is equivalent to saying you can only shoot at running deer. I would have no problem shooting any bird on the ground. I am sure if you asked the bird if how it would like to be shot I don't think flying/ground would really matter to it. Not even close stroupy.A deer is shot with a single projectile at a relatively small vital area.Precision is what's needed to make a clean kill.There's really no way to practice hitting a small vital zone that moving at an unknown speed and at an unknown distance.It's simply pulling and praying and that's unethical at best although there is no doubt that a small percentage of people are capable of doing it every time.I'm taking my son to a wobble trap and doubles shoot this weekend. Wing shooting is done at much closer ranges and with weapons designed to take away some of that error.It's also pretty easy to take the time and practice wing shooting skills.Comparing the two isn't even close.I don't know about you but when I hunt,I'm hunting for an adrenaline rush of sorts.That can be caused by having to move at just the right time to escape the weary eyes of a gobbler or to keep from being spotted while drawing at a deer that's within 15 yards.When it all comes together,it's a rush.Jumping a grouse and having your insticts that you've worked hard to hone also creates adrenaline when the shot comes together.Shooting a sitting bird with a shotgun would do nothing for me except cause me some work.If that's ok with you you,that's fine with me.However,it doesn't hold up to my own personal code of ethics that I hold myself accountable for. |
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Post by bawanajim on Jun 5, 2015 9:03:52 GMT -5
With today's circle hooks even the least attentive of youngsters will hook every fish in the corner of the mouth.
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Post by ridgecommander on Jun 5, 2015 9:29:38 GMT -5
With today's circle hooks even the least attentive of youngsters will hook every fish in the corner of the mouth. Very true. Problem is most of the hunters that express conserns about the affects on our kids if they kill squirrels and turkeys don't use circle hooks for trout and have no issues with the trout having their guts ripped out and killed by these same kids. |
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Post by dougell on Jun 5, 2015 9:32:18 GMT -5
I don't understand the concept of creeling trout either.Now some big bluegills,that's a different story.
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Post by bawanajim on Jun 5, 2015 9:48:00 GMT -5
With today's circle hooks even the least attentive of youngsters will hook every fish in the corner of the mouth. Very true. Problem is most of the hunters that express conserns about the affects on our kids if they kill squirrels and turkeys don't use circle hooks for trout and have no issues with the trout having their guts ripped out and killed by these same kids. As long as kids are getting blood on their hands, I'm good with it.  |
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