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Post by acorn20 on Mar 23, 2024 10:17:02 GMT -5
I don't know if I could hunt in a situation like that. I took a shot at a large doe with my crossbow and hit a twig about 1/4 inch in diameter and that bolt took off at a tangent to who knows where. It would have to be a large estate for me to be comfortable. My cousin hunts horse farms down around West Chester and doesn't have the close proximity to other houses.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 23, 2024 10:59:46 GMT -5
I don't know if I could hunt in a situation like that. I took a shot at a large doe with my crossbow and hit a twig about 1/4 inch in diameter and that bolt took off at a tangent to who knows where. It would have to be a large estate for me to be comfortable. My cousin hunts horse farms down around West Chester and doesn't have the close proximity to other houses. It is gonna be tight hunting. Some of the properties are several acres of woods. Others are basically 1-3 acres of open ground then the next neighbor, next neighbor etc.... |
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Post by davet on Mar 24, 2024 13:32:34 GMT -5
I was searching through my 'puter for something and came across this pic I took at my daughters. This is out the front window.  |
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Post by dougl on Mar 25, 2024 13:17:03 GMT -5
Those deer need to be shot but it's a public service,not a hunt.I lived it for years.In Treasuere lake,there are 2000 houses in the residential area with 3500 acres of undeloped land surrounding it.The deer on the undeveloped land were as wild as any but in the residential areas,they're tame.Eventually they start to catch on but they're tame.Hunters are allowed to hunt small "parklets"in and around the residential areas.In TL for instance,There's probably less than 30 acres of "parklets" but that's where 80% of the deer are killed.Wind is no concern because there's human scent in the air at all times.
There's nothing wrong with hunting these deer as they need to be killed.However,don't spin it and act like it's something that it isn't.It's easy.They just darted and collared 40 deer in TL for a covid study.They simply walked up to them and shot them in the ass with a dart.
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Post by rusty on Mar 25, 2024 13:25:23 GMT -5
I like venison enough that I would certainly take advantage of taking a few if it was convenient enough. I would not hunt doe if it were not for the meat.
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Post by dougl on Mar 25, 2024 14:31:49 GMT -5
I like venison enough that it's still pretty easy to shoot plenty of wild doe.I have nothing against it and I spearheaded the effort to show that huntres have value.Still,it wasn't something I felt like doing so I never hunted any of the residential deer.What soured me was seeing grown men fight over who could hunt these deer.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 26, 2024 7:00:30 GMT -5
However,don't spin it and act like it's something that it isn't.It's easy.They just darted and collared 40 deer in TL for a covid study.They simply walked up to them and shot them in the ass with a dart. Most wildlife professionals will tell you than hunting is one of the most inefficient ways to take deer where deer need to be culled. In some cases, it is probably easy. In many cases it is not, which is why they often call in sharpshooters. Remember, actually getitng a arrow into a animal is just one aspect of many that a hunter has to consider when hunting areas where a super high level of decretion is necessary. I have passed dozens of shots on deer due to other circumstances when hunting around Pittsburgh. Many of those circumstances are not present on 3000 acres in the middle of public land. I don't know the Treasure Lake particulars. Could the darters walk onto properties and retrieve a deer from any properties were they layed down? Recovering deer from anywhere or even shooting them around certain areas is not an included option on this hunt if there is any chance they may head one way or the other. Basically, where the deer tend to hang out is often not necessarily where one can actually hunt and get arrows into them. |
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Post by dougl on Mar 26, 2024 7:58:27 GMT -5
Believe me,it is inefficient,especially when you have a bunch of wannabe youtubers fighting over who gets to shoot the tame deer with their crossbows.Regardless,it's still easy and that's fine.People just lose credability when they try to claim that it's something that it isn't.
