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Post by fleroo on Mar 17, 2021 12:42:52 GMT -5
With the ever-evolving advances in mechanical bows, is it time the PGC re-think the 50 yard safety zone for archery ? 50 yards anymore, is a chip.
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Post by davet on Mar 17, 2021 12:46:45 GMT -5
With the ever-evolving advances in mechanical bows, is it time the PGC re-think the 50 yard safety zone for archery ? 50 yards anymore, is a chip. 50 yards on a CLEAR shot is a chip. Stick one tiny branch in the way and that’s something very different. |
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Post by fleroo on Mar 17, 2021 12:58:30 GMT -5
Ya. When I say "chip", I mean easily achieved with a modern bow while still flying at a lethal trajectory. The nature of a 50 yard S Zone, implies you can legally loose an arrow in congregated housing zones. I'm thinking that's not enough nowadays. I'd also guess many x-bowers are not hinting while elevated, thus. increasing potential arrow travel. Especially if unleashing a "flyer".
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 17, 2021 13:00:41 GMT -5
With the ever-evolving advances in mechanical bows, is it time the PGC re-think the 50 yard safety zone for archery ? 50 yards anymore, is a chip. It ain't a chip. Especially on live animals in the woods. Hell, I missed one at 15 yards last year. |
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Post by westfieldjoe on Mar 17, 2021 13:07:47 GMT -5
They can have the 50 yards. I don't want lip about running a lawn mower or leaf blower.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 17, 2021 13:24:13 GMT -5
They can have the 50 yards. I don't want lip about running a lawn mower or leaf blower. True story. Early January last year. Cold. Deer are moving. I climbed into a tree outside of Pittsburgh to archery hunt. I can see 7 houses from the stand and am only 62 yards from the closest one. All of these cars start pulling into one of the driveways and young adults start piling out. Next thing you know the radio kicks on, the burn barrel is stuffed and the party is on. Fire. Hooting and hollering. I didn't see any deer that afternoon, lol. |
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Post by bake545 on Mar 17, 2021 13:40:07 GMT -5
With the ever-evolving advances in mechanical bows, is it time the PGC re-think the 50 yard safety zone for archery ? 50 yards anymore, is a chip. Seems to be a solution in search of a problem, you'd do well in government lol. |
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Post by fleroo on Mar 17, 2021 14:59:46 GMT -5
With the ever-evolving advances in mechanical bows, is it time the PGC re-think the 50 yard safety zone for archery ? 50 yards anymore, is a chip. Seems to be a solution in search of a problem, you'd do well in government lol. I thought it was a valid question, being the existing distance has been a reg for quite a while, and well prior to some very modern upgrade to equipment ? A "flyer" or two, sticking out of a persons vinyl siding. Or worse yet, a person, and I think some will put some thought into it. But, thanks for the well thought-out response.  |
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Post by davet on Mar 18, 2021 5:52:25 GMT -5
Oh no....another "They shot a hole in my Barn" deals.
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Post by bake545 on Mar 18, 2021 6:59:12 GMT -5
Seems to be a solution in search of a problem, you'd do well in government lol. I thought it was a valid question, being the existing distance has been a reg for quite a while, and well prior to some very modern upgrade to equipment ? A "flyer" or two, sticking out of a persons vinyl siding. Or worse yet, a person, and I think some will put some thought into it. But, thanks for the well thought-out response. I don't understand people who live in fear of the tiniest of danger they've imagined in their heads. Show me examples of this happening, and not just one or two really random acts, and maybe you'd need to adjust the law. |
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 18, 2021 7:11:56 GMT -5
I don't understand people who live in fear of the tiniest of danger they've imagined in their heads. Show me examples of this happening, and not just one or two really random acts, and maybe you'd need to adjust the law. I don't think he is living in fear, but as a rifle deer hunter just explores every angle possible to take punches at the current archery season structures and weapons used in them. Majority of archery hunters are up in stands shooting down as well. Majority of rifle deer hunters are on the ground. |
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Post by davet on Mar 18, 2021 7:16:01 GMT -5
A "standard" 30-30 cartridge can fire a bullet over 1,000 yards. Now....it's a "rainbow" trajectory.
With the "I fear" thinking, there should be a two mile safety zone around buildings, creeks (could be a fisher-person) roads (never know who's traveling by) walking paths, deer paths, groundhog paths and such.
With that.....next season we will see 750,000 hunters in a one square mile area of Clinton county.
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Post by fleroo on Mar 18, 2021 8:03:38 GMT -5
My oh my. Testy.
When have I ever commented about a type of weapon used in archery, and whether it should be used or not ? I DID comment on how they have really advanced technology-wise. Oh and, sure, I do believe and have commented on archery getting all the perks when it comes to season expansion, DUH ! It's obvious. But it's irrelevant to my thread topic, "Safety Zone". Stay on topic, Ridge. A simple explanation of you being good with the 50 yards as is would suffice.
And to add. I think you "spun" my comment on archers hunting elevated. Of course most compound hunters are elevated. My guess, MOST x-bowers are on the ground. Which to my point, increases the chance of the bolt travelling.
