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Post by rusty on Mar 31, 2024 16:32:34 GMT -5
What lies? Trump tells it like it is. Do I need to remind you of your previous comments about lies? It is apparent that the concept of lying and what lies are is over your head. As I said before, purposely lying is shameful. Telling mistruths because one doesn't know any better happens, but once the truth comes out, the previous comments should be rectified. IE: Giving someone a benefit of a doubt, which you say I never do, lol..... Many people will not admit to seeing the truth when it means admitting they were wrong about a subject. I voted for trump's first term and tried to defend him for a while. It soon became clear to any thinking American that the guy was to petulant and thin skinned to be effective or to take advise from those who knew far more than him. I was not easy for me to vote for Biden in 2020, but Trumps actions and his speech after losing made me as sure that my vote to oust him was as correct as any choice I've made in my life. I could have been stubborn and prideful and never admitted that I made a mistake in supporting the goon, But I allowed common sense and loyalty to my country get the better of me.
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Post by stroupy on Mar 31, 2024 16:59:21 GMT -5
What lies? Trump tells it like it is. Do I need to remind you of your previous comments about lies? It is apparent that the concept of lying and what lies are is over your head. As I said before, purposely lying is shameful. Telling mistruths because one doesn't know any better happens, but once the truth comes out, the previous comments should be rectified. IE: Giving someone a benefit of a doubt, which you say I never do, lol..... lol, no I can see lies when I see them. I may be very conservative as someone who used to be more in the middle and leaned right because of my love for hunting. We have a small minority of people such as yourself who put themselves on a pedestal that think that if they put on the image that they are able to point the finger at both sides that that makes them right and no one who actually sticks to their beliefs can possibly be right unless they take the same stance as you. As stated before is there a magical God that floats down from the clouds that comes in to settle arguments? I guess a judge is the closet thing but out government has made a mockery of it as of late. You see I'll post it again because there is nothing outrageous about that comment.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 31, 2024 18:05:31 GMT -5
You see I'll post it again because there is nothing outrageous about that comment. I wouldn't say its outrageous but it certainly explains a lot........
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Post by stroupy on Mar 31, 2024 18:43:21 GMT -5
You see I'll post it again because there is nothing outrageous about that comment. I wouldn't say its outrageous but it certainly explains a lot........ Yep, that some are so into themselves that they care more about image then they do about common sense. Like the if you don't do this you are going to kill grandma kick you went on then all of sudden you went from diehard conservative to now in the middle.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 31, 2024 19:41:54 GMT -5
Like the if you don't do this you are going to kill grandma kick you went on then all of sudden you went from diehard conservative to now in the middle. What I did say many times was that people at low risk for serious illness should think about others at higher risk when they choose to do or don't do something. Compassion for others and good choices should be made to lessen the risk to others. Generally speaking, of course. Grandmas did die as the result of others and their poor choices. As for being a conservative I still am. I believe in small govt. States rights. Low taxes. Balanced budgets. Reduced spending. I also believe that our govt should actually work to get stuff done for the people. This is the most do nothing congress in history. One can believe all of the above but not be a fan of Trump.
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Post by stroupy on Apr 1, 2024 4:55:09 GMT -5
Like the if you don't do this you are going to kill grandma kick you went on then all of sudden you went from diehard conservative to now in the middle. What I did say many times was that people at low risk for serious illness should think about others at higher risk when they choose to do or don't do something. Compassion for others and good choices should be made to lessen the risk to others. Generally speaking, of course. Grandmas did die as the result of others and their poor choices. As for being a conservative I still am. I believe in small govt. States rights. Low taxes. Balanced budgets. Reduced spending. I also believe that our govt should actually work to get stuff done for the people. This is the most do nothing congress in history. One can believe all of the above but not be a fan of Trump. Amazing how your covid stance has since changed from the days of your "weiner falling off days" lol you moved the goalposts now that you have more information after the fact. That's your m/o.
