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Post by Dutch on Oct 16, 2014 4:50:48 GMT -5
But I bet he has a high rating from the NRA. stirthepot
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 5:28:51 GMT -5
He does. The bill passed, so if the house concurs, you will no longer be able to go to one of the very few pigeon shoots still in existence, nor will you be able to eat dog or cat meat at your favorite chinese restaurant. No more Garfield foo yung for you.
It distresses me that Alloway is no longer my senator so I can't vote against him anymore. Saint Thomas got gerrymandered out of his district and into Eichelberger's, so don't blame me if this dim bulb gets reelected.
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Post by galthatfishes on Oct 16, 2014 6:29:31 GMT -5
NAYS - 12 Argall, David(R); Brubaker, Michael(R); Eichelberger, John(R); Folmer, Mike(R); Gordner, John(R); Hutchinson, Scott(R); Kasunic, Richard(D); Robbins, Bob(R); Scarnati, Joseph(R); Smucker, Lloyd(R); White, Donald(R); Yaw, Gene(R)
This should be your Game and Fisheries Committee.
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Post by galthatfishes on Oct 16, 2014 6:34:46 GMT -5
Brubaker, Kasunic, and Robbins all retire from Senate this year.
How many hunters do we have in the Senate?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 6:36:48 GMT -5
Well, I'll be! My newly gerrymandered senator (Eichelberger) voted nay. Maybe I'll vote for him this time instead of writing in Hector the Three-legged Dog.
The thing that bothers me the most about this one is that our most expensive full-time legislature can waste time on this sort of crap, but property tax reform, the crumbling infrastructure, other equally important issues get shunted to the back burner. Who cares what Bob Barker thinks? And exactly how many of those wonderful pigeons will be saved?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 6:37:56 GMT -5
Brubaker, Kasunic, and Robbins all retire from Senate this year. How many hunters do we have in the Senate? Please do not include Alloway in that list. He couldn't hunt his way out of a WalMart.
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Post by fleroo on Oct 16, 2014 7:59:54 GMT -5
Judging by a news report on last nights 11:00 PGH News, Mr. Solobay has much bigger issues confronting him than voting on a Pigeon shoot ?
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Post by ridgecommander on Oct 16, 2014 8:46:49 GMT -5
And some continue to state "it will never happen here"!
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Post by Dutch on Oct 16, 2014 13:06:48 GMT -5
Brubaker, Kasunic, and Robbins all retire from Senate this year. How many hunters do we have in the Senate? Please do not include Alloway in that list. He couldn't hunt his way out of a WalMart. Well, that gave me the laugh of the day. Thanks!
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Post by dennyf on Oct 16, 2014 14:33:57 GMT -5
Give HSUS their first win in PA, on their continuing crusade to ban all hunting and trapping everywhere.
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Post by dougell on Oct 16, 2014 16:15:55 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity,has the HSUS ever successfully lobbied a crusade in Pa against any other kind animal issues
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Post by ridgecommander on Oct 16, 2014 16:32:01 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity,has the HSUS ever successfully lobbied a crusade in Pa against any other kind animal issues The were a big player in the SH debate.
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Post by dougell on Oct 16, 2014 16:46:45 GMT -5
I'm not talking about that.I'm talking about your run of the mill animal "rights"type issues.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 16:57:24 GMT -5
I'll be glad if these "shoots" get banned. This is not hunting in any way, shape or form. And I'm sure most Pa hunters feel the same.
All this does is give us a black eye. "It's not hunting"!
Clay birds provide the same enjoyment.
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Post by ridgecommander on Oct 16, 2014 17:19:22 GMT -5
I'm not talking about that.I'm talking about your run of the mill animal "rights"type issues. OK. You had asked about which issues they lobbied for or against. That was one of them and a big one. Big vote on election day in Maine in 3 weeks. Voters to decide if hunting bears over bait and behind hounds should be banned. HSUS is the main player. Dumping millions into it.
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Post by galthatfishes on Oct 16, 2014 17:25:38 GMT -5
I'm not talking about that.I'm talking about your run of the mill animal "rights"type issues. More and more all the time Doug.
