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Post by galthatfishes on May 23, 2014 19:15:12 GMT -5
Moratorium on drilling state lands removed by Corbett at three today. My sarcastic side says he either needs to balance the budget or wants the campaign contributions.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2014 23:17:47 GMT -5
Moratorium on drilling state lands removed by Corbett at three today. My sarcastic side says he either needs to balance the budget or wants the campaign contributions. LOL! He's flopping like a fish out of water. He's changed his position on medical marijuana, he will not contest the same sex marriage ruling and now he'll allow drilling/fracking on state lands. Personally, I think it's about trying to win a second term as opening up the state land to drilling will not come close to balance the budget/revenue deficit as described here:
www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/04/pennsylvania_gets_more_bad_bud.html
BTW, John Baer has an interesting angle on the same sex marriage issue here:
www.philly.com/philly/blogs/growls/Impeach-Corbett.html
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Post by Dutch on May 24, 2014 6:14:16 GMT -5
Lets see, if there was a severance tax, there would be no need to drill on state lands, for now.
I'm not going to vote this year. Not that I'm a regular voter, but I cannot with clear mind vote for him if he just opened up all the state forests. Enough is enough.
FIX THE PENSIONS PLANS YOU IDIOT AND MUCH OF YOUR PROBLEM IS SOLVED.
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Post by Dutch on May 24, 2014 6:14:43 GMT -5
Moratorium on drilling state lands removed by Corbett at three today. My sarcastic side says he either needs to balance the budget or wants the campaign contributions. He wants BOTH State budget is out of balance by ANOTHER BILLION this year. On top of that, our pension plans have a $40-$60 billion shortfall....... |
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Post by bowbum on May 24, 2014 8:07:51 GMT -5
Lets see, if there was a severance tax, there would be no need to drill on state lands, for now. I'm not going to vote this year. N ot that I'm a regular voter, but I cannot with clear mind vote for him if he just opened up all the state forests. Enough is enough.
FIX THE PENSIONS PLANS YOU IDIOT AND MUCH OF YOUR PROBLEM IS SOLVED.
First off, yes there is a "predicted" budget shortfall of 500 mil to 1 billion. That shortfall is due in large part to rising pension costs, but more specifically to the cause that everyone criticized Corbett for abandoning: "The spending increase largely would go toward underwriting a new grant program for public schools,
Next, Dutch has not yet answered this question about his claim that, "if there was a severance tax, there would be no need to drill on state lands, for now..."
How so Dutch? How is that the state would say; "ok, we got our severance tax....we don't need any more money from natural gas!" Do you really believe that?
And then; " I cannot with clear mind vote for him if he just opened up all the state forests..." Where did you get information that "ALL" state forests have been "OPENED UP" to drilling?
Where did you get that, "all opened up" Dutch? Read this, (that ironically no one seemed to mention):
"In a budget brief put out by Corbett’s office, the proposal called for allowing “non-impact drilling,” which was defined as, “limited drilling activity on commonwealth-owned land, where drilling can occur without the need for additional surface impacts.”
And to think you folks, (some), seem to indicate that our taxpayers monies should be used to fight for an anti-gay marriage law to be re-instated, in an atmosphere where virtually every judicial process and determination in the nation is throwing out such rulings!
I'd like to see you take a stand and say;.." in light of education budget increase needs and the need for additional revenue, you think Corbett should spend even more additional funds, after just being shot down in court, to disallow same sex marriage as a legal binding obstacle. |
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Post by Dutch on May 24, 2014 11:24:45 GMT -5
Look BOB, I have NEVER, EVER voted for a DEM.
So stop calling me a liberal. It only hurts your argument.
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Post by Dutch on May 24, 2014 11:26:48 GMT -5
I am FAR and away more conservative than you realize.
I AM TIRED OF THE HATE OF PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF BY THE ULTRA RIGHT WING PEOPLE.
Solve the pension issue and stop playing games.
Why drill anymore on our state lands? We are selling into a glut. Its a fools game. You will receive lower royalties for gas, that in 50 years, will be gold.