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 1, 2024 6:22:42 GMT -5
Amazing how your covid stance has since changed from the days of your "weiner falling off days" lol you moved the goalposts now that you have more information after the fact. That's your m/o. Actually, if you understood science, it often changes as we learn more about it and as bacteria/viruses change. But, we have talked about that before. In my profession, we treat total knee replacements differently than we did when I started 28 years ago. We are always during studies to assess different treatment approaches to look at outcomes. Things change, which is a good thing when the patients health is the focus. With that said, the mixed messaging during covid was a disaster and it will take some time for the public's confidence in science to recover.
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Post by jwk on Apr 1, 2024 7:20:45 GMT -5
Trump caught "Crap" for everything he did no matter what it was. The divide started before Trump took office. Yes, it certainly did. It began even before a black man was elected and was fanned by things like trump's continued promotion of the birther lies aimed at further rallying the groups like the proud boys and other militia groups. Trump preys on fears and does his best to find groups of Americans to focus that fear and hatred toward. Can we function as a country when a president believes he is only there to serve himself, his family. and, to a lesser degree those who support him 100% while vilifying all others? Trump will be even worse if he is allowed back in. Rallying groups like Antifa and BLM to burn cities, loot and attack police is perfectly accptable though right? I am not saying Trump is perfect and not guilty of some of these things, but when I see the government weaponizing the DOJ to keep someone from running against them it bothers me and should bother everyone else.
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Post by davet on Apr 1, 2024 7:30:27 GMT -5
Rallying groups like Antifa and BLM to burn cities, loot and attack police is perfectly accptable though right? I am not saying Trump is perfect and not guilty of some of these things, but when I see the government weaponizing the DOJ to keep someone from running against them it bothers me and should bother everyone else. This is such a "Look...Shiny Object" line of deflection it's hilarious. It's a standard line of very, very weak defense of once again.....he didn't mean that....he ment this. Yeah.....that's right. Sure, I'm buying. (Please note heavy sarcasm)
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Post by jwk on Apr 1, 2024 7:34:28 GMT -5
Rallying groups like Antifa and BLM to burn cities, loot and attack police is perfectly accptable though right? I am not saying Trump is perfect and not guilty of some of these things, but when I see the government weaponizing the DOJ to keep someone from running against them it bothers me and should bother everyone else. This is such a "Look...Shiny Object" line of deflection it's hilarious. It's a standard line of very, very weak defense of once again.....he didn't mean that....he ment this. Yeah.....that's right. Sure, I'm buying. (Please note heavy sarcasm) But it's the truth. When insults start coming out that is usually the sign of no defense. So keep it up.
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 1, 2024 7:52:16 GMT -5
When insults start coming out that is usually the sign of no defense. Like Trump does?
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Post by jwk on Apr 1, 2024 7:59:17 GMT -5
When insults start coming out that is usually the sign of no defense. Like Trump does? exactly
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Post by rusty on Apr 1, 2024 8:03:45 GMT -5
What I did say many times was that people at low risk for serious illness should think about others at higher risk when they choose to do or don't do something. Compassion for others and good choices should be made to lessen the risk to others. Generally speaking, of course. Grandmas did die as the result of others and their poor choices. As for being a conservative I still am. I believe in small govt. States rights. Low taxes. Balanced budgets. Reduced spending. I also believe that our govt should actually work to get stuff done for the people. This is the most do nothing congress in history. One can believe all of the above but not be a fan of Trump. Amazing how your covid stance has since changed from the days of your "weiner falling off days" lol you moved the goalposts now that you have more information after the fact. That's your m/o. Failing to understand that there will certainly be changes made about how to react to a virus like covid 19 as more is learned about it is proof that one has little capacity for reasonable thought. Sometimes digging your heels in and sticking with your initial reaction is unwise, Stroup.