They didn't dart the deer in people's yards,except in instances where people gave them permission.They darted them on undeveloped land,golf courses and parklets.They either drove right up to them or got out and walked up to them.It's not hunting Gene.It's population control.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 26, 2024 8:25:14 GMT -5
It's not hunting Gene.It's population control. I guess it depends on what your definition of hunting is. If you get drawn for a property where the deer and laying in the yard and you can shoot from the porch, it wil be pretty easy and population control. If you get drawn for a property where the deer are usuually on the nighbors and you have to scout, place a blind or stand, play the right wind, sit in a tree for 8 hours with no guarantee for a shot, it fills every defintion of hunting quite nicely. Sorry that deosn't fit your typical narrative and broad brush applicaitons. |
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Post by stroupy on Mar 26, 2024 8:25:27 GMT -5
I wouldn't be able to hunt in a area that the deer are half tame. There would be no enjoyment out of it and it would be like shooting the neighbors dog.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 26, 2024 8:32:17 GMT -5
I wouldn't be able to hunt in a area that the deer are half tame. There would be no enjoyment out of it and it would be like shooting the neighbors dog. Where the deer are standing to be shot eating someone petunias, I would not find any joy in it either. It is deer management and someone has to do it. It seems that there is a misconception that everyone that participates in somehow doing it for hero shots, the thrill of the kill, or joy. I am sure some do, but thankfully there are people willing to do it for the good of the herd and habitat. |
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Post by stroupy on Mar 26, 2024 8:52:01 GMT -5
I wouldn't be able to hunt in a area that the deer are half tame. There would be no enjoyment out of it and it would be like shooting the neighbors dog. Where the deer are standing to be shot eating someone petunias, I would not find any joy in it either. It is deer management and someone has to do it. It seems that there is a misconception that everyone that participates in somehow doing it for hero shots, the thrill of the kill, or joy. I am sure some do, but thankfully there are people willing to do it for the good of the herd and habitat. I'm just saying I couldn't do it and if there are people that can someone has to do it. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 26, 2024 9:27:38 GMT -5
I'm just saying I couldn't do it and if there are people that can someone has to do it. Understood. They have been after me for quite some time to help out. Just a lot of rules to follow which causes me pause, but I am goona give it a shot. |
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Post by dougl on Mar 26, 2024 9:33:33 GMT -5
I wouldn't be able to hunt in a area that the deer are half tame. There would be no enjoyment out of it and it would be like shooting the neighbors dog. Where the deer are standing to be shot eating someone petunias, I would not find any joy in it either. It is deer management and someone has to do it. It seems that there is a misconception that everyone that participates in somehow doing it for hero shots, the thrill of the kill, or joy. I am sure some do, but thankfully there are people willing to do it for the good of the herd and habitat. Well Gene,I have a lot of experience with this and I can assure you that it brings out the worst in people. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 26, 2024 9:45:33 GMT -5
Well Gene,I have a lot of experience with this and I can assure you that it brings out the worst in people. I guess I will see. Not sure how much I wil be around other guys, though. We are spread out through an entire borough. |
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Post by dougl on Mar 26, 2024 10:07:36 GMT -5
When we started this,I spoke with a a guy named Joe several times.He ran the program in and around Pitsburgh for quite a while.Some of the things we implemeneted I got from him but our hunt was much less restrictive because of the amount of undeveloped land.It was good up until we got approval to hunt these parklets.The committee members,which I was a part of,essentially kept them for themselves and their buddies.I said if it ever turned into a private hunting club I was out.That's what happened so I bailed on the committee.These guys knew nothing about the habitat or game management.They just wanted as many easy targets as they could get.Eventually,they cut the number of hunters down to 115 from 200.Other guys started complaining about the favoritism hunting the tame deer so they came up with a point and draw system for hunting them.Guy's check deer in that were shot outside the area to get points and actually retag deer others guys have shot so they can kill a buck.There's easily over 100 dpsm in there and guys complain that there's no deer.They wound dozens that never get reported and haven't made a dent in the population.It was supposed to be an evolving program to kill as many deer as possible but it turned into a private hunting club for grown men who want as many easy targets as possible.I call them out publically on a regular basis so I stopped getting Christmas cards several years ago.
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Post by davet on Mar 26, 2024 10:43:40 GMT -5
If the deer is eating my petunias I got no issue shooting 'em. Call it culling, hunting, meat production or anything else. Deer overpopulation in the city is a problem. Hunters in tree stands is not going to remove enough to make a dent.
