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Post by Roosterslammer on Jan 30, 2014 16:50:54 GMT -5
Rober, I have not posted the link because it is not up yet. If you are that anxious to see it, watch the video of the PGC meeting for Monday. I am happy to hear that you are now a CREP fan. Does the term "flip flop" mean anything to you? Interesting that you feel the need to disparage someone for working to improve wildlife habitat and increase hunting opportunities for people. I can understand someone having a complaint about the high cost of the game farm program but I am confused why someone would be so consumed with talking down a program they have no involvement in and where PF fronts most of the cost for but others can benefit from? Did you used to hunt at PPL before it was closed? I'm thinking something is driving your anger and it sure isn't the poor excuse for an argument your making here. What's really stuck in your craw?
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Post by rober on Jan 30, 2014 19:41:26 GMT -5
Never hunted ppl property. The program needs to be on public land not private land as stated many times before. That is what is in my crawl. Never said i hated crep. My biggest concern, again is private lands being used. Easements need to be signed that gaurentee's hunter access for pheasant hunting. There is nothing stopping anyone to post there land and charge or lease there property after all your work has been done. That is my problem.
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Post by bawanajim on Jan 30, 2014 20:39:06 GMT -5
Im sure what your saying will happen to some extent, but not all of the land owners are land barrens that own land for no more than financial gain, most of this land is not fit to farm with modern equipment, so the owners are taking advantage of the government's give away program to get a small return on questionable areas of their land.
There is no sinister motive at work here and when crep payments stop very little of this land will see the plow, if it were indeed tillable it would be tilled now because crop prices demand it, simply put, most of it is to small or misshaped for the turning radius of todays equipment.
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Post by Roosterslammer on Jan 30, 2014 22:02:13 GMT -5
Never hunted ppl property. The program needs to be on public land not private land as stated many times before. That is what is in my crawl. Never said i hated crep. My biggest concern, again is private lands being used. Easements need to be signed that gaurentee's hunter access for pheasant hunting. There is nothing stopping anyone to post there land and charge or lease there property after all your work has been done. That is my problem. Well we have that in common. It is a concern of mine too. I have thought about it since the beginning of the program. There is a large part of the WPRA (4000 acres) that is open to public hunting. Also a large number of farms have signed up for Hunter Access. We are working on a new program that will require hunter access for the landowner to get help with land management. The idea of having a 1 bird limit allows a lot of people the opportunity instead of just a few to get all the birds. Who will want to pay a landowner lease money to shoot one bird? As the population grows other restrictions will be applied to protect both the birds and the access to hunters not just a landowners private preserve. Some land will be closed of course but we will work hard for hunter access. Everybody's access will be limited at first until we monitor harvest results and population trends. Believe me when I tell you that we have not approached any landowner about a lease for our own private little hunting area. If we don't have public access, we're not hunting much either. We've been pretty hard on each other but I actually think you're to be commended on your dedication to your RGS chapter and habitat work. There are too few people making the effort.
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Post by Dutch on Jan 30, 2014 23:09:57 GMT -5
Im sure what your saying will happen to some extent, but not all of the land owners are land barrens that own land for no more than financial gain, most of this land is not fit to farm with modern equipment, so the owners are taking advantage of the government's give away program to get a small return on questionable areas of their land. There is no sinister motive at work here and when crep payments stop very little of this land will see the plow, if it were indeed tillable it would be tilled now because crop prices demand it, simply put, most of it is to small or misshaped for the turning radius of todays equipment. I've seen and been on some of the CREP land where the WPRA is. It's good ground, not junk. Others may be, but having driven thru some of that area and seen some plantings, some are on highly erodible soils, much is not.
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Post by rober on Jan 31, 2014 16:31:53 GMT -5
Never hunted ppl property. The program needs to be on public land not private land as stated many times before. That is what is in my crawl. Never said i hated crep. My biggest concern, again is private lands being used. Easements need to be signed that gaurentee's hunter access for pheasant hunting. There is nothing stopping anyone to post there land and charge or lease there property after all your work has been done. That is my problem. Well we have that in common. It is a concern of mine too. I have thought about it since the beginning of the program. There is a large part of the WPRA (4000 acres) that is open to public hunting. Also a large number of farms have signed up for Hunter Access. We are working on a new program that will require hunter access for the landowner to get help with land management. The idea of having a 1 bird limit allows a lot of people the opportunity instead of just a few to get all the birds. Who will want to pay a landowner lease money to shoot one bird? As the population grows other restrictions will be applied to protect both the birds and the access to hunters not just a landowners private preserve. Some land will be closed of course but we will work hard for hunter access. Everybody's access will be limited at first until we monitor harvest results and population trends. Believe me when I tell you that we have not approached any landowner about a lease for our own private little hunting area. If we don't have public access, we're not hunting much either. We've been pretty hard on each other but I actually think you're to be commended on your dedication to your RGS chapter and habitat work. There are too few people making the effort. Ah yes, the druthers of night shift for me!! Lynn, this is exactly what I wanted to see about hunter access. I have more that I want to say, ALL POSITIVE but these 12 hr. night shifts have caught up and they will have to wait until tomorrow smiley-hug006
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 21:12:23 GMT -5
I don't like 12 hour days and couldn't imagine what it's like at night.
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Post by Roosterslammer on Feb 1, 2014 11:35:45 GMT -5
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Post by davet on Feb 1, 2014 11:41:33 GMT -5
WAIT.....Pa. hasn't seen a native bird since the 70's anyway right? So what's all the fuss?
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Post by Roosterslammer on Feb 1, 2014 19:21:20 GMT -5
WAIT.....Pa. hasn't seen a native bird since the 70's anyway right? So what's all the fuss? PA has 4 wild pheasant areas called WPRAs for short. Wild pheasants from Montana and SD have been released in these areas and they are being monitored. Some are doing better than others but we are learning what works and applying that knowledge as we go forward. These are areas that are the start of introductory program to bring wild pheasants back to parts of PA that are believed to be able to hold wild pheasants. Hopefully the populations will continue to grow but we are still working to that end. There is a lot info at the link that was earlier given.
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Post by bawanajim on Feb 1, 2014 19:28:09 GMT -5
I would love to see them do this at the Pymatuning wildlife area. There would need be some changes made in the farming practices but its mostly all PGC land, with plenty of room for them to expand.
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Post by rober on Feb 1, 2014 22:50:04 GMT -5
I read it and it was very positive. One item I did notice was that 58% of pheasant hunters and 63% of non-pheasant hunters don't know anything about the WPRA's. I think PF or the PGC should dome some education in this area to maybe help there cause. Especially PF, you might get a few more members and gain some more help for habitat.
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Post by Roosterslammer on Feb 4, 2014 13:38:34 GMT -5
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