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Post by rusty on Apr 1, 2024 8:06:13 GMT -5
Rallying groups like Antifa and BLM to burn cities, loot and attack police is perfectly accptable though right? I am not saying Trump is perfect and not guilty of some of these things, but when I see the government weaponizing the DOJ to keep someone from running against them it bothers me and should bother everyone else. This is such a "Look...Shiny Object" line of deflection it's hilarious. It's a standard line of very, very weak defense of once again.....he didn't mean that....he ment this. Yeah.....that's right. Sure, I'm buying. (Please note heavy sarcasm) The far right use it to direct the thinking of the trumpkins because it works so effectively. Trump has shown them exactly how the minds of his cultists work.
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Post by rusty on Apr 1, 2024 8:08:59 GMT -5
Yes, it certainly did. It began even before a black man was elected and was fanned by things like trump's continued promotion of the birther lies aimed at further rallying the groups like the proud boys and other militia groups. Trump preys on fears and does his best to find groups of Americans to focus that fear and hatred toward. Can we function as a country when a president believes he is only there to serve himself, his family. and, to a lesser degree those who support him 100% while vilifying all others? Trump will be even worse if he is allowed back in. Rallying groups like Antifa and BLM to burn cities, loot and attack police is perfectly accptable though right? I am not saying Trump is perfect and not guilty of some of these things, but when I see the government weaponizing the DOJ to keep someone from running against them it bothers me and should bother everyone else. Enforcing our laws is weaponization?
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 1, 2024 8:14:24 GMT -5
Maybe you misunderstood me. Are you saying that you believe that Trump hurls insults because he has no defense for his actions?
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Post by moosemike on Apr 1, 2024 8:15:45 GMT -5
This government has thrown everything against the wall to see what they can stick to Trump. It's an aggregious character assassination. If he wins we are going to see a revenge tour carried out. And maybe that's what they deserve. But I'm still voting Kennedy
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Post by jwk on Apr 1, 2024 8:15:59 GMT -5
Maybe you misunderstood me. Are you saying that Trump hurls insults because he has no defense for his actions? No misunderstanding on my part. How about you?
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 1, 2024 8:20:40 GMT -5
No misunderstanding on my part. How about you? Okay. Just surprised that you feel that way as you are usually pro anything Trump.
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Post by rusty on Apr 1, 2024 8:21:03 GMT -5
This government has thrown everything against the wall to see what they can stick to Trump. It's an aggregious character assassination. If he wins we are going to see a revenge tour carried out. And maybe that's what they deserve. But I'm still voting Kennedy Trump has brought all his troubles on himself. The fool is a criminal who believes he can bully his way out of any consequences. He is an enemy of this country who tried to steal an election, see our servicemen as suckers, wants the insurrectionists pardoned.......... lock that creature up. I hope his supports invest heavily in his truth social media company.
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Post by moosemike on Apr 1, 2024 8:21:52 GMT -5
If he wasn't running again they wouldn't care about any of this stuff
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Post by jwk on Apr 1, 2024 8:24:07 GMT -5
No misunderstanding on my part. How about you? Okay. Just surprised that you feel that way as you are usually pro anything Trump. Really - Pro anything? Nope you would be wrong about that.
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 1, 2024 8:30:21 GMT -5
Really - Pro anything? Nope you would be wrong about that. Soemtimes I like being wrong and this is one of those cases. Objectivity is good.
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Post by jwk on Apr 1, 2024 10:18:18 GMT -5
Rallying groups like Antifa and BLM to burn cities, loot and attack police is perfectly accptable though right? I am not saying Trump is perfect and not guilty of some of these things, but when I see the government weaponizing the DOJ to keep someone from running against them it bothers me and should bother everyone else. Enforcing our laws is weaponization? When it is enforced unequally, yes it is?
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Post by jwk on Apr 1, 2024 10:23:35 GMT -5
Really - Pro anything? Nope you would be wrong about that. Soemtimes I like being wrong and this is one of those cases. Objectivity is good. I can see where i come off as a so called "Trumpkin" on this site ,but I just like to point out the hypocrisy and IMO it mostly comes from the left. We can agree to disagree on that. IMO he is the least likely candidate to lead us toward socialism.
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