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Post by rusty on Mar 27, 2024 6:58:53 GMT -5
Does a deer suffer from being poisoned more than a rat would? I am NOT advocating for allowing deer to suffer from being poisoned, but it does make me kinda feel bad for rats and mice. A midwest farmer once told me he mixes grain. mountain dew and fly poison to kill 'coons. Sounds cruel and dangerous to me.
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Post by davet on Mar 27, 2024 9:09:39 GMT -5
Does a deer suffer from being poisoned more than a rat would? I am NOT advocating for allowing deer to suffer from being poisoned, but it does make me kinda feel bad for rats and mice. A midwest farmer once told me he mixes grain. mountain dew and fly poison to kill 'coons. Sounds cruel and dangerous to me. I would hate to see anything poisoned. With the exception of rats and mice that is. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 27, 2024 10:57:09 GMT -5
Does a deer suffer from being poisoned more than a rat would? I am NOT advocating for allowing deer to suffer from being poisoned, but it does make me kinda feel bad for rats and mice. A midwest farmer once told me he mixes grain. mountain dew and fly poison to kill 'coons. Sounds cruel and dangerous to me. I would imagine any poisoning isn't pleasant. HUmans put diiferent values on wildlife and different ethical standards. Most have no problem poisoning a rat, but a squirrel is a different story even though they are basically the same. Some farmers puposely gut shoot deer in their fields so they run off and die in the woods so they don't have to clean up the carcasses. Horrible death for them. |
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Post by fleroo on Mar 27, 2024 12:35:48 GMT -5
A person can already get SIX (6) antlerless tags + 1 Antlered. How hard is it to save one or two for any "city hunt" they may be geared up over ?
I am COMPLETELY against any more tags. It just becomes hoggish at some point. Kill just to kill. Got an urban deer problem, let the communities work with PGC to handle it.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 27, 2024 16:30:05 GMT -5
A person can already get SIX (6) antlerless tags + 1 Antlered. How hard is it to save one or two for any "city hunt" they may be geared up over ? It isn't hard to save two tags. The problem is with those that actually have hard to get access where many deer need killed, they do not have the number of tags they could use to help not only homeowners, but boros, citys and townships. There are areas were there are way too many deer and way too few hunters with tags in their pockets. Why take hunters out of the equation when most are willing to do it on their dime? Otherwise, taxpayers are paying for deer removal. |
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Post by fleroo on Mar 28, 2024 7:44:53 GMT -5
I didn't say take the hunters out of the equation. Although I'm fairly certain hunters have an underlying reason, and are champing at the bit to be one of the select folks to be chosen to hunt in any Pgh suburb. That reason wouldn't be to help with a local urban deer population out of the goodness of their heart. They can kill 6 antlerless deer easily if worth their salt, in their locale, away from any "fray" easy enough. Anecdotal, but 98.45% of them, would want to get that mandatory doe harvested and out of the way, then target what they really are there for.  Local Gov't and PGC can figure out how to remove the "producers", the females. Don't need "extra tags" to do that. Hunters can also be part of that equation. But as mentioned in prior posts, hunting behind backyard pavilions and swing-sets, can present challenges of their own when dealing with the public. But, it sure it will provide plenty of fodder for the local Ch.2, 4, and 11's in the broadcasting market. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Apr 4, 2024 19:05:47 GMT -5
Went to the shooting proficiency test this evening. Three guys there shooting at a 3D deer target at unknown ranges. I guess the farthest target was about 26-27 yards. Each shooter had to put 3 consecutive arrows into the kill zone. 2 were shooting compounds and myself a crossbow. I passed. One of the compound guys was a little high on his last shot so has to come back to re-shoot again.
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Post by davet on Apr 5, 2024 5:39:48 GMT -5
Even I take my rangefinder to confirm tree distances out to 40yds. They don’t let you use a rangefinder?
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Local Gov't and PGC can figure out how to remove the "producers", the females. Don't need "extra tags" to do that. Hunters can also be part of that equation. But as mentioned in prior posts, hunting behind backyard pavilions and swing-sets, can present challenges of their own when dealing with the public. But, it sure it will provide plenty of fodder for the local Ch.2, 4, and 11's in the broadcasting market.