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Post by bowbum on May 24, 2014 11:55:23 GMT -5
I am FAR and away more conservative than you realize. I AM TIRED OF THE HATE OF PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF BY THE ULTRA RIGHT WING PEOPLE. Solve the pension issue and stop playing games. Why drill anymore on our state lands? We are selling into a glut. Its a fools game. You will receive lower royalties for gas, that in 50 years, will be gold. Dutch, I think many of your comments lean liberal.....just my interpretation! Also, I am not ultra right wing. I am a realist and I do a lot of research on topics that I feel I should be concerned with. As for drilling state lands, read the part abut "no new surface disturbance" on state lands. As for the "why"....why not? If our predicted budget is showing shortfalls, why not take advantage of existing markets? Wait fifty years for a better price? That, to, me seems ludicrous! Use the cleaner resource now, (since we are all concerned about our environment), and explore, engineer and develop even lower impact energy sources, along with better conservation of energy for the future. |
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Post by Dutch on May 24, 2014 15:52:36 GMT -5
You interpret my defense of the TRUTH towards a Democrat as being liberal. Iwant the truth as telling lies by a Republican towards a Dem just harms the Republican party. Now, I have no love of any party, but as a life long Republican that believes in fiscal responsibility, I want to see those ideals furthered.
When lies are told by Corbett, it hurts our chances of moving forward with such ideals. It only helps elect liberals.
I am hard on Republicans because it has been my party since I could vote and it has deteriorated into a bunch of liars.
They talk a good deal, then get in office and spend like drunken sailors.
They use their religious mantra to put people of other faiths down, like in the case of Sunday Hunting.
In short, I'm embarrassed by most of the hard liners that only lie in order to gain advantage, meanwhile, leading this country down a path of ruin, the same path hard line liberals will lead us down.
I am tired of the CINO's as well. Those that put down those that need a hand up, but will protect the trough they slop at.
Tired of all the hardliners that just regurgitate what they read in a blog or what "The Party" tells them.
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Post by galthatfishes on May 24, 2014 16:15:41 GMT -5
Ahem. No additional surface drilling? Okay.
Anyone else see the irony in that he won't allow Bill C to be the Executive Director of the PGC, yet he is willing to steal his ideas?
OMG. Just rolling laughing. What a trip!
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Post by bowbum on May 24, 2014 19:31:18 GMT -5
Sometimes ya just can't get people to see the forest for the trees!
Corbett a liar? Wow a politician who would lie.....amazing, but I see blatant lies from the liberal side that also coincides with socialist movement. Nobody seems concerned about that though! What horrendous lies did Corbett perpetuate and what particularly was this, "spending like a drunker sailor" stuff?
I don't read blogs and I am an independent, but I do research to find facts. My posts about Tom, the liar, Wolf came from major newspapers reporting. I think the philly paper is even a liberal paper.
As for the PGC and the renewed drilling, you can make some sort of fifth cousin association but Corbett didn't make any claim to anything being his invention. He simply enacted what was there to enact, lifted an existing moratorium, and stole no ideas from anyone. But hey, if ya need to believe he stole an idea, ok, believe it!
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Post by Dutch on May 24, 2014 22:12:15 GMT -5
Under Bush, spending was going nuts. that is what I was referring to.
I am concerned when a Republican out and out lies to the voters. I don't give a rats butt what a Dem does, let them destroy their own party. But when a sitting Governor approves a commercial that he knows is full of lies about an opponent, he should not get his job back.
Take the high road for God's sake Corbett. But hey, when he's down as far as he is, I guess he has to do anything to win. Well, he lost a lot of people, and I bet he'll lose this election. Tom Wolf won't win, Corbett will lose. There is a difference.
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Post by bowbum on May 25, 2014 6:30:08 GMT -5
Bush was.... how many years ago? And how much insane, (entitlement), spending has taken place since the expense of doing war type things.....which most all of America supported at the time!
As for Corbetts commercial that you keep referring to but won't detail the lie.......just "what" was that lie?
And if you don't care about what he actually accomplished and the promises kept, and you disavow "your" party over a commercial.......then?
