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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 19, 2024 14:14:33 GMT -5
He was using it as a tactic to get them to pay their fair share. As what I watched in the video. Poker face. Now you answer my question. Can a comment be taken one way and be meant to have another meaning? You don't see that "tactic" as being dangerous?
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Post by stroupy on Mar 19, 2024 14:17:08 GMT -5
Now you answer my question. Can a comment be taken one way and be meant to have another meaning? I already directly answered that quesiton. I said "yes" like 7-8 posts up. Maybe that is why you believe I don't answer your questions. You don't read the posts............ I thought you were answering your own post so I either misunderstood it or it's you giving yourself enough wiggle room. So how do you explain taking his words out of context when he was talking about getting other countries to pay up and was telling everyone how he did it? Or do we just get caught up on the hysteria?
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Post by stroupy on Mar 19, 2024 14:17:51 GMT -5
He was using it as a tactic to get them to pay their fair share. As what I watched in the video. Poker face. Now you answer my question. Can a comment be taken one way and be meant to have another meaning? You don't see that "tactic" as being dangerous? It was a private conversation. Putin invaded anyway so what's your hysteria about?
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Post by rusty on Mar 19, 2024 14:22:18 GMT -5
Your refusal to be informed is why I sometimes say that I believe you are willfully uniformed, stroupy. You have claimed you want the whole story and not quotes taken out of context. The SOTU speech is a perfect chance to give you what you say you want. Instead you count on others to tell you what you should know. You certainly are not alone in that habit. I form my opinions by direct words straight out of the person's mouths. I have hardly watched anything other then the reels I have told you about. I am plenty informed and not everything is a hysteria and threat to democracy and the guy's a dictator and whatever nonsense that you people create the never ending hysterias over. I don't like Biden but the guy (not like he would get any) doesn't deserve hysteria after hysteria. I bring examples of him up to point out the double standards the independent middle types seem to have. Yet when direct quotes are shown to you, you say they are worthless without reading the entire context in which they were used. The "middle types" you refer to seems like they(we) are those who actually do look at all information to form our opinions. Doing otherwise leads one to take the words from those pushing an agenda and having their thoughts become what you believe yours to be.
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Post by stroupy on Mar 19, 2024 14:25:10 GMT -5
I form my opinions by direct words straight out of the person's mouths. I have hardly watched anything other then the reels I have told you about. I am plenty informed and not everything is a hysteria and threat to democracy and the guy's a dictator and whatever nonsense that you people create the never ending hysterias over. I don't like Biden but the guy (not like he would get any) doesn't deserve hysteria after hysteria. I bring examples of him up to point out the double standards the independent middle types seem to have. Yet when direct quotes are shown to you, you say they are worthless without reading the entire context in which they were used. The "middle types" you refer to seems like they(we) are those who actually do look at all information to form our opinions. Doing otherwise leads one to take the words from those pushing an agenda and having their thoughts become what you believe yours to be. Where is this middle guy you keep bringing up? You are the most extreme guy I know of other then one other individual not on this site that I can think of. When qouting someone it's important to know what's being talked about before you cherry pick a comment that you can use to help your argument the way you people constantly do.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 19, 2024 14:28:18 GMT -5
So how do you explain taking his words out of context when he was talking about getting other countries to pay up and was telling everyone how he did it? I can't explain it because we disagree on the premise. You believe those words(enourage Putin to do whatever the hell he wanted) were taken out of context. I do not believe they were taken out of context. I have no hysteria about it. I believe the words were dangerous but I an a optimistic thinker so hopefully cooler heads prevail.
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Post by rusty on Mar 19, 2024 14:31:27 GMT -5
Given your acceptance of what others have chosen to show you of the SOTU speech, your answer is ridiculous and makes my point clearly. You do exactly what you accuse others of doing. And there is no middle when it comes to the treasonous trump and those who support any man like him being put back in the oval office. Yes, even Biden is much better and far less dangerous to this country and the world.
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Post by stroupy on Mar 19, 2024 14:36:27 GMT -5
Show me where I am creating a hysteria. I said Biden's eyes appeared abnormally dark, he stumbled his words and he looked high as a kite and I had that opinion 4 years ago about him. He looked even worse during that address when he didn't know where he was going after the speech. As for the dangerous crap and this and that it's just far left hysteria you repeat and you hide under the name Republican.
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Post by rusty on Mar 19, 2024 14:49:03 GMT -5
He was much clearer in his speaking than trump ever is. Maybe he had a couple red bulls before the speech. I know I waited until the next morning to watch the entire speech so I could get to sleep earlier that night. The wackiest part of the whole thing was that crazy republican broad that gave the purposely misleading republican reply.
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Post by davet on Mar 19, 2024 14:56:03 GMT -5
So in your opinion, what did Trump mean when he said he "would encourage Putin to so whatever the hell he wanted to" with NATO countries? That gets to the heart of the issue. He was using it as a tactic to get them to pay their fair share. As what I watched in the video. Poker face. Now you answer my question. Can a comment be taken one way and be meant to have another meaning? So....lemme get this right. You WILL postulate concerning what Trump "ment" with his Putin comment....but you won't postulate on what you think Trump was thinking from 1:30 to 4:00, sitting in the Oval office, watching Fox news while the Capitol was being breeched, people were dying, and Trump sent no tweet with the word "STOP". I see. I see how that works.