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 18, 2021 9:31:59 GMT -5
My guess, MOST x-bowers are on the ground. Maybe I came across a bit strong. Didn't mean too. Just get tired of folks that primarily rifle hunt constantly lamenting archery when rifle has seen big increases in opportunity over the years as well and success rates are basically unchanged from years past. Anecdotally, I would say that of all of the people that I know well enough to know how they hunt, 80% hunt deer like every other archery hunter. From a tree. And I know a lot. You also said archery safety zone, so that would apply to all of those hunting in archery. Including compounds and traditional gear. |
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Post by fleroo on Mar 18, 2021 12:10:41 GMT -5
Naaaa. Not "strong". Just a couple of comments that were non-germane to the Subject line, or my first post.
...... That's a wanker comment.
...... And that's a follow-up "pile on" wanker comment.
There's are reason nobody participates on this fairly horrible board. There's a reason folks join and don't even make a first post. There's a reason the only traffic this board sees, is on divisive "Political" related threads. There's a reason why members left when the site owner tried to put a harness on the political, divisive, cancerous threads. There's a reason why so many have taken their balls and ran home (a few even returned). There's a reason why a g'damned IGUANA forum garners more traffic than any other forum on a PA Sportsman site.
BUT.... if yinz want to act like a wanker, have at it.
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Post by bake545 on Mar 19, 2021 7:09:19 GMT -5
...... That's a wanker comment. It's not a wanker comment, show examples of the current safety zones being a problem and maybe then it would be a wanker comment but you can't. |
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Post by fleroo on Mar 19, 2021 7:54:06 GMT -5
Wanker comment. I asked a valid question. You acted like a D!ck.
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Post by robinpa on Mar 19, 2021 8:54:01 GMT -5
Not anti archery at all , but I have to agree with Ferro , it might be time to revisit the 50yd archery safety zone law.t
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Post by ridgecommander on Mar 19, 2021 9:43:25 GMT -5
Not anti archery at all , but I have to agree with Ferro , it might be time to revisit the 50yd archery safety zone law.t What issue has arisen that would warrant a re-visit? |
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Post by timberdoodle on Mar 19, 2021 10:25:03 GMT -5
were crossbows legal when the 50 yard law was put in place for the safety zone? That is the issue has arisen.
Makes no diff to me, I have safety zone signs up @ 150 yards... and it would take an extreme set of circumstances to ever enforce those.
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Post by buzz on Mar 19, 2021 10:52:46 GMT -5
Bow's have certainly changed over the years.
500 yards
If you don't care about hitting a target, a powerful modern crossbow can shoot as far as 500 yards. If you want to hunt, up to 80 yards is possible for a very skilled shooter, however you should stick to a maximum of 60 yards, and preferably much less than that (30-35) if you are a beginner.
How Far Can You Shoot a Crossbow - Effective Hunting ...www.bestcrossbowsource.com › how-far-can-you-shoot-a...
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Post by davet on Mar 19, 2021 11:42:06 GMT -5
Look.....I think 99% of hunters have safety on their minds when they hunt. We have a 150 yard rifle safety zone and bullets have no problem going much farther than that.
We have very few "bullet" issues. So why would we suddenly have "arrow issues" when the distance and accuracy of new bows and crossbows is now maybe 100 yards at best.....under the best circumstances.
I don't get the promotion of a longer safety zone for arrow flingers.
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Post by fleroo on Mar 19, 2021 13:50:27 GMT -5
I get that. My initial post made reference to the advancements of the MECHANICAL bows since the 50 yd SZ reg was implemented. As some others suggested, the thread has NOTHING to do with me being ass-hurt about bow opportunities compared to other weapon opportunity.
I would say MOST compound archers DO hunt elevated. I would also say that most x-bow archers DO NOT hunt elevated. X-bows put the very young, many females, and definitely many older folks in the archery game. To think the majority of X-Bowers are climbing to elevated stands, I believe is incorrect. That said, these modern bows can carry flat trajectory a long way. Being 50 yards from congested areas TO ME, seems a bit close nowadays. Thus the impetus of me starting the thread... much to the chagrin of some others.
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Post by davet on Mar 19, 2021 14:44:25 GMT -5
As taught in the hunting license class's......don't just know your target.....know what is beyond your target.
If they are gonna screw up with a crossbow....it's likely they are gonna screw up with a rifle.
But the stat's on rifles don't appear to be horrible.....bad...or even "Gheezz".
Nor do the stat's of arrows.
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Post by bobmontcotradarcher on Mar 25, 2021 13:35:50 GMT -5
With the ever-evolving advances in mechanical bows, is it time the PGC re-think the 50 yard safety zone for archery ? 50 yards anymore, is a chip. That's a good question, and it may wind up being another one of those unintended consequences bowhunters were warning us about. Maybe what is needed is that in between 150 yards & 50 yards, the crossbow & compound hunters must hunt from an elevated stand with a minimum height of 15" off the ground so that almost all shots will be on a downward trajectory? Because of any possible unintended consequences due to technology, maybe it's time to separate stickbows from compounds & crossbows. Have a separate tag for Traditional Bows. Allow the stickbow hunter to continue hunting the 50 yard safety zone any way they want. Allow the stickbow hunters to hunt everyday from the beginning of September through the end of February with no off days, afterall, we're low impact. |
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