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Post by galthatfishes on May 26, 2014 5:57:49 GMT -5
Sometimes ya just can't get people to see the forest for the trees! Corbett a liar? Wow a politician who would lie.....amazing, but I see blatant lies from the liberal side that also coincides with socialist movement. Nobody seems concerned about that though! What horrendous lies did Corbett perpetuate and what particularly was this, "spending like a drunker sailor" stuff? I don't read blogs and I am an independent, but I do research to find facts. My posts about Tom, the liar, Wolf came from major newspapers reporting. I think the philly paper is even a liberal paper. As for the PGC and the renewed drilling, you can make some sort of fifth cousin association but Corbett didn't make any claim to anything being his invention. He simply enacted what was there to enact, lifted an existing moratorium, and stole no ideas from anyone. But hey, if ya need to believe he stole an idea, ok, believe it! ; I guess you missed the part where there will be "no surface disturbance" on state owned land where ever possible? The ONLY agency that did that is the PGC, and its one of the things Bill C was applauded for at many of the events I attended. In fact, he was LAUDED for it over and over. Yes, the idea of off-site drilling is Corbet's alone. What a forward thinking guy! coffeespit |
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Post by Dutch on May 26, 2014 8:06:55 GMT -5
Bush was.... how many years ago? And how much insane, (entitlement), spending has taken place since the expense of doing war type things.....which most all of America supported at the time! As for Corbetts commercial that you keep referring to but won't detail the lie.......just "what" was that lie? And if you don't care about what he actually accomplished and the promises kept, and you disavow "your" party over a commercial.......then? Corbett pulled the commercial people called him on his lies about Wolf. I don't disavow my party over a commercial, I DISAVOW A MAN FOR HIS LIES. Corbett blamed Wolf for the high unemployment in PA. It was a recession that did that. He blamed Wolf's high taxes for the recession and unemployment. Wolf does not set taxes, and the recession was a sorta national thing?  Couple others I now forget, but the local TV station did a fact check on it, as did many others and they all came up with the conclusion it was lies by Corbett. So, if Corbett approved the ad, then he approved the lies, which makes him a liar. Our party should not stand for this, and elevate itself above this. But, it chose to stick with a failing candidate..... so, it will lose this election due to it's choices. |
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Post by bowbum on May 26, 2014 10:01:21 GMT -5
Sometimes ya just can't get people to see the forest for the trees! Corbett a liar? Wow a politician who would lie.....amazing, but I see blatant lies from the liberal side that also coincides with socialist movement. Nobody seems concerned about that though! What horrendous lies did Corbett perpetuate and what particularly was this, "spending like a drunker sailor" stuff? I don't read blogs and I am an independent, but I do research to find facts. My posts about Tom, the liar, Wolf came from major newspapers reporting. I think the philly paper is even a liberal paper. As for the PGC and the renewed drilling, you can make some sort of fifth cousin association but Corbett didn't make any claim to anything being his invention. He simply enacted what was there to enact, lifted an existing moratorium, and stole no ideas from anyone. But hey, if ya need to believe he stole an idea, ok, believe it! ; I guess you missed the part where there will be "no surface disturbance" on state owned land where ever possible? The ONLY agency that did that is the PGC, and its one of the things Bill C was applauded for at many of the events I attended. In fact, he was LAUDED for it over and over. Yes, the idea of off-site drilling is Corbet's alone. What a forward thinking guy! coffeespit You not only "missed the part" but you missed the entire thing! Corbett made no claim to this being his scenario.\, he took no credit for inventing anything and he simply lifted an existing moritorium.. The attitude is inexplicable but if your hatred of Corbett is fueled by believing he stole an idea.....have at it! |
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Post by bowbum on May 26, 2014 10:06:17 GMT -5
Bush was.... how many years ago? And how much insane, (entitlement), spending has taken place since the expense of doing war type things.....which most all of America supported at the time! As for Corbetts commercial that you keep referring to but won't detail the lie.......just "what" was that lie? And if you don't care about what he actually accomplished and the promises kept, and you disavow "your" party over a commercial.......then? Corbett pulled the commercial people called him on his lies about Wolf. I don't disavow my party over a commercial, I DISAVOW A MAN FOR HIS LIES. Corbett blamed Wolf for the high unemployment in PA. It was a recession that did that. He blamed Wolf's high taxes for the recession and unemployment. Wolf does not set taxes, and the recession was a sorta national thing? Couple others I now forget, but the local TV station did a fact check on it, as did many others and they all came up with the conclusion it was lies by Corbett. So, if Corbett approved the ad, then he approved the lies, which makes him a liar. Our party should not stand for this, and elevate itself above this. But, it chose to stick with a failing candidate..... so, it will lose this election due to it's choices. Dutch, I never saw any of that which you mention and I would challenge you to provide facts to the authenticity of what you are saying. If Corbett's ad referred to economic and employment status in the adminstration during Wolf's tenure that is fair game......Wolf was a part of that adminsitration, even if he did not make the decisions. Kind of like you blaming George Bush for over spending 78 years ago during a war where nearly all Americans shouted their support from the rooftops....until things went sour then the naysayers with 20-20 hindsigth came out of the woodwork.....some took years to come out though. So, back to the question of wanting evidence of Corbett directly lying about something.........quotes please! |
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Post by melody on May 26, 2014 12:53:14 GMT -5
MONDAY - 6/2/14
House Democratic Policy Committee (New)
10:00 a.m., Room 418 Main Capitol
Public hearing on Gov. Corbett’s plan for leasing State parks/forests
Drilling on State Lands to Balance the Budget
House Democratic Policy Committee Hearing June 2
On June 2, 2014 the House Democratic Policy Committee will conduct a hearing in Harrisburg (Minority Caucus Room, 418 Main Capitol) to attempt to address Governor Corbett’s proposal to allow drilling on state lands to balance the budget. It will take place at 10:00 a.m.