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Post by galthatfishes on Oct 16, 2014 17:27:27 GMT -5
Well, I'll be! My newly gerrymandered senator (Eichelberger) voted nay. Maybe I'll vote for him this time instead of writing in Hector the Three-legged Dog. The thing that bothers me the most about this one is that our most expensive full-time legislature can waste time on this sort of crap, but property tax reform, the crumbling infrastructure, other equally important issues get shunted to the back burner. Who cares what Bob Barker thinks? And exactly how many of those wonderful pigeons will be saved? Eichelberger is one of my absolute favorite Senators. He's thoughtful, and HONEST. It doesn't get much better. Senator Folmer is up there too.
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Post by dennyf on Oct 16, 2014 18:20:57 GMT -5
From Times Online, today.
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Post by melody on Oct 16, 2014 18:56:55 GMT -5
From Senator Alloway's FaceBook Page:
Senator Richard Alloway II Yesterday, I cast a vote to ban pigeon shoots in the Commonwealth and I feel it is important to explain my position. As you may know, from having followed my legislative activities, I’m an avid outdoorsman, an “A rated” NRA lifetime member, and staunch Second Amendment supporter, and my voting record will verify that claim. I’ve led the charge on nearly every piece of legislation that protects a person’s ability to defend themselves and their families with a firearm. At the same time, I’ve advocated for legislation that preserves our hunting and fishing traditions that are of great importance to me, both as a legislator and sportsman.
I feel that there are certain elements of hunting and fishing that are necessary to preserve the integrity of the sport, the most important of which is fair chase. Having had time to fully understand what goes on during pigeon shoots throughout the Commonwealth, I’ve reached the conclusion that they are something I cannot in good conscious support. My vote tonight was to eliminate these shoots, and while I understand that there are some that may take issue with my decision, I believe that the majority of my constituents would vote the same as I did, if they had the opportunity to see what actually happens during these events.
I have a deep admiration for our traditions and that includes a respect for the game we pursue, as we participate in these pastimes. This is in no way a slippery slope toward eliminating legitimate hunting opportunities, but rather a personal decision I have made regarding this individual activity. To me, hunting is about sport, and there is no sport in violating the fair-chase laws that we hold in such high esteem in the Commonwealth.
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Post by ridgecommander on Oct 16, 2014 19:04:21 GMT -5
From Alloway; " To me, hunting is about sport, and there is no sport in violating the fair-chase laws that we hold in such high esteem in the Commonwealth." How is that working out in Maine with a vote in 3 weeks to ban hunting bears with bait or hounds based on the talking point of it not being fair chase. He hunts pheasants I believe and the hunting of stocked pheasants is next on the list and he just made that goal much easier to attain! I had a rather pointed message ready to go on his Facebook page. Just could not hit the enter button.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 19:16:05 GMT -5
I'll be glad if these "shoots" get banned. This is not hunting in any way, shape or form. And I'm sure most Pa hunters feel the same. All this does is give us a black eye. "It's not hunting"! Clay birds provide the same enjoyment. clay birds don't flop around when you just wing em!!
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Post by bushmaster on Oct 16, 2014 19:16:34 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of baiting, hunting with dogs for big game, pigeon shoots, or anything that isn't fair chase. With that being said, I can't support anything that would open the door to further restrictions on hunting though. Hopefully this doesn't make it thru!
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Post by Dutch on Oct 16, 2014 19:41:56 GMT -5
From Alloway; " To me, hunting is about sport, and there is no sport in violating the fair-chase laws that we hold in such high esteem in the Commonwealth." How is that working out in Maine with a vote in 3 weeks to ban hunting bears with bait or hounds based on the talking point of it not being fair chase. He hunts pheasants I believe and the hunting of stocked pheasants is next on the list and he just made that goal much easier to attain! I had a rather pointed message ready to go on his Facebook page. Just could not hit the enter button. He will just ban you from his FB page, as i have been for disagreeing with him.
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Post by ridgecommander on Oct 17, 2014 6:36:37 GMT -5
He will just ban you from his FB page, as i have been for disagreeing with him. There were 23 comments to his post and every single one of them was thanking him for voting the way he did. Many of those that commented had a picture of a animal as their faceshot for Facebook. Go figure!
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Post by Dutch on Oct 17, 2014 6:53:58 GMT -5
One of his workers in his office is a HSUS member.
Melissa is her name.
I'm sure he now feels good he has some FB "friends".
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