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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2013 18:07:38 GMT -5
I do understand, we just have different experiences and desires. I have traveled out west 10 times and spent thousandfs of dollars to hunt WILD pheasants. I know there are game lands down the road and hunting preserves around where i could more easily and way less expensive hunt some game farm pheasants. If you have never hunted wild ones, it doesn't compute. It also disturbs me that much of PAs landscape is so sterile that a mouse can't even survive in it. I see people tearing out hedge rows just to get another 10 ft to farm. It is just rediculous that the government would subsidize using a food crop to create fuel. So along with bringing back wild pheasants, kestrels, harriers, barn owls, short eared owls, meadow larks, red wing blackbirds and a host of other wildlife benefits by every acre of grassland we put in. Even if you don't care about pheasants, the habitat we are creating and helping conserve makes the plan worthy of support. Very informative plus was your postive trending crowing report/bar graph! One question...by joining PF does it help much supporting the program just being a member? I'm pretty much fully engaged & then some in my work so have minimal time to help outside of just being a PF member. Once retired I have so many volunteer areas on tap it almost scares me bout retiring but see PF as a viable venue to consider including... |
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Post by Fldbred on May 2, 2013 19:04:41 GMT -5
Loggy,
Yes, yes and yes again, being a regular member certainly helps! Numbers matter, just as giving support on Forums such as these goes a long way! Thank You!
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Post by Dutch on May 2, 2013 19:56:31 GMT -5
Loggy, my guess is that instead of becoming a PF member, your money, donated directly to the Central Susqy Branch, would go directly to putting habitat on the ground.
I'd rather put $30 directly into seed, fertilizer, etc, than to see it go to national.
That has been my beef with the RGS banquets here. I'd rather go and support my chapter directly, but, you can't go to a banquet unless you are a member. I'd rather my money go right to the local chapter. So, I buy their raffles tickets when my brother offers them. I know where the money is going.
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Post by Roosterslammer on May 2, 2013 19:59:41 GMT -5
Just as rediculous as paying farmers in Lebanon County almost $400 per acre in CREP rentals, NOT to farm. Dutch, I'm afraid you do not understand and most likely never will. My best to you and yours but I am officially done trying to convince you on this topic. "A person convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still." We"ll just have to agree to disagree. That does not however get you out of a Bud Light  |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2013 20:01:47 GMT -5
Loggy, Yes, yes and yes again, being a regular member certainly helps! Numbers matter, just as giving support on Forums such as these goes a long way! Thank You! Thanks much Fldbred plus Lynn. I've learned so much here in just a lil while reading your posts!!  I will be joining-up. |
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Post by Dutch on May 2, 2013 20:16:20 GMT -5
Just as rediculous as paying farmers in Lebanon County almost $400 per acre in CREP rentals, NOT to farm. Dutch, I'm afraid you do not understand and most likely never will. My best to you and yours but I am officially done trying to convince you on this topic. "A person convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still." We"ll just have to agree to disagree. That does not however get you out of a Bud Light Lynn, CREP is welfare for farmers. It takes cropland out of production, which is about the same as growing crops to make alcohol. No net gain. When our club put our acreage in CREP, the farmer that was renting the land, left and moved on. He needed our land to help make it. I've heard that some farmers in Bradford County, cannot farm enough land for their dairy herds because a good bit of land was put in CREP. CREP, good for wildlife, I understand, bad for farmers. Farmers are now taking lands out of CREP and CRP because it now pays, due to higher corn prices, to actually farm the land. |
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Post by TusseyMtman on May 2, 2013 20:48:30 GMT -5
Even though I am opposed to any kind of pheasant program, CREP does have some value when used correctly. Farmers have a habit of being very abusive of riparian and wetland areas.
This is coming from somebody with an ag background and a college degree in ag. Most farmers do need economic incentive to not destroy important wetlands and low streamside areas, as well as highly erodible areas.
I know not all land in CREP is highly erodible or wetlands. But, any type of program like this will see some abuses. CREP funding should also never be used to promote the proliferation of exotic species for shooting purposes.
Despite the problems, there is alot of good that comes out of such programs. I don't have time to write about all the environmental abuses I have seen farmers commit. Not all of them are bad. Many, many, are. It takes $$$ incentive to correct the problem.
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Post by Dutch on May 2, 2013 20:52:17 GMT -5
I fully understand the benefits of CREP. I also know it is welfare.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2013 6:19:41 GMT -5
Loggy, my guess is that instead of becoming a PF member, your money, donated directly to the Central Susqy Branch, would go directly to putting habitat on the ground. I'd rather put $30 directly into seed, fertilizer, etc, than to see it go to national. That has been my beef with the RGS banquets here. I'd rather go and support my chapter directly, but you can't go to a banquet unless you are a member. I'd rather my money go right to the local chapter. So, I buy their raffles tickets when my brother offers them. I know where the money is going. I belong to the MSSA & they support our local Susuehanna Chapter as well as the NWTF does also. Doesn't the PF do the same with their local chapters? |
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Post by Dutch on May 3, 2013 7:51:56 GMT -5
Sure, but a direct contribution to the chapter up there would assure you that more of your money would go locally, and not back to national. That's how all of them work, it seems.
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Post by Roosterslammer on May 3, 2013 9:37:38 GMT -5
I fully understand the benefits of CREP. I also know it is welfare. OK Dutch, I gave up on the WPRA discussion but the CREP discussion is new. Sooooo, if CREP is welfare for farmers then I would guess you are also against any kind of price support and against grassland wildlife in total. If it weren't for CRP, CREP, WIP and WRP there would be almost no habitat for wetland (ducks) or grassland species. Any discussion against CRP and CREP belongs on an ag board and not an upland hunting board. CREP is never used as a way to help an introduced species. It is primarily a soil conservation program with a wildife component. Pheasants are just going along for the ride. Just think of them as undocumented freeloaders if that helps you ;D Dutch, we still agree on Sunday Hunting so we're not in complete disagreement  |
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Post by Dutch on May 3, 2013 16:04:40 GMT -5
Lynn, I understand all the benefits of CREP, CRP, etc. Great stuff but...... when you pay someone NOT to work, well, thats welfare, right? |
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Post by Dutch on May 3, 2013 16:05:26 GMT -5
I need to buy you multiple GOOD beers. Yer just wound to tight Lynn. LOL
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