The hearing is being put together by State Representative Greg Vitali, Democratic Chairman of the House Environmental Resources and Energy Committee.
Panelists will include:
• John Quigley, Principal, John H. Quigley, LLC.; Former DCNR Secretary
• John Childe, Attorney, Pennsylvania Environmental Defense Foundation
• Mark Szybist, Attorney, PennFuture
• John Norbeck, Vice President and COO, PennFuture
Public attendance is welcome, but questions will be limited to Policy Committee members. Members of the public can submit written questions and comments to the committee.
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Post by Dutch on May 26, 2014 14:34:28 GMT -5
Corbett pulled the commercial people called him on his lies about Wolf. I don't disavow my party over a commercial, I DISAVOW A MAN FOR HIS LIES. Corbett blamed Wolf for the high unemployment in PA. It was a recession that did that. He blamed Wolf's high taxes for the recession and unemployment. Wolf does not set taxes, and the recession was a sorta national thing? Couple others I now forget, but the local TV station did a fact check on it, as did many others and they all came up with the conclusion it was lies by Corbett. So, if Corbett approved the ad, then he approved the lies, which makes him a liar. Our party should not stand for this, and elevate itself above this. But, it chose to stick with a failing candidate..... so, it will lose this election due to it's choices. Dutch, I never saw any of that which you mention and I would challenge you to provide facts to the authenticity of what you are saying. If Corbett's ad referred to economic and employment status in the adminstration during Wolf's tenure that is fair game......Wolf was a part of that adminsitration, even if he did not make the decisions. Kind of like you blaming George Bush for over spending 78 years ago during a war where nearly all Americans shouted their support from the rooftops....until things went sour then the naysayers with 20-20 hindsigth came out of the woodwork.....some took years to come out though. So, back to the question of wanting evidence of Corbett directly lying about something.........quotes please! Unreal Bob. |
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Post by Dutch on May 26, 2014 14:36:18 GMT -5
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Post by galthatfishes on May 26, 2014 14:38:46 GMT -5
I guess you missed the part where there will be "no surface disturbance" on state owned land where ever possible? The ONLY agency that did that is the PGC, and its one of the things Bill C was applauded for at many of the events I attended. In fact, he was LAUDED for it over and over. Yes, the idea of off-site drilling is Corbet's alone. What a forward thinking guy! coffeespit You not only "missed the part" but you missed the entire thing! Corbett made no claim to this being his scenario.\, he took no credit for inventing anything and he simply lifted an existing moritorium.. The attitude is inexplicable but if your hatred of Corbett is fueled by believing he stole an idea.....have at it! My hatred? You've lost your mind. excited Yes, he DID steal an idea and present it as his own. Its obvious you stay well informed on these issues. rofl |
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Post by galthatfishes on May 26, 2014 14:39:46 GMT -5
Don't go providing facts Brad. Bob might have to say hes sorry for misrepresenting our views.
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Post by Dutch on May 26, 2014 14:56:43 GMT -5
I hate the gas industry SO much that in my stock portfolio, I own 2 gas pipeline Master Limited Partnerships, and the largest gas utility in the state.
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Post by bowbum on May 27, 2014 8:07:27 GMT -5
I hate the gas industry SO much that in my stock portfolio, I own 2 gas pipeline Master Limited Partnerships, and the largest gas utility in the state. Dutch as I predicted, you presented no specific lie or statement that was untrue. That commercial "WAS NOT" pulled, at least not in my area! What the commercial states about taxes, "DOES NOT SAY" anything different than that while Wolf was in the administration, taxes went up and unemployment also went up. Are you saying that was not true? |
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Post by bowbum on May 27, 2014 8:13:42 GMT -5
You not only "missed the part" but you missed the entire thing! Corbett made no claim to this being his scenario.\, he took no credit for inventing anything and he simply lifted an existing moritorium.. The attitude is inexplicable but if your hatred of Corbett is fueled by believing he stole an idea.....have at it! My hatred? You've lost your mind. excited Yes, he DID steal an idea and present it as his own. Its obvious you stay well informed on these issues. rofl I hate when I lose my mind. People who don't have a mind to lose don't know what they are missing though....... smileys-whistling-823718 We all know that the budget shortfall prediction of 1/2 to 1 billion is being addressed by lifting the existing moratorium on state lands drilling....no news. Now ...as to your claim that Corbett stated the "no added surface disturbance" was his idea..................n my lost mind, I missed where you posted that quote or verification of that so called claim!!!! |
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