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Post by stroupy on Mar 19, 2024 15:02:15 GMT -5
He was using it as a tactic to get them to pay their fair share. As what I watched in the video. Poker face. Now you answer my question. Can a comment be taken one way and be meant to have another meaning? So....lemme get this right. You WILL postulate concerning what Trump "ment" with his Putin comment....but you won't postulate on what you think Trump was thinking from 1:30 to 4:00, sitting in the Oval office, watching Fox news while the Capitol was being breeched, people were dying, and Trump sent no tweet with the word "STOP". I see. I see how that works. It's probably because your question leads to speculation which would never hold any water in a court case a legit one that is. I was able to watch the video of his comments and make my assessment on it. See I have something to go off of on one hand and I have you asking a question that leads to no where. It's amazing how the encourage Putin comment gets brought up to create a hysteria and the I want people to stop dying gets swept under the rug with you people. That's not the narrative you want to run though is it?
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Post by davet on Mar 19, 2024 15:10:31 GMT -5
So....lemme get this right. You WILL postulate concerning what Trump "ment" with his Putin comment....but you won't postulate on what you think Trump was thinking from 1:30 to 4:00, sitting in the Oval office, watching Fox news while the Capitol was being breeched, people were dying, and Trump sent no tweet with the word "STOP". I see. I see how that works. It's probably because your question leads to speculation which would never hold any water in a court case a legit one that is. I was able to watch the video of his comments and make my assessment on it. See I have something to go off of on one hand and I have you asking a question that leads to no where. It's amazing how the encourage Putin comment gets brought up to create a hysteria and the I want people to stop dying gets swept under the rug with you people. That's not the narrative you want to run though is it? ---You have done nothing more than speculate what the meaning behind Trump's Putin statement. You can dress it up with different words, but it's the same thing. ---I'm not the one who brought up the Putin comment. I just read your speculative response to it and thought perhaps you just have "selective" postulation. ---Who said anything about "holding up in court"? What does that have to do with my question?
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Post by stroupy on Mar 19, 2024 15:17:50 GMT -5
It's probably because your question leads to speculation which would never hold any water in a court case a legit one that is. I was able to watch the video of his comments and make my assessment on it. See I have something to go off of on one hand and I have you asking a question that leads to no where. It's amazing how the encourage Putin comment gets brought up to create a hysteria and the I want people to stop dying gets swept under the rug with you people. That's not the narrative you want to run though is it? ---You have done nothing more than speculate what the meaning behind Trump's Putin statement. You can dress it up with different words, but it's the same thing. ---I'm not the one who brought up the Putin comment. I just read your speculative response to it and thought perhaps you just have "selective" postulation. ---Who said anything about "holding up in court"? What does that have to do with my question? I have video evidence to go off of. Not your supposed logic to what Trump was doing behind closed doors. That's the difference in the two analogies.
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Post by davet on Mar 19, 2024 15:20:41 GMT -5
---You have done nothing more than speculate what the meaning behind Trump's Putin statement. You can dress it up with different words, but it's the same thing. ---I'm not the one who brought up the Putin comment. I just read your speculative response to it and thought perhaps you just have "selective" postulation. ---Who said anything about "holding up in court"? What does that have to do with my question? I have video evidence to go off of. Not your supposed logic to what Trump was doing behind closed doors. That's the difference in the two analogies. You have video of Trump making a statement, and you then postulate on what his meaning was. What was his meaning when he said there will be a bloodbath if he lose's the election? You know Trump sat in the Oval office as I stated. You know he had his phone to tweet. He watched the riot occur. But he did nothing. Postulate on what his thoughts were.
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Post by stroupy on Mar 19, 2024 15:25:27 GMT -5
I have video evidence to go off of. Not your supposed logic to what Trump was doing behind closed doors. That's the difference in the two analogies. You have video of Trump making a statement, and you then postulate on what his meaning was. What was his meaning when he said there will be a bloodbath if he lose's the election? You know Trump sat in the Oval office as I stated. You know he had his phone to tweet. He watched the riot occur. But he did nothing. Postulate on what his thoughts were. As an accountant you know bloodbath has been used as an economical term for a lot of years. He was discussing the auto industry he mentioned it before and after bloodbath. It's another hysteria you guys dredged up. You never bring up anything he says that can be deemed on a positive note.
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Post by davet on Mar 19, 2024 15:27:43 GMT -5
You have video of Trump making a statement, and you then postulate on what his meaning was. What was his meaning when he said there will be a bloodbath if he lose's the election? You know Trump sat in the Oval office as I stated. You know he had his phone to tweet. He watched the riot occur. But he did nothing. Postulate on what his thoughts were. As an accountant you know bloodbath has been used as an economical term for a lot of years. He was discussing the auto industry he mentioned it before and after bloodbath. It's another hysteria you guys dredged up. You never bring up anything he says that can be deemed on a positive note. Well, that's not true. It's just that he makes so many blundering statements without thought that it's sort of easy pickings.
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Post by stroupy on Mar 19, 2024 15:30:33 GMT -5
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Post by davet on Mar 19, 2024 15:34:18 GMT -5
You are still postulating on what Trumps meaning was. Trump did not clarify it. YOU are guessing.
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Post by stroupy on Mar 19, 2024 15:36:13 GMT -5
You are still postulating on what Trumps meaning was. Trump did not clarify it. YOU are guessing. Not guessing I think the proper term is benefit of doubt. How do you go from I want people to stop dying to bloodbath meaning what you want? Im not guessing you are guessing.
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Post by davet on Mar 19, 2024 15:39:51 GMT -5
OMG.....still using words to dance around